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Smelling pistakes

In addition to bone-deep burn scars on my left hand I now also have C7 radiculopathy, so my typing is particularly erratic right now. I have a spellcheck plugin but it can't handle larger text blocks. You're welcome to fix spelling errors without pinging me, but please don't change British to American spelling or indeed vice-versa.

October harvest

Dona nobis pacem

music today, - enchanting, said a critic about the Mendelssohn that I heard on 3 October, - this video is older, and the YT in the article comes with a Bach encore as she played for us. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:55, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

16 October memories less musical, moar black&white, a great conductor, a great editor, both appreciated too little --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:03, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

I added a bit more background behind the apples. On ANI, you said "needs to stop" and I asked "how?" --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:20, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

Bus Stop

Arguing with that user is putting your hand in a fan. They've shown us who they are.--Jorm (talk) 19:30, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

Cool story, Bro. --Guy Macon (talk) 00:13, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

I just... don't have words anymore. --Floquenbeam (talk) 20:26, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

I was soooo tempted to comment, but now that I have discovered that posting to Jimbo's talk page disqualifies you in an RfA, I didn't want to find out what other sanctions doing something so vile will trigger. --Guy Macon (talk) 00:13, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

WP:NOTFORUM

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

I noticed that you are using the Talk page to various articles as a forum for your personal opinion with no contribution and not related to the article at all. It is a disgrace for a admin that is active here for >15 years to do this. Please improve your behaviour, Thank you. On a side note: Think about if you should moderate articles where you are obviously biased in the first place, your history is full of very questionable decisions. Maybe ask other admins who are not biased to handle this, you are just human after all and your political bias is shining through --Judahclipt (talk) 18:23, 17 October 2020 (UTC) — Judahclipt (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

Clearly not a new editor, since their first edit was to revert your talk page post with the no forum link. Of course, your post... Doug Weller talk 18:40, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

Maybe this IP. Doug Weller talk 18:41, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for this assumption. But if its true or not doesn't change anything about the content of the message. I think it is indisputable that the revert was justified and necessary. It was a personal plitical opinion forum post unrelated to the article and doesn't belong on a talk page of that article. Please note that WP:NOFORUM applies to admins too, thank you. This is espiecially important because in the article where JzG posted his political blog posts, other admins deleted based on WP:NOFORUM (just not JzGs forum post, for whatever reason). --Judahclipt (talk) 18:48, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

Judahclipt, I see you accidentally removed my comment along witht he obvious trolling from the IP, but I don't mind as it was a musing and probably not that relevant to actual content. Enjoy your Misplaced Pages career, and I hope the CheckUsers don't spoil your day too badly. Guy (help! - typo?) 19:41, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for that answer, however it is disappointing to see that you aren't even admitting your misbehaviour. A simple "sorry, i forgot, i will try to not make political forum posts on talk pages anymore" could have been so easy. Especially on a Talk page that has a nice yellow header reminding you of WP:NOTFORUM and other admins being active on said page deleting based on it. Let me quote your post again that is somehow relevant to an article talk page:

Trump knows that if he loses, he's screwed. Jail or not, he's bankrupt. Republicans are distancing themselves. Barr has reached a point where even he won't go further (there is a qualitative difference between nobbling a prosecution as a favor and starting one for political advantage). The only people still loyal to him are the original Trump campaign clown bus, less the ones who have gone to jail.,

Astonishing that someone who is 15y admin would make such political blog posts and surprising that no other admin who is enforcing WP:NOTFORUM takes action and that a new user has to remind you. btw. im fine if you want one of your friends to check my IP, if this helps you feel save and avoids possible conspiracy theories from you or Doug, so be it. Sorry if you feel attacked by getting reminded about basic wikipedia rules. --Judahclipt (talk) 20:24, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

Ah, so you didn't understand the relevance. My bad, should have explained it better, but you could have asked.

The personality cult of Trump might survive him being jailed, but it won't survive him being broke. The unholy alliance of QAnon and other mad cultists, and foreign influence operators seeking to create an America open to corruption, know that they won't get the same kind of traction with Ted Cruz or Marco Rubio. Trump is I think the only significant figure in US politics who's argued for relaxation of laws to prevent foreign bribery by US businesses. So the stakes are incredibly high, and when the stakes are high outside, Misplaced Pages always feels the fallout. If the Biden conspiracy theory is going to get any serious traction it has to be reflected as fact, rather than as a conspiracy theory, in mainstream sources, before it unravels. And that's why we're seeing disruption at that page and others that are related.

Now we're both on the same page you can go back to your original account. Unless you're blocked? Guy (help! - typo?) 20:56, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

Must ask

I must ask you, why didn’t you back me up at the noticeboard? You said you’d support letting me edit talk pages. That may have been my only chance for weeks to get any editing privileges back. I would just like you to explain to me why you did not back me up (and openly oppose) when I went for an unban. Maybe it’s something we can work out so that next time I try you will advocate for me and not against me. Thanks Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 07:46, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

I said I would support a self-aware appeal to reduce the scope. What you posted was... not that. Guy (help! - typo?) 09:38, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

Understood. So, when I appeal again, what would I have to say to make you support the lowered ban? Would this do?

“I understand that in my previous edits, I added independent and unreliable sources. I have reviewed the Misplaced Pages pages on reliability and independence and promise not to add any of these types of sources again. If I am ever unsure again, I will make sure I ask at the talk page and gain consensus before adding information on living persons.”

Would you support this? Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 19:46, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

Lima Bean Farmer, you need to say what you would do differently. That might include checking at RSN when looking at a source, for example. Guy (help! - typo?) 20:19, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

Good point! Let me try this again:

“I understand that in my previous edits, I added independent and unreliable sources. I have reviewed the Misplaced Pages pages on reliability and independence and promise not to add any of these types of sources again. Before adding any information (to mainspace or talk pages), I will first check wikipedia:RSPSOURCES to see the reliability of the source. For any large additions, I will do this and gain consensus on the talk page before adding any sources that go with more than a couple of names. If I am ever unsure again, I will make sure I ask at the talk page and gain consensus before adding information on living persons.”

Is this better? Thank you Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 20:30, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

Strange otherworldly phenomenon at WP:JIMBOTALK

Am I misinterpreting the diffs or did Atsme modify Bus stop's comment in the course of this diff to remove wording which Bus stop then re-inserted in this subsequent response to you? Perhaps telepathy or extraterrestrials are involved. --‿Ꞅtruthious 𝔹andersnatch ͡ |℡| 11:21, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

That's definitely curious. 2601:2C0:C300:B7:2CFA:3DA8:CE80:C645 (talk) 16:13, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

This is obviously a case of ""timefoolery" as documented in this completely reliable source: --Guy Macon (talk) 16:49, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

@Guy Macon: I'm not sure what you mean by "timefoolery"? I thought you meant that maybe they were mixing multiple edits into the link so I checked and no, it's Atsme removing that comment and adding other things all in one go, with Bus Stop re-adding the wording on reply to JzG.

• 20:52, 17 October 2020‎ Bus stop talk contribs‎ 178,364 bytes +263‎ →‎Some specific cases undo
• 21:17, 17 October 2020‎ Atsme talk contribs‎ 180,748 bytes +2,384‎ →‎Some specific cases: add Jimbo quotes undo
• 21:23, 17 October 2020‎ JzG talk contribs‎ 180,986 bytes +238‎ →‎Some specific cases: Replying to Bus stop (using reply-link) undo
• 21:43, 17 October 2020‎ Bus stop talk contribs‎ 181,574 bytes +588‎ →‎Why I am quitting Misplaced Pages after 16 years undo

There are no edits in between. 2601:2C0:C300:B7:2CFA:3DA8:CE80:C645 (talk) 17:00, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

"Timefoolery" refers to the source I linked to, where America's Most Trusted News Source says "a singing jewel will descend from the heavens and mystically bless you with fabulous space-time powers. We're not 100 percent sure why this happens, but it does. And as a result, the Cracked editorial board has been forced to place a strict ban on what we colloquially call 'timefoolery' (or 'sportsalmanacking'). In other words, all contributors are forbidden from using their Time-Lord abilities to assist in the research or writing of articles. Otherwise, our site would just be a laundry list of tomorrow's lotto numbers and excerpts from William Shakespeare's upcoming play. (Spoiler alert: He was Thomas Pynchon all along!)"

In case you missed it, we are all joking about something that appears at first glance to require time travel. Carefully explaining that time-travel was not actually involved rather spoils the joke.

BTW, did you click on the "Citation Needed" links above, or did you, like most people, assume without checking that you know what they link to? --Guy Macon (talk) 17:29, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

To be explicit, the original joke was that these edits kinda sorta make it look like Bus stop is a sock of Atsme or vice-versa, or perhaps there are two users but they are participating in some sort of gestalt hive mind, rather than time travel; JzG has had to evict some socks already in the course of recent JIMBOTALK discussions. But I was amused to learn of the term "timefoolery" and that is an amusing Cracked article.If that is sockpuppetry, though, that is some major long-haul stuff, given that the Atsme account dates to 2011 and the Bus stop account dates to 2006. --‿Ꞅtruthious 𝔹andersnatch ͡ |℡| 18:19, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

• Struthious Bandersnatch, why didn't you simply ask me what happened on my UTP? You could've at least pinged me or Bus stop when you noticed something irregular instead of disturbing two Guys for nothing? FYI, here is the explanation. For future reference, I don't do socks, or play little kid games on WP, but you might catch me at a WikiCon with a sockpuppet 🧦✋🏻 on my hand having a little fun. Cheers!! 🍺 Atsme 💬 📧 23:45, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
  • @Atsme: I did convey that it seemed unlikely, given how long both you and Bus stop have been editing. The reason I mentioned it here is because it's an admin who has already been investigating sockpuppetry in the same talk page discussion who would know whether it all adds up to be obvious beyond a reasonable doubt that sockpuppetry is occurring as proposed in the WP:SIGNS of Sockpuppetry essay.I'm glad it turned out to be innocuous, though it would have been kind of cool if one of the supernatural phenomena explanations turned out to be real. --‿Ꞅtruthious 𝔹andersnatch ͡ |℡| 00:05, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

• I confess—I am Atsme—we are joined at the hips—we've created a new genitalia—it has a co-creationist bent with a little dangling thing at the end. It's really quite cute. I was thinking of entering it in a competition for weirdness but Atsme feels that would be a violation of basic morality. Bus stop (talk) 00:04, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
  • Like hell - that just sounds too freaking weird, even for me. 🙈🙉🙊 Atsme 💬 📧 00:29, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
    • I retract my weirdness, Atsme. I'm cracking up. I no longer know right from wrong. Please accept my apology. Bus stop (talk) 00:37, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

I feel obligated to bring this up

About , please consider WP:PROXYING, regardless of whether or not you personally agreed with the community's decision. --Tryptofish (talk) 17:14, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

After I hit save, I realized that that comes across as more confrontational than what I intended, so please let me dial it back a bit. It's just that I feel that banned means banned, and using a talk page to suggest content edits (or anything other than requesting an appeal or clarification) might be a reason to shut off talk page access, but I felt it would be better to bring this up with you instead of going to a drama board with it. --Tryptofish (talk) 18:06, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Tryptofish, oh, thanks - didn't spot that this was a bannination not just a block. Guy (help! - typo?) 18:50, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Thanks! Yeah, this stuff gets confusing for me too. There was a lengthy community discussion, a review of the close, and a review of the review of the close. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:46, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Tryptofish, not surprised. I can lose track,m there are so many disruptive users baned these days. It used to be a rare thing. Guy (help! - typo?) 07:16, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

HubPages Mediawiki addition

I replied to your comment there a while ago. I am not sure if you watch it. Graywalls (talk) 06:33, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

Graywalls, thanks, I do, but it can get buried a way down the ol' watchlist. Guy (help! - typo?) 07:09, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

Andy Ngo

You coming to this page to stir up trouble with terms like "fash" and "neo-nazi apologist" is not productive or helpful. Wikieditor19920 (talk) 09:20, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Wikieditor19920, oh, is he not popular with the fash then? Seems to me he is, but then, I don't;t have your degree of objectivity, with a quarter of your edits being to three articles, two on Muslim women and one on an Islamophobic grifter. Guy (help! - typo?) 10:47, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Right, right, you got me, you must be referring to Linda Sarsour which I helped elevate to GA status. What a horrible contribution to the encyclopedia. More WP:SOAPBOXING is really what the Andy Ngo talk page needs, excuse me for questioning you. Wikieditor19920 (talk) 13:22, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Wikieditor19920, and is she Muslim? And is Ilhan Omar Miuslim? So that's two Muslim women and an Islamophobic grifter, and that's 25% of your edits. I see a pattern. Guy (help! - typo?) 20:48, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Excuse me? I can edit whatever page I please, and I have no idea what you mean by "a pattern." And no, I don't shy away from controversial pages, and I'm very proud of my edits at Linda Sarsour, which helped bring a contentious article to a sufficient level of neutrality to earn GA status. You are violating WP:CIVIL with these repugnant accusations, WP:BLP by calling the subject of an article "Islamophobic" (I have not seen that in the New York Times, Washington Post, or any other reputable source, and even if so, you should be attributing those statements), and WP:SOAPBOX with your off-topic and disruptive rants about the subject at Andy Ngo about the same. Adminship is not a license to bully others or violate the tenets of talk page discussion. I really find your conduct here baffling. Wikieditor19920 (talk) 20:54, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

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