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"Undo undone" - a talk page entry in the article?

Hi, the "Undo undone" section reads like a talk page argument - shouldn't it be moved from the article? T 85.166.162.64 (talk) 21:35, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

Done. El_C 21:37, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

Yes indeed, this was my mistake, apologies. Rick Jelliffe (talk) 03:37, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

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An editor undid this section on Record as Economist and Forecaster, because it contained self-published material that is regarded by Misplaced Pages rules as not reliable. However, the references were made as evidence that LaRouche et al do claim the things that section mentions and to provide primary evidence, not to assert the contents of the LaRouche claims. Note that the section contains "claims". In other words, the only reliability issue is whether the words say what they say, not whether they are true or not. You would not refuse to link to Mein Kampf or the Bible or a speech of President Trump or a Mickey Mouse comic because they were considered unreliable. The unreliability constraint can only apply when it is the contents being referenced as authoritative, not when it is their existence that is being attested. So I have undone the undo, but is there some better way to mark something as not contentious but as a potentially self-serving primary source, reliable as an object or assertion but not referenced as endorsed facts or anything deemed reliable?

Is he actually dead?

Other than social media posts and news reports that picked up on it there is no evidence of any funeral and no one has been able to produce a death certificate as of yet. On the forum that discusses a number of valid points have been brought up to question as to whether or not he has actually died. Perhaps someone in Germany where he was living at the time of his death can contact necessary places to see if one can be obtained for verification? Yrly (talk) 00:05, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

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self-defence Correct spelling is: self-defense — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.187.251.31 (talk • contribs) 03:04, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

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He's been dead since last year. So why is there still the tag about his being a living person? Are the cultists responsible for keeping that lock there?Dogru144 (talk) 02:57, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

Even though I am one of the leading published critics of the LaRouche groups,I am uncomfortable with using the term "cultists" to refer to other Misplaced Pages editors. Can we simply refer to them as "pro-LaRouche editors?" Chip.berlet (talk) 12:19, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

No personal attacks, good conduct is most important in Misplaced Pages.

I see no editorial dispute. Anyone can make edits to Misplaced Pages. Everything I see labels him as deceased. What is the issue? Blue Rasberry (talk) 12:29, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

Fair enough. I am alright with Berlet's suggestion.Dogru144 (talk) 18:31, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

Blue Raspberry, the point is: when you put the cursor over the lock symbol it says the article is protected for living persons. As you said, he does not appear to be living, so should we not remove that lock?Dogru144 (talk) 18:34, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

Lydon LaRouche

It is clear that the LaRouche movement and organisation, founded by its name giver, is a political fascist sect. They practice brainwashing. Sometimes they function as suborganisations and thus try to avoid prosecution. Directly or indirectly they are responsible for many destroyed existences, even up to deaths and suicides. A dangerous organisation! Stay away from them and anyone supporting or trivialisinf them.

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