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Incivil

Please note this edit is incivil and a policy violation per WP:CIVIL. Moscatanix 22:50, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Cry more, troll tears nourish me. Hipocrite - «Talk» 23:12, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't know what your issue is with me, sir. I simply let you know the edit I saw was inappropriate. Please direct your hostility elsewhere! Moscatanix 23:17, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Dude, is there some history here that I'm not aware of? That seems like an awfully...erm...blunt edit summary. I realize that NuclearUmpf/Zero has a tendency to be rather prickly at times.

Still, if you're letting matters get under your skin, you might be best to leave them to another editor. Copyright stuff needs cool heads. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 00:01, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Why, I would never let something get under my skin. I will religiously and devotedly analyze the edits of trolls to make sure that they are complying with all of our rules and policies, especially copyright. It's so obvious when copyright tags are just made up. Hipocrite - «Talk» 04:06, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Seriously—if you have a problem with this editor that you can't handle civilly, then you can hand it off to someone else; that's one of the uses for WP:AN/I. If you want to resolve copyright problems, there are ways to do that. You know how to use the appropriate templates; they work perfectly well without added sarcasm or insults. If it turns out that an editor is incorrigible, there are processes for dealing with that, too.

Throwing the word 'troll' around and snapping at me aren't part of those processes, and they aren't going to help you or anyone else. Go have a beer. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 04:23, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

I have found that the uses of AN/I and the other administrative "help" sections is actually to get a bunch of process wonkery to validate and verify bad behavior of worthless contributors. Your experience may be different. Hipocrite - «Talk» 04:26, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

In general, the AN/I process usually works remarkably well, if you follow three simple guidelines.

1. Be concise. We're all busy writing an encyclopedia, here.
2. Be clear. Describe the problem with appropriate diffs.
3. Have clean hands. Be part of the solution rather than part of the problem.

It's point number three where you're seeming to fall down, here. You're taking a copyright dispute (which can usually be resolved in a straightforward manner, through education, or – failing that – blocks) and turning it into a personality conflict (which tends to be a much messier sort of thing). If there's a history here, then explain it so I can relate to your situation. If there isn't a history here, then drop the gratuitous rudeness. Pause to think about what you're trying to accomplish, rather than rushing to snap off a snarky response to me in three minutes. If you need to blow off steam, Misplaced Pages isn't the place for it. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 04:55, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Too many strikes are granted as long as individuals don't fall afoul of stupid bright-line rules. It's time for me to start swinging at more pitches. You want an explanation? User:MONGO, User:Miltopia, http://www.encycl opediadramatica.com/index.php?title=Hipocrite&action=history. Any questions? Didn't think so. Hipocrite - «Talk» 05:43, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

←back to the left margin... The fact that there are assholes and trolls on ED doesn't give you a free pass to be rude here. They know they can get under your skin and get such a delightful reaction out of you, and the little wankers are getting off on it. You self-destructing here doesn't accomplish anything. If you're going to try to go out in a blaze of glory, just...don't. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 06:19, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Why not? Hipocrite - «Talk» 06:30, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

• No surprise! Peanutbutterandjelly

• • I was more than aware. Hipocrite - «Talk» 12:41, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

You know, if you'd just filled me in on the history when I first asked you – 'Moscatanix is a Rootology sock; I know because of X' – or filed such a report on WP:AN/I, then I'd have blocked him yesterday. No fuss, no muss, no bother, and no need to feed the troll.

Would you like to explain to me why you left the rude edit summary that started all this? Is there a particular problem you're having with NuclearUmpf? If he's regularly using incorrect tags on uploaded images, that's something that I would be willing to intervene in. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 14:46, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

NU is a serial edit warrior - you, of course, know this, as he's been sanctioned by ArbComm for serial edit warring, which he continues, without further sanction. It is patently obvious he gets off on arguing on the internet. Of course, he, and his encyclopedia dramatica troll cohort (Rootology, badlydrawnjeff) needle and needle and pick untill they get what they want. In addition to this, he skirts the edge of copyright acceptability - see Image:Kim osorio.jpg - blatently false tag, Image:Al-douri12.jpg - likley innacurate tag. Since attempting to stop edit warring by telling people to get rid of edit warriors does not work, I intend to police his flagrant copyright violations instead. Hipocrite - «Talk» 15:48, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

You may be aware of the ArbCom sanction against NU - located atMisplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/Zer0faults. It reads that "Zer0faults is placed on Probation. He may be banned for an appropriate period of time from an article or set of articles which he disrupts by tendentious editing or edit warring." You may wish to review his conduct at a user's page, kept twice in MFD, which is ideologically opposed to his new 9-11 truth woldview, User:GabrielF/ConspiracyNoticeboard. I challenge any adminstrator reading this to take appropriate action. Hipocrite - «Talk» 16:41, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

You may also wish to review his reinstatement of statments by arbcom banned user rootology at Talk:Paul Thompson (researcher). Hipocrite - «Talk» 16:42, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Keep cool

And be well. -- User:RyanFreisling @ 18:26, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Heya Hipocrite

Long time no. I see you're on a wiki break and... if you'd like to, I'd love your input over at the Transcendental Meditation. I don't think there are any trolls over there, so you should be safe! :) peace. Sethie 19:57, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Well

What do you think? The last three sections should make it clear. At any rate it needs RFPP one of these days. >Radiant< 16:17, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

WP:PAIN

You should also edit the "For reviewers handling assistance requests:" section as well. I've always thought the requirement for templates caused problems. --Barberio 19:30, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks by the way. I'd only just brought the issue up myself on Misplaced Pages:Village_pump_(policy)#.22Threats_of_Blocks.22, before this whole mess blew up. --Barberio 19:41, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks, Jimfbleak.talk.06:38, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

subpage

I assume you did not know about this page? User:Hipocrite/devnul I noticed it when look at the users contributions. David D. (Talk) 18:43, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Thank you, I did not notice such. The user is a newbie who is trying to soapbox about his racial superiority theories on the Reference Desks. Hipocrite - «Talk» 18:50, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Phoenix

I was looking for users to help me with the proposal. Do you think I could recreate the page if i marked it with a proposal tag? Geo. 19:33, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

• i was replying to your comment on Deletion Review. Phoenix would have been a working pilot for a Esperanza like project sans reasons for deletion. Geo. 19:39, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

I reverted your removal of my comments. This user has been warned by three administrators now to stop trying to create a new Esperanza, but he won't listen. I don't think it me that is trying to raise the roof. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 19:43, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

I was going to create a framework for the organization. The first program would have been the Coffee Lounge. Geo. 19:48, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

i am going to drop the proposal for now. Geo. 19:54, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

To continue your analogy, Geo.plrd's efforts are like a tango dancer starting an all night disco complete with drug addicts and coffee bar - in the middle of a library. Please don't humour him if he tries to start anything similar on Misplaced Pages. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 19:57, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Funny analogy, I think i will take your (Hipocrite's) advice. Geo. 22:22, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, we will go for a wikia Geo. 22:43, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Ok, I'll sign up for a wikia account shortly and see if I can't figure out how they do things over there. I'll try to be around this weekend but football. My email is enabled - if you'd like to talk there, or we can use my talk page. Either way. Hipocrite - «Talk» 22:45, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Basically, you fill in an application and they'll let you know whether you can have a Wikia or not. It's fairly simple. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 23:13, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Please do not threaten me

I am not "stalking" and "needling" - I presented evidence when another admin had a concern about JzG's attacks. Is this what happens when an editor presents evidence against somebody? I never said those things JzG said, he said them, I only presented them as evidence. I have done nothing wrong and I am taking this to RfC. ATren 20:14, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Do not present evidence about JzG regarding disputes that are seperate from your dispute with him, which involves only Personal Rapid Transit. Do not stalk his edits to other pages. This will stop now. Your actions are disruptive. Hipocrite - «Talk» 20:31, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

So even though I had evidence that many other respected users thought was relevant (and it was relevant) I am being disruptive? If you read the personal attacks page, it says you should try to avoid report attacks when you are the victim - to rely on others to report. Now you're telling me it's inappropriate for others to report as well? This amounts to suppression of evidence, doesn't it?

I happened to see somebody on AN/I say that JzG's incivilitty was an isolated incident, and I had much evidence that it was anything but isolated, including an admission on JzG's own page that he will attack in the future. How is presenting that evidence disruptive? I don't care what my history is with him - I'm sure if I got into a dispute with another, he'd be the first to arrive and present all his evidence against me (though, in fact, there is none against me, because I've been a model editor).

I am soliciting advice from others on this matter, and after that I may submit an RfC. I've done nothing wrong. ATren 20:54, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

ATren solicited my opinion and advice. May I share a few words here? The diffs this editor provided looked valid and topical. It seems harsh to post a final warning because of that particular thread. ATren hasn't completely followed the spirit of my feedback, but perhaps you both could compromise? I've recommended WP:ADOPT to this editor (who's been getting some bad advice from the looks of his/her user talk). If ATren makes some good faith steps such as joining that program would you be willing to downgrade the warning? Durova 03:07, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Allow me to be perfectly clear - ATren will stop stalking JzG. There is no other solution. If he stops stalking JzG, there will be no issue. If said stalking continues, said issue will continue. Hipocrite - «Talk» 11:47, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Allow me to be perfectly clear: I've done nothing wrong, violated no policy, broken no rules. I stand by each and every one of my comments on AN/I and elsewhere. And if tomorrow I see evidence that JzG is violating policy I will not hesitate to report it despite your threat above. If you have a problem with that, I suggest you take it to RfC. ATren 12:39, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

F.Y.I.

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Controlled demolition hypothesis for the collapse of the World Trade Center (3rd). TheOnlyChoice 22:17, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

I owe you one. Guy (Help!) 22:21, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Warning

In the past few days you have repeatedly engaged in egregious personal attacks, incivility, threats, bullying and other harassment of various users (, , , , et cetera). You have been warned about this previously. Please stop attacking people and try to deal with others politely. --CBD 00:00, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Make my day. Hipocrite - «Talk» 11:43, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Telling me 'gfy' in your edit summary to the above only admits the validity of what I am saying. You don't have the right to insult people on Misplaced Pages. You have to try to work with and even help people you disagree with... not attack them. That is the only way a collaborative project like this can function and the reason we have such strong policies about civility and personal attacks. --CBD 11:58, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, you, again, are the lone crusader of correctness in the middle of a sea of people who are just wrong, every time. If I weren't feeling really good about myself right now, I'd see what I could do about finally getting rid of your misplaced buttons. PS: applies doubly to you. Hipocrite - «Talk» 12:03, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Fortunately, no... I'm not a 'lone crusader'. In the past week or so half a dozen different people have warned you about your behaviour. That should have been sufficient to make clear that it was a problem. Suggesting that I should be de-sysoped is another of those things that really isn't friendly/shouldn't be done, and in this case would change nothing... I could just as easily urge people to follow Misplaced Pages's behavioural policies without being an administrator. Indeed, before becoming an admin I did so to admins, arbitors, and even Jimbo. My commitment to getting people to treat each other fairly and respectfully does not come in 'button' form. It would cost you nothing to be polite when you disagree with others. It is expected in general society and doubly so on Misplaced Pages. That you have responded each time with fresh insults seems deliberately disruptive and I can't see what you would hope to gain by that. --CBD 12:21, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

You are the lone crusader in attempting to defend your troll friends from the slings an arrows of outrageous fortune. Obviously, you don't know what civility is - you are interested in defending the downtrodden troll from people noticing the brown thing in the corner is a turd - you are not interested in defending people from incivility, only in defending the powerless from anything. This is my final comment on this thread - there is little or no need for you to respond further, but I suspect you will go ahead and get the last word in below. Hipocrite - «Talk» 12:25, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

I'll be happy to interject a word. I was going to ask you to clarify on your edit here , but after reading your responses here, I think we have a fundamental disagreement on what WP:CIVIL means. --Ronz 17:09, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Could I suggest that editorial disagreements are most likely to resolve quickly and productively when editors observe the following:

• Remain polite per WP:Civility.
• Solicit feedback and ask questions.
• Keep the discussion focused. Concentrate on a small set of related matters and resolve them to the satisfaction of all parties.
• Focus on the subject rather than on the personalities of the editors.

Thanks! --Ronz 17:09, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

When both editors observe the following, yes. When one party plays by the rules and the other dosen't care? Not so much. Hipocrite - «Talk» 18:34, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Don't template the regulars

Brilliant! Just what I was thinking when I MfD's Template:Civil1. I'd give you a barnstar, but as that's boilerplateish, I'll just say 'thanks'.--Doc 21:44, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Buffer overflow

I may be wrong, but I don't think ProtectionBot can be vulnerable to a buffer overflow attack. I have read the source and all of it's inputs are in the form of text only data. You cannot put binary data on a wiki page for the bot to read, and precompiled assembly(which buffer overflow attacks need) cannot be put into text. What's more I don't believe that Python has run-time compiling abilities. Have I alleviated your concerns, or have I missed something? HighInBC 17:53, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

DDV

Please keep an eye out, thanks. >Radiant< 10:28, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Inshaneee

No i do not accept your "apology" for inshaneee, he can do it himself (and mean it). I have not posted to his page for nearly 2 months and only in direct relation to his bans of me and his later incivility to me. The advice on the RfC was to monitor him for futher incivility, i am doing that . I was advised to try again to resolve this dispute so i asked civily for an apology, i will not post on his talk page again. This is not about a 3 month old ban (i was in the wrong for what i did and should have been banned) this is only about an ADMIN calling me a douche, full stop. I also won't contact you again unless you talk to me. Hypnosadist 15:33, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Who gave you this terrible advice? Hipocrite - «Talk» 15:50, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Here its on the Administrators noticeboard so i thought i should follow it.Hypnosadist 18:38, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

No such terrible advice is given in that thread. Hipocrite - «Talk» 19:06, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

You are right, i posted the wrong diff of two chats going on at the same time. Sorry for wasteing your time here is the link to a chat on AN/I . Hypnosadist 20:11, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

No such terrible advice is given in that thread, either. Hipocrite - «Talk» 20:14, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Lets start with; Apparently you are seeing parts of this discussion and not others. Several folks (admin, and not-admin alike, including myself) have agreed that the mass discussion you were doing was ok in theory.. EXCEPT: A) you were only letting people know that already agreed with you, when to be fair, you are supposed to let all sides know that you are adding more information to the RfC, and inviting comment, and B)You did not do so in a neutral manner. SirFozzie 23:47, 8 January 2007 (UTC) and i can't find bbatsell's quote i was following when i asked civily one last time for an apology and on that i'm ceasing to justify myself to you as i have done nothing wrong.Hypnosadist 20:42, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

I would like to see who advised you to ask for an apology for a three month old slight. I'm going to operate under the assumption that no one did such at this point, and that you are mistaken. Hipocrite - «Talk» 20:43, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Oh yes now i remember bbatsell pointed out that Arb com would want to see repeated attempts to civily come to a resolution to this Issue. So i asked again for an apology and was supprised to get a reply of you. Since the start of my dealings with inshanee i have found out that he has also called other editors douche and other incivilty as well as wheel warring and other breaches of Admin policy. We've had an RfC which he mostly ignored as it happened and totally afterword. I started to talk to other people about what they thought of Ishaneee and got my comments deleted by a friend of inshaneee who is also an admin. I'm completely pisssed off by this whole thing now, especially my treatment by admins who don't give a damn about what hes done its about how i've done wrong.Hypnosadist 21:03, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

chicken or egg

""What came first, the chicken or the egg" is only an interesting question because it dosen't have an obvious answer. "

Shouldn't that be which came first the "chicken egg or the chicken"? Didn't dinoasaurs have eggs ;)

Probably a good delete but thanks for the back up. Such a true comment. I can rememeber ref desk in far better shape when it was just a bunch of strangers passing through to help out. Now we have squatters rights being invoked and it just gets uglier and uglier. David D. (Talk) 21:58, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Evert Collier

A question about the death information you listed for Evert Collier was asked on the Misplaced Pages:Reference desk/Humanities‎ - specifically . Can you provide any help? Hipocrite - «Talk» 16:25, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

These data are from the authorative and informative though regretfully monolingual website of the Netherlands Institute for Art History. It's page on Edwaert Collier (Edwaert apparently is preferred) says: "Sterfplaats/datum Londen 1708; begraven 9 September 1708, St. James's Picadilly", "Place/date of death London 1708, buried Sept 9 1708, St. James's Picadilly". It also lists his places of activity (1667-93 Leiden, 1693-1702 London, 1702-6 Leiden, 1706-8 London) and has 80 detailed descriptions of his paintings. As sources it lists: "Allgemeines Lexikon der bildenden Künstler von der Antike bis zur Gegenwart / unter Mitwirkung von 300 Fachgelehrten des In- und Auslandes ; hrsg. von Ulrich Thieme und Felix Becker (1907-1950)" and "Adriaan van der Willigen en Fred G. Meijer, A Dictionary of Dutch and Flemish Still-life Painters Working in Oils, 1525-1725, Leiden 2003" Afasmit 22:53, 9 January 2007 (UTC)