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The result of the debate was PAGE MOVED per discussion below. -GTBacchus 08:23, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Requested Move to Giovanni Dalmata

Ivan Duknović → Giovanni Dalmata — To reflect common English usage, as required by Misplaced Pages's naming conventions. Examples of usage can be found below, in the "Simple tests" and "Books" sub-sections.

Please, keep in mind that, per WP:NC, for the purposes of naming this article the names used for this artist by Latin, Italian, Croatian or Chinese-speaking individuals and authors (of the past, present and future) are irrelevant. Instead, we should consider only the names commonly used in English-language reliable sources (mainly those originating in the UK, USA, Ireland, Canada, Australia, NZ, etc.) - Best regards, Evv 04:02, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

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Survey - Support votes

  1. Support - as nominator. Evv 04:02, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
  2. Support per nom. Appears to be original name (probably moved once before moves recorded in page history), and one who changed it clearly admitted "better known as". Gene Nygaard 02:17, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Survey - Oppose votes

Simple tests

Google Print test

  • Searching for "Giovanni Dalmata": 37 books in English (7 of which are travel guides).* Searching for "Ivan Duknović" OR "Ivan Duknovic": 4 books in English (2 of which are travel guides, and another one stating the works of Ivan Duknovic, of Trogir, known by the name of Giovanni Dalmata).
  • Searching for "Giovanni di Trau": 0 books in English.
  • Searching for "Giovanni da Trau": 2 books in English, one mentioning with the Dalmatian GIOVANNI DA TRAU (also called Giovanni Dalmata), the other a travel guide.

Google Scholar test

Amazon.com test

  • Searching for "Giovanni Dalmata": 23 books in English (7 of which are travel guides).
  • Searching for "Ivan Duknovic": 3 books in English (one mentioning Dalmata, Giovanni (Ivan Duknovic), Dalmatian sculptor, and the other mentioning the Dalmatian-born Ivan Duknovic, known as Giovanni Dalmata and one Ivan Duknović).
  • Searching for "Giovanni di Trau": 0 books in English.
  • Searching for "Giovanni da Trau": 1 book in English (a travel guides).

Best regards, Evv 04:02, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Books

Some books, without including the bulk of Amazon.com's 23 results for "Giovanni Dalmata":

  • The Italian Renaissance by Peter Burke, Polity Press, Second revised edition, Cambridge, 1999, ISBN 0-7456-2138-4, p. 78 & 296 (index):
    ...not only made Giovanni Dalmata a nobleman, but...
    Dalmata, Giovanni (Ivan Duknovic), Dalmatian sculptor...
  • Toward a Geography of Art by Thomas DaCosta Kaufmann, University Of Chicago Press, 2004, ISBN 0-226-13312-5, p.196, 205, 206 & 468 (index):
    ...such major figures as Giovanni Dalmata (recte Ivan Dukhnović) in the...
    Giovanni Dalmata provides a good example. As his name implies, Dalmata, properly Ivan Dukhnović, came from Trogir (Trau)...
    Giovanni Dalmata (recte Ivan Dukhnović), fragment...
    Dalmata, Giovanni (recte Ivan Dukhnović)...
  • How Fra Angelico and Signorelli Saw the End of the World by Creighton Gilbert, Pennsylvania State University Press, 2002, ISBN 0271021403, p.ix:
    ...Giovanni Dalmata,...
  • The Aesthetics of Italian Renaissance Art: A Reconsideration of Style by Hellmut Wohl, Cambridge University Press, 1999, ISBN 0-521-57064-6, p.124 & 364 (index):
    ...of the Dalmatian born Ivan Duknovic, known as Giovanni Dalmata, who...
    Giovanni Dalmata (Ivan Duknovic)...
  • The Art of Renaissance Venice: Architecture, Sculpture, and Painting, 1460-1590 by Norbert Huse & Wolfgang Wolters, University of Chicago Press, 1993, ISBN 0-226-36109-8, p.132 & 158:
    ...the altar begun for by Giovanni Dalmata...
    ...attributed to Giovanni Dalmata,...
(This book is a translation from German by Edmund Jephcott of Venedig: Die Kunst der Renaissance - Architektur, Skulptur, Malerei 1460-1590 by Norbert Huse & Wolfgang Wolters, C.H. Beck'sche Verlagsbuchhandlung, Munich, 1986)

Best regards, Evv 04:02, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

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