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User:185.109.66.188 reported by User:Nightenbelle (Result: Already blocked)

Previous version reverted to: ]

Diffs of the user's reverts:

Comments:

IP USer is vandalizing page and continually inserting a fringe theory even after warnings and reversion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nightenbelle (talk • contribs)

User:JamalGold reported by User:Mr.User200 (Result: Blocked)

Previous version reverted to: ]

Diffs of the user's reverts:

Comments:

New created account makingunsourced and POV edits on 2020 Nagorno Karabakh page. Posible Sockpuppet of User:GoldyMcDonald or User:SalahGood same POV push and similar name.Mr.User200 (talk) 18:10, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

Oh wow they’ve reverted 15 times and counting in the past 24 hours. That is definite edit warring. D🐶ggy54321 18:15, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

He reverted you twice.Mr.User200 (talk) 18:20, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

Blocked – 24 hours by User:Materialscientist for edit warring. EdJohnston (talk) 21:57, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

24 hours-block not enought, he still disrupts other users edits, here one of Ekograff and here 5RR. Also there is a current Sock Puppet investigation taking place on him.Mr.User200 (talk) 17:08, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

User:Scandevi reported by User:Eggishorn (Result: Warned)

User being reported: Scandevi (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Previous version reverted to:

Diffs of the user's reverts:

19:15, 2 November 2020 (UTC) "Undid revision 986715551 by Binksternet (talk)"
12:25, 2 November 2020 (UTC) "Undid revision 986434547 by Wikiman2718 (talk)"

Diffs of edit warring / 3RR warning:

Diffs of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page:

Please see Talk:Association_for_Behavior_Analysis_International#Edit_warring_by_IP and Misplaced Pages:Help_desk/Archives/2020_October_21#Malicious_Edits_to_Page_-_Association_for_Behavior_Analysis_International Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 19:42, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Comments:

Warned by Binksternet here. User's reverts also include ones made via IP: , , etc. This is explicitly an edit-warring report, not a 3 revert rule report. Through this account and IPs, this user has been edit-warring information that negatively reflects on the organization since August. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 19:36, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

This editor Scandevi continued a series of IP edits here, correcting a coding mistake by the IP. The IP range Special:Contributions/2600:6C4A:797F:F9E3:0:0:0:0/64 is from Kalamazoo, the first location of ABAI, the topic of contention. (ABAI later moved to nearby Portage, Michigan.) The IP range and Scandevi have been trying to whitewash the article, to remove the very close connection between ABAI and Judge Rotenberg Educational Center which the U.N. says is using torture methods on autistic children. Scandevi demonstrates a conflict of interest, and is edit-warring. Binksternet (talk) 22:07, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Result: User:Scandevi is warned for edit warring. They may be blocked the next time they revert at Association for Behavior Analysis International unless they have received a prior consensus for their change on the talk page. EdJohnston (talk) 14:59, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

User:HersiliaAramazd reported by User:FrankCesco26 (Result: Take to Commons)

Page: https://commons.wikimedia.org/File:QarabaghWarMap(2020).svg
User being reported: HersiliaAramazd (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Previous version reverted to: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/archive/1/1f/20201102101720%21QarabaghWarMap%282020%29.svg

Diffs of the user's reverts:

Diff of edit warring / 3RR warning: https://commons.wikimedia.org/File:QarabaghWarMap(2020).svg I state in my edit "Reverted to version as of 09:43, 3 November 2020 (UTC) The source is outdated, it clearly said that azeri infiltrator groups were near the town of Shusha, but since they have been repelled.The source is from 29 October and such not up to date. Please stop edit warring, otherwise we'd have to contact the administrators, since you already broke the three-reverts rule that can lead to a ban."

Diff of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page: https://commons.wikimedia.org/File_talk:QarabaghWarMap(2020).svg#Warning

Comments:
The user has reverted the file ten times since his edit, without any explanation of sort, despite having received explanations on the reasons why his edit was not correct and having invited to stop edit warring multiple times from multiple users. He did not care, showing aggressive and uncollaborative behaviour, and continuing his edit warring. I alerted him of the three-revert rule and invited him to stop, as you can see in the changelog, but I was attacked as a "troll".

Result: This is a dispute on Commons. The admins here have no authority over such matters. See the advice at c:Commons:Dispute resolution. EdJohnston (talk) 14:08, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

There is a ongoing Sock Puppet investigation on that user. Maybe a quick CU could be carried out?.Mr.User200 (talk) 17:43, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

User:HersiliaAramazd hasn't edited English Misplaced Pages since 23 October. The last ANI about him was here but it concerned a revert war about notices, and did not lead to any action. There is an open SPI about User:JamalGold but so far no clerk has endorsed a check. Even if a positive sock result isn't reached in this case I wonder if EC protection is sensible for the article on Casualties of the 2020 Nagorno-Karabakh war. So far that is the only article edited by Jamal Gold. EdJohnston (talk) 18:30, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

I've now blocked User:JamalGold one week for edit warring on Casualties of the 2020 Nagorno-Karabakh war. They continued reverting that article on 3 November after a 24-hour block for the same thing. That page remains under semiprotection as of now, though ECP has been requested at RFPP. EdJohnston (talk) 19:39, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

User:34syd4t4 reported by User:GSS (Result: Warned)

User being reported: 34syd4t4 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Previous version reverted to:

Diffs of the user's reverts:

Diffs of edit warring / 3RR warning:

13:27, 2 November 2020 (UTC) "Warning: Edit warring."

Diffs of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page:

Comments:

The user was warned for edit warring yesterday and their edits were reverted by me and John B123 but I can see no effect of the warning and they are constantly removing the redirect from Jaan Kumar Sanu. GSS  14:17, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Result: User:34syd4t4 is warned. They may be blocked the next time they revert this article unless they have received a prior consensus on the talk page. There seems to be a dispute to whether this page ought to be a separate article or be a redirect to Bigg Boss (Hindi season 14). An AfD might be one way to settle that. EdJohnston (talk) 01:06, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

@EdJohnston: The user was earlier warned by different users for edit warring on different articles. They were first warned by AnomieBOT most probably for edit warring with SpacemanSpiff at Dhinchak Pooja ‎ on 22 October 2017‎, then by Fowler&fowler on 21 August, 2020‎ (diff) for edit warring at Shyamala Gopalan and then by me for their behaviour at "Jaan Kumar Sanu" which they totally ignored and continue reverting so I don't think they care about warnings. GSS  08:00, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

User:SnowFire and User:Leitmotiv reported by User:Nightenbelle (Result: Both warned)

Page: Limited Edition (Magic: The Gathering) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
User being reported: SnowFire (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) and Leitmotiv (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Previous version reverted to:

Diffs of the user's reverts:

Diff of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page: Talk:Limited_Edition_(Magic:_The_Gathering)#Spacing

Comments:

In literally the most ridiculous Edit war ever- these two are fighting over double spacing.... and have argued about it on the talk page, and tried to bring it to the WP:DRN. Over spacing. Which is removed automatically anyway. Nightenbelle (talk) 18:44, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Absolutely agree. It should have never got to this point. My edit was purely innocent, if not entirely productive - but certainly not disruptive. Why it was hotly contested, I have no idea. I learned a thing about double spacing in the process though. Leitmotiv (talk) 20:19, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

This isn't really the right venue. Double spacing is allowed on Misplaced Pages. Whitespace-only edits are pointless, gum up watchlist talk pages, and generally aren't improving Misplaced Pages, despite the general good intent of people making them, so they are generally discouraged and sometimes outright reverted when it's not clear what the benefit is. Leitmotiv is the one who is starting an edit war over imposing his preferred spacing style. I wouldn't care if Leitmotiv was also making substantive edits, it's his right to use whatever spacing style he desires. However, that was not the case here; this was a whitespace only edit. If ceded in this particular venue, then this is essentially a license to automatically go through Misplaced Pages and remove double spaces from all articles, even articles maintained by editors who are happily and harmlessly using double spaces and prefer them - a change that would make editors unhappy and have no effect whatsoever on readers. It's essentially WP:RETAIN, except rather than American / British varieties, it's single-spacing / double-spacing. It doesn't matter, so defer to the editors who've done the work most recently.

If there was a local consensus that it's better to use single spacing on an article, then that's fine. I'd have ceded to that out of respect for the editors who prefer it (although I wonder if Leitmotiv would have if there was an article that other editors preferred double spaces on), and already do so many places on Misplaced Pages. It's impossible to say now since various editors have shown up to profess their love of single-spaces. That said, Leitmotiv, this kind of edit serves only to make other good-faith editors angry, and doesn't help Misplaced Pages. It's slightly bizarre: we both agree that this doesn't affect readers. And we both agree that Leitmotiv was the one who made the initial bold edit removing double spacing. So why am I the subject of abuse for politely explaining to you that there is no standard on Misplaced Pages, and I "live in a weird upside down world", and I'm the one edit warring? SnowFire (talk) 21:32, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Ya'll... you have been reported here not because you are arguing over one of the most ridiculous things I've ever seen... but because both of you broke the do not revert an article 3 times in 24 hours over the same change rule. It has nothing to do with consensus or how many spaces there should or shouldn't be- it has to do with both of you acting like mature adults and discussing it respectfully on the talk page instead of reverting and re-reverting each other over and over and over. Please, one (or both) of you realize how silly this is and quit arguing! Nightenbelle (talk) 21:42, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Yes, I did bring it up on the talk page. I'm happy to discuss it respectfully but think that the Dispute Resolution page Leitmotiv brought this too originally was the better spot to undergo said discussion.

To the extent that this is the edit war talk page, I want Leitmotiv to understand that, even if he disagrees with it, Misplaced Pages policy does not in fact currently endorse edits that solely change whitespace or spacing style, though - they cause far more heat than light. And if such edits are done, and are contested, to just give up - to believe other editors if they say they disagree and not start an edit war over it. (This issue is beyond just single spacing vs. double spacing - there are people who go around trying to standardize template spacing from using newlines, to not using newlines, to having all the values line up with manual spacing, to not having all the values line up, etc., and this is also discouraged if they're not also making substantive edits.) SnowFire (talk) 22:19, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

While I acknowledge that Misplaced Pages's policy is unclear about double spacing, it does not explicitly state that double spacing is okay either. As you and I both recognize, Misplaced Pages renders it all single spacing anyway, which would appear to be the de facto Manual of Style. I understand that it's not a big deal, and I've admitted that from the very start of this edit war conversation at this page. However, it's not such a big deal, that it also requires ostensive reverts on your end that literally add nothing to the article. I would have rather preferred you come to my talk page to discuss the finer merits of double spacing. You would have had more receptive ears than getting involved in an edit war that literally accomplishes nothing. My edits were innocent, yours appear to be out of personal preference per your talk page arguments, and Misplaced Pages is not the kind of place for that type of biased editing. My edits, while perhaps not useful, were an innocent attempt to remove unused space on wikipedia. Your edits were contrarian and strictly edit warring, because you knew in advance they don't add anything to the article, but readded them in spite of this. Leitmotiv (talk) 05:50, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

This does not make sense. Why are your edits "innocent" and mine aren't? Either they're both innocent, or neither are. You, Leitmotiv, know that your edits "don't add anything to the article, yet you reverted in spite of this." You see that this is exactly the same thing, correct? SnowFire (talk) 13:36, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Because I was unaware of the supposed "controversy", but you were. You also knew that your edits would add nothing to the article, but reverted anyway. Leitmotiv (talk) 19:00, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Result: SnowFire and Leitmotiv are both warned. Either one may be blocked if they revert again at Limited Edition (Magic: The Gathering) unless they have first obtained a consensus for their change on the article talk page. EdJohnston (talk) 00:53, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

User:Alexikoua reported by User:Calthinus (Result: )

Previous version reverted to:

Diffs of the user's reverts:

Diff of edit warring / 3RR warning:

Diff of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page:

Comments: A very simple case. As you can see, Alexikoua has made four reverts in fairly quick succession to remove the RS Osswald 2011 from the page. A bonus though: he told Ahmet Q to take "lessons" to learn French "try some French lessons instead", his mother language according to his userpage .--Calthinus (talk) 21:37, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

I have to disagree on the argument that those reverts were done in full succession. Per AGF there was a self revert ] inside those 24h. Moreover this the 1st rv ] was a partial one.

On the other hand an editwar has two sides and Calthinus needs to explain why he does not report:

1.User_talk:Ktrimi991 who performed a clear 4 rvs in 12h ]]]] (without slightest talkpage participation before his last revert).
2.user:Maleschreiber with 4 rvs (2 full and 2 partial rvs) in less than 10h ]]]].

So I really can't under understand Calthinus selective report against me. The article has been a target by various editors. Some of them never participated in the correspondent talkpage and page protection was requested.Alexikoua (talk) 22:06, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

(1) Except your self-revert was of different material ]. While you performed reverts to remove Osswald, your "self-revert" reinstated Isufi on an entirely different topic.

(2) As for Maleschreiber, this one and this one are in fact back to back (i.e. no intervening edits), so not applicable.

(3) But even if he had violated 4RR, that would have no bearing on the fact that you did. It's that simple. --Calthinus (talk) 22:17, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

From the above evidence it is clear that your report is selectively targeted against me. Especially in the case of User_talk:Ktrimi991 who performed 4 clear rvs in less than 12h in the same article (per diffs above).Alexikoua (talk) 22:32, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Alexikoua, it is sad to see that you again have problems with edit warring. It is sad also that you make false accusations against me. Two of my rv were successive, so when 3RR is applied, they count as one. As I said a few hours ago somewhere else, I have made 3 rv. The rules on your reverts are clear: Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. In addition to all of that, why have you again made personal attacks on the talk page of the article? Ktrimi991 (talk) 22:27, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Well I disagree that it is mine editwarring. In fact it takes 2 for edit-warring and the other part (Ktrimi991) performed 4 clear (full) reverts in less than 12h and without participating in talkpage before the last revert.Alexikoua (talk) 22:34, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

I haven't done 4 reverts - 3 of those difs are consecutive edits (of which only 1 is a revert), which Alexikoua as any admin and editor can observe didn't link in the correct order. It highlights that in addition to edit-warring Alexikoua is making extreme false claims against other editors in a report which was filed about his verifiably 4RR activity. It shows that the editor instead of explaining his editing history resorts to false accusations. It's also part of the bigger problem with Alexikoua's editing history: they put forward continuous false claims whether they involve other editors' activity or the edits they put forward. There are countless examples in the last months where they used bibliography in a way that had no relation to what the citation put forward. Just yesterday, I found out that on Zagori he had placed content that wasn't put forward at all by the source he used. At first the editor provided a wrong page, then when I verified that it was wrong, he tried to provide a cropped quote and then accused me that I didn't understand the text Talk:Zagori#Statistics and he kept with the same narrative until another editor stepped in. Recently he was again warned for reaching 3RR, so the editor knows how 3RR works and knowingly followed the reported editing history. His editing also includes POV-pushing for WP:FRINGE theories about the age of the presence of the Greek language on the Balkan peninsula and the situation deteriorated to the point that other editors complained that he was messing up their comments on the talkpage Talk:Proto-Greek_language#Editing_Talk and because he never accepted to WP:DROP other editors had to ask from everyone involved to not reply to Alexikoua anymore. To recap, we have a 4RR breach, consistent edit-warring/3R warnings and WP:BATTLEGROUND behaviour. Ideally, no situation should reach the point where a report is necessary but Alexikoua's activity has required admin oversight for quite some time now. This report is a step towards the right direction. --Maleschreiber (talk) 22:38, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

While I don't necessarily disagree, I'd like us all to stay focused here and not give the poor admins a mountain to read. The matter at hand here is 4RR. He's clearly guilty of that. Let us all allow the admin(s) to inspect the diffs and come to a conclusion. --Calthinus (talk) 22:43, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Since I've been accused that this is "mine" edit war, it might be helpful to provide the 4rvs by User:Ktrimi991:

] (restoring again this text ])
] (restoring again this text ])
] (identical with the previous rv)
] (restoring altogether removed parts as in 1st&2nd rv)

All of them are full reverts (restoring previously removed versions) and done in 12h. It is also evident that Ktrimi's first participation in the correspondent talkpage was done "after" the 4rth revert ]. Admin intervention has been requested here ].Alexikoua (talk) 22:50, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

To the editors above: do not respond to everything Alexikoua says here. He seems to be willing to redirect attention by accusing me of things everyone can easily verify I have not done (a 3RR breach). Ktrimi991 (talk) 22:55, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
No more responses, admins don't need TL;DR - but I do want it to be noted that Alexikoua first accused me of a 4RR and when I very easily showed that I wasn't even close to doing such a thing, he refactored his accusations towards Ktrimi991. It perfectly sums up how the editor operates.--Maleschreiber (talk) 00:03, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

(ec) I haven't done a 3RR breach. But you are edit warring . And we know you have a history of that. What's going on here is yet another instance of a well-organized tag team of Albanian editors trying to ram through by force material that is controversial. The way this works is to find any source, no matter how obscure, to claim "X was Albanian", and then use tag-teaming to ram it through by force. In the case of Parga, a town in Greece, they are using an obscure French language Ph.D. dissertation to claim that In the late medieval period, Parga was the southernmost area of Albania. despite the fact that Albania did not exist before the 20th century (note the wikilink to the modern 20th century state). This is the typical "flag-planting" POV-pushing, to prove to the world that "X belonged to us once!". I opened a discussion on the talkpage and multiple users have objected on the grounds that the material is not really relevant, but the team is edit-warring with ferocious intensity to ram the material through by brute-force (I'm counting 8 reverts within a 24 hour period by team members ). This has been happening on a regular basis in Balkan articles, e.g. here . Reverts are performed in round-robin fashion to game 3RR. Khirurg (talk) 00:08, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

In addition, whenever one of these people is accused of edit-warring, his compatriots flood the report and turn it into a tl;dr shitshow, attacking the reporting party, as happened here . Now the instigator of this dispute is demanding "no more responses" to avoid tl;dr. It perfectly sums up how this team of editors operates. Khirurg (talk) 00:12, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Khirurg was grouping Croat-Bosniak-Albanian editors who disagreed with him a few months ago: everyone knows Bosnia and Croatia have a history of hostility with Serbia (and by extension Greece), while Bulgaria does too though to a lesser extent. Grouping editors together and claiming that they have a "history of hostility" is typical WP:BATTLEGROUND logic. There's an attempt here to turn a report about someone's activity (admins will judge it) into a TL;DR battleground so that it doesn't ever get checked by any admin. Ahmet Q. (talk) 01:20, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Because everybody knows that Balkan editors are POV-free, and would never vote along ethnic lines. Oh no, not in the Balkans. But thanks for bringing out more attention to your side's tag teaming behavior. I had forgotten about that episode. Khirurg (talk) 02:07, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Page protected – 1 week by User:Johnuniq. EdJohnston (talk) 04:11, 5 November 2020 (UTC) Undid my close per a request. See bottom of report. EdJohnston (talk) 19:30, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

I would like to point out that a number of editors who are joining in order to discriminate and dehumanize the other side by presenting them as some sort of haters (as seen here ) are not doing good for their position and general reputation. This seems to be more of a dispute rather then edit-warring, which should have been taken to dispute resolution, civilly. Most reports of this sort get little attention by admins. Another important thing, several editors who are claiming that there is edit-warring done by one side, are doing exactly the same, only by gaming the system and joining with undo, one editor followed by another. Misplaced Pages editors are not dumb, and we can see the pattern. I am inviting admins to take a closer look at that sort of behaviour. I think that advice on gaming the system can be found here. Furthermore, it is obvious that there was a lot of ignoring and stonewalling the Greek position and arguments in the dispute, as seen on the TP. Good God, attempting to show Parga as "southern area of Albania" is a major WP:NATIONALIST, WP:FRINGE and not per WP:NPOV. Ty, Sadkσ (talk is cheap) 14:18, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

I think that claims about "dehumanization" deserve admin oversight. Sadko has already been warned on AE for using reports and AE in particular in order to eliminate opponents of content disputes. Misplaced Pages:Arbitration_enforcement_log#Eastern_Europe, so maybe it's time to enforce the warning.--Maleschreiber (talk) 20:36, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

I second what Sadkσ said. I have already and for a long while warned about the WP:NATIONALIST flag-planting attempts by these editors who tag-teamed to brute-force content into the articles without WP:CONSENSUS.. My warnings can be found both on Parga's Talk Page: and on the Template: Cham Albanians Talk Page: . Just use CTRL+F and locate my name. In the comments signed with my name, you can find details of the problem with these editors's nationalist POV-driven edits. --- ❖ SilentResident ❖ 17:14, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Analogous accusations/aspersions can and have been made going the other way regarding "flag-planting". That is orthogonal and if it is that much of a problem and you care enough, take it to ANI or AE. Can we have decorum, for once, please. The point of this board, ANI/3RR, is violations of 3RR, the basic rule for defusing edit wars, not the rampant aspersions and personal attacks and fringe theories being pushed in the topic area. I recall I was once told by that accusations of such things do not change a violation of 3RR, back when I was a 'novice' in the topic area. It was a case for Resnjari. At the time, I very strongly protested what I felt was evidence of tagteaming against a highly productive editor, who by the way has now largely disappeared from the topic area probably due to all the unpleasantness he was subjected to -- though thankfully he is now doing great work making maps for the history of Welsh and German in the Alps -- that doesnt change that the topic area lost one of its most productive editors. I was told that wouldn't matter, and I learned that such accusations should not be voiced. So now I am perturbed. I ask you Ed, as it was none other than you that handed Resnjari his block-- why is this different?--Calthinus (talk) 18:05, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

@EdJohnston: here is the case I am talking about . Please explain what is different. Thanks, --Calthinus (talk) 18:23, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

In my opinion, neither side of this dispute has been showing us a model of good conduct and willingness to compromise. So far as this board is concerned, please confine yourself to getting consensus on the Parga article. As for User:Resnjari, I hope he feels encouraged for his good work by your statement here. For all of the participants, reading sources and working on the content is a better approach than trying to work the enforcement system against the other side. I'm sure that an WP:RFC can be opened if necessary. I'm not the admin who decided on article protection so don't intend to parse the wall of text above to see who reverted more. EdJohnston (talk) 18:57, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

@EdJohnston: So, as I understand it, if "neither side" is "a model of willingness to compromise" both are insulated from the possibility of the block, especially if they turn the report on this board into an unreadable wall of text? I would not say either side was exactly a paragon of compromise in this dispute either , yet it was you who imposed the block on only one user, with the exact same users here defending Alexikoua being on the other "side" of the dispute. I understand if you are busy, and to be honest, many of us are probably stressed by the ongoing election situation. All one needs to do is look at the diffs to see what is a revert, but I don't demand you do it -- all I ask is that, if you are not willing, allow another mod to examine it. We cannot have endless reverts with impunity in this fragile topic area, nor can we have the appearance of partiality (I make no assertions about partiality whatsoever, but I am warning you about the dangerous effects of the appearance of it). What I ask is that you reopen the thread, and ask another mod to inspect it if you are not willing to inspect the diffs yourself. Thank you for listening to my concerns. Cheers, --Calthinus (talk) 19:14, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

I have undone my close of this report, per the request of User:Calthinus. Any other admin is welcome to take on this report and make their own decision. The Pargas page that was the one in dispute remains fully protected (as before) through an independent decision by User:Johnuniq. EdJohnston (talk) 19:30, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

@EdJohnston: the full protection request occurred before Calthinus filed the 3RR report. I don't necessarily disagree with the full protection of the article, but it's an independent event which wasn't linked to this report. Admin oversight should be applied here. An editor did breach 3RR and has been causing much trouble across the topic area because they are putting forward content which doesn't appear in the bibliography they are using. Just today, Alexikoua is again involved in an edit-war which began because another editor found that Alexikoua has been misusing bibliography again Talk:Korçë#Sourced content restored --Maleschreiber (talk) 20:36, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

If anyone is guilty of source misuse, it is you, as explained here This is source misuse. So it's a bit rich of you to go around constantly accusing others of what you yourself are guilty of. Khirurg (talk) 21:26, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

That is a reference to a disputed interpretation to which of course the other editor is entitled, but it's not about the content - and it's not a good defense if for every reference to Alexikoua's activity all you have to add is WP:WHATABOUT. What is being discussed about Alexikoua's activity is actual material that doesn't appear at all in the sources, which Alexikoua tries to add back with excuses like it's in the source, you can use google (October 20) and then I have to ask from admins to apply oversight . The 4RR report needs to continue so that the basic function of wikipedia gets restored. An editor breached 4RR and is continuing to edit-war and abuse bibliography on every article they get involved in.--Maleschreiber (talk) 21:41, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

The page is fully protected, and no reverts have taken place in almost 24 hours (well over 24 hours in Alexikoua's case). What we have here is clearly one side of the dispute demanding blood. Why? Because three years ago, another editor, unrelated to the dispute, was blocked by the admin who originally closed the report? This isn't about preventing damage to the encyclopedia (which is what blocks are for). It's "gotcha" politics and an attempt to leverage wikipedia procedures to "score" against the other side. The is clearly WP:BATTLE behavior, and in itself sanctionable. The OP is heavily partial in this topic area, having been involved in innumerable disputes against Alexikoua, and appears (to me at least) to be motivated by a desire for revenge. Khirurg (talk) 21:44, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

User:Hipal reported by User:Right cite (Result: )

Previous version reverted to: 09:56, 14 October 2020

Diffs of the user's reverts:

03:52, 3 November 2020‎, Undid revision 986802961
03:55, 3 November 2020‎, Undid revision 986803000
05:33, 3 November 2020
05:34, 3 November 2020
05:36, 3 November 2020
21:23, 4 November 2020, Undid revision 987087871
23:39, 4 November 2020‎, Undid revision 987094219
23:42, 4 November 2020, Undid revision 987093612
00:40, 5 November 2020, Undid revision 987114385

Diff of edit warring / 3RR warning:

August 2019 -- prior block for same behavior on same page, unblocked on condition per blocking admin, "per condition agreed to on Talk page: user will not edit Al Seckel for any reason for two weeks".
Blocking admin in 2019 explained policy to the user: "A 'revert' means any edit (or administrative action) that reverses the actions of other editors, in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material."
User at that time in 2019 stated, "I wasn't aware that removal of any information can be considered a revert."
User is since after their 2019 block aware of site policy. User continues to edit-war multiple times, on same page.

Diff of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page: diff

Comments: Per WP:3RR, policy states, "An editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page—whether involving the same or different material—within a 24-hour period. An edit or a series of consecutive edits that undoes other editors' actions—whether in whole or in part—counts as a revert." User has engaged in reverting, rather than discussing first, multiple times, on same article. Right cite (talk) 00:53, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Sorry about that. How about we remove all the edits and start from scratch? ~~Otherwise we're equally in violation of this policy.~~ --Hipal/Ronz (talk) 01:14, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

I've made no reverts after being notified, other than to undue my last edits in good faith. As I identify on my talk page, I am usually open to holding myself to one revert if you think it will help a situation. Just let me know. --Hipal/Ronz (talk) 01:21, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Comment: I have made zero reverts or undoing of any edit whatsoever to the page in question. User seems to communicate mainly by the edit summary Undid revision... over and over again, many many times past 3RR. User is aware of site policy, having been educated about it by an admin to his block log in 2019. Right cite (talk) 01:24, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Can you comment on my good faith attempt to settle this. I've no reverts after being notified, and my standard 1RR offer stands. --Hipal/Ronz (talk) 01:36, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

User has not undone their multitude of edits that used edit summary Undid revision... to the page. User has not shown they have learned more about site policy regarding edit warring and disruption from their block back in 2019. Right cite (talk) 01:41, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

So you want me to revert all my edits, and leave yours? Is this correct? --Hipal/Ronz (talk) 01:44, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

This is about the user not displaying they have demonstrated they will permanently cease the edit warring and undoing of edits multiple times on a page, through the Undid revision tactic, as they were blocked for in 2019. Right cite (talk) 01:46, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

So is that a yes or a no? You brought it up, so I assumed you were offering a solution. --Hipal/Ronz (talk) 01:49, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Unfortunately user shows no compunction not to edit war. They appear to do so without concern for site policy, repeatedly, and do not stop at one, two, or three times, or more. It did not stop after the block in 2019. It is likely to continue to be an ongoing pattern of disruption to the encyclopedia. Right cite (talk) 01:51, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Given that I started discussing the matter with you by thanking you for your work 20:21, 4 November 2020, you responded there without indicating there was a problem 21:52, 4 November 2020, though you had in the meantime started the talk page discussion 21:38, 4 November 2020 ; I don't see how this furthers our efforts to improve the article. That is our goal here, correct? You've disputed a single one of my edits. Are you disputing others? --Hipal/Ronz (talk) 02:15, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

User has commented five (5) times so far in this section. At no point have they demonstrated they have learned about site policy regarding causing edit warring and disruption to the encyclopedia or demonstrated a desire they change their behavior pattern, since their block in 2019. It is likely to continue to occur repeatedly. Right cite (talk) 02:18, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

So nothing else is in dispute? There was no indication (WP:BRD) that we weren't simply working through an article that needed cleanup. My offers to resolve the situation are being ignored, so I'll leave it to others. --Hipal/Ronz (talk) 02:27, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Unfortunately, the user has ignored above regarding learning anything from their block in 2019 and their two-week ban off the article mainspace of the exact same article from 2019. It is therefore likely their pattern of disruption will continue. Right cite (talk) 02:33, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

@Right cite: I don't understand this discussion at all. You can't simply report someone, grab discussion items from over a year ago, and then go WP:IDONTHEARYOU when the user is offering a resolution. I want to assume good faith on this but you're really bludgeoning here. – The Grid (talk) 04:00, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

@The Grid:I would very much like to assume good faith as well. I would like to hope that the disruption will stop after this report. Unfortunately I just don't see that from the tone of the user's comments and responses and repeated pattern of behavior. The Grid, I'm open to whatever you feel might be a productive way forward here, if it will encourage the user to stop the disruption and engage in mutual collaboration with the community. Right cite (talk) 04:06, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

@Right cite: A productive way forward would be seeking a resolution. Please correct me if I'm wrong but I don't see any attempt of discussion on the associated talk page? No attempt of you opening a chat, mentioning WP:BRD, and/or an acknowledgment on the user's talk page that they were reported here which is mandatory. I don't see a tone from the user but this is where you shouldn't make matters personal on edits you make to this site. Communication is always key. – The Grid (talk) 17:20, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

@The Grid:I agree with you. There have been attempts at communication. The user reverts, multiple times per day, across multiple pages per day, many many times. It is disheartening. Right cite (talk) 17:23, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Now I see a discussion has been made on the talk page since this report? You should have done that first before making this report. – The Grid (talk) 17:32, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

To be fair, i think right cite has been stressed out over Hipal following him to multiple articles that he edits such as on the talk pages of Alexis Texas, Casey Calvert, Paul Seckel and List of think tanks in the United States. It's hard to have a discussion with Hipal, he just repeatedly accuses right cite and his work as being non-neutral and reverts it or edit wars over it without discussing it. I think some deeper examination of the behaviour here is needed, it's bleeding out in multiple articles and if Hipal is following right cite around to every article he edits - indicative of a negative environment brewing. GuzzyG (talk) 21:21, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

User:1.144.107.217 reported by User:Cutelaba (Result: Page protected)

Previous version reverted to: ]

Diffs of the user's reverts:

Comments:

User IP is engaged in repeated edit warring. The user has been warned but they continue to do it. The user deletion of sourced materials is persistently engaged in disruptive editing. Cutelaba (talk) 01:26, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Please let it be known that the IP, the reporter (Cutelaba), and Jorgensen William have all been involved in an edit war to the Mawlid page. They have all been reverting each other’s edits (both Jorgensen and Cutelaba are at three reverts in 24h), and I have read thru the history and it is very disruptive. D🐶ggy54321 01:32, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Nevermind, Jorgensen gamed the 3RR system by reverting just outside the 24h period. Diffs:

D🐶ggy54321 01:35, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

I believe Jorgensen and Cutelaba are sock puppets of same ideological-driven editor. I have requested help on sock puppet talk page to open an investigation into them. Their edits regarding Mawlid clearly contradict what even the provided quotes from citations clearly state. They are simply rewording wiki content to suit their prejudices rather than accurately stating what is mentioned by the sources. 1.144.107.172 (talk) 03:20, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Page protected – 3 days. It is unlikely that people can find a source that says, Mawlid was invented by Group X and was definitely not invented by Group Y. On the talk page we have one person saying this is a dubious Shi'ite custom and someone else saying that the Shi'ites aren't being properly credited for originating the festival. Misplaced Pages may not have to answer the question of who invented Mawlid. EdJohnston (talk) 04:01, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

User:94.54.255.43 reported by User:Rsk6400 (Result: )

Previous version reverted to:

Diffs of the user's reverts:

Comments: I tried to file a report here using Twinkle some hours ago, but for some reason that didn't work.
--Rsk6400 (talk) 14:10, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

The IP has now engaged in massive copyvios in the talk page Talk:Genetic history of Europe. –Austronesier (talk) 15:32, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

source one says;"there is low apparent diversity in Europe with the entire continent-wide samples only marginally more dispersed than single population samples elsewhere in the world" source two is not about only assyrian people and their languages about all near eastern My sources is based a lot of different sources if you look at these source you will see in reference part please read carefully all of these source and these sources' sources — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.54.255.43 (talk) 17:40, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

if we have disagreement, we can talk and solve — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.54.255.43 (talk) 17:43, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

we are civilized people — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.54.255.43 (talk) 17:45, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

such as Balkan peoples (such as Phrygians and Macedonian Greeks) sentences I added to page and it is a my mistake which I wrote to sources and I would like to my mistake fix

and other information which I write is based a lot of sources including sources' source and if you read to carefully you will see these informations and if you have a different arguement and scientific research you share same topic thus People see the different scientific sources which have different opinion — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.54.255.43 (talk) 18:01, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

This has nothing to do with whether you're citing sources. This has everything to do with repeatedly reverting an article or otherwise edit warring. —C.Fred (talk) 18:17, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

I think this is a misunderstanding mutually and two side don't have a bad intent My sources are these My best regards

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User:Lord Such&Such reported by User:Elmidae (Result: )

Previous version reverted to:

Diffs of the user's reverts:

Diff of edit warring / 3RR warning:

Diff of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page: ,

Comments: After a short spat on my talk page that descended into mudslinging pretty quickly, no engagement on talk page but busy re-instatement of challenged edit.-- Elmidae (talk · contribs) 17:48, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

User not in breach of 3RR at this time. Attempting to engage on their talk page. —C.Fred (talk) 17:57, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

All right, we made it to the talk page now; thanks. In absence of stonewalling-by-edit-summary, I can live with the disputed version being up while this is being sorted out. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 19:32, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

User:82.35.79.144 reported by User:Squared.Circle.Boxing (Result: Partial block)

Previous version reverted to: Special:Diff/987059261

Diffs of the user's reverts:

Diff of edit warring / 3RR warning:

Diff of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page:

Comments:
The IP is edit warring to include lineal titles in the record table, which is against MOS:BOXING/WEIGHT and NPOV (lineal titles are a matter of opinion). I left a message on the IP's talk page to let them know (before the 3rr warning) that their edit goes against MOS (Special:Diff/987241116). – .O. 20:44, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Note I normally ask registered editors to self-revert. I went ahead and reverted for them and explained why they need to take the matter to the talk page. I'm prepared to partial block the IP if they revert again. —C.Fred (talk) 20:54, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Blocked – for a period of 31 hours Partial block from the article in question only. —C.Fred (talk) 21:01, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

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