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@Just10A Can you explain how the edit you reverted was "not an improvement"? Also pinging @83d40m. TheWikiToby (talk) 21:31, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

I also would like to know how leaving out a significant portion of the historical record could be preferred as an impartial discussion. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 00:49, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

It was a monstrously long, grammatically incorrect, and awkwardly forced sentence. Clearly not an improvement on that alone. Furthermore, it casts doubt by its language to the point of it probably being WP:Undue (especially if we’re gonna remove his explicit disavowal of the project from the first paragraph like it previously was).

Let me know if there’s anything else I can help you with Just10A (talk) 03:11, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, User:Just10A, but my request was not for your personal view of the style of another editor — it was regarding the provision of an impartial discussion in WP with a reference. I note that another editor, TheWikiToby questioned justification as well. Unfortunately, it appears that supression of the facts in the quote is being argued rather, as a personal dislike of style. If you replace my edit with another edit at this point in the article for Project 2025 with the same facts and reference — meeting that standard — I will not pursue reintroduchtion of the balance needed:

Public disapproval of the project's controversial proposals led Trump and his campaign to distance themselves from it in 2024 although at a 2022 dinner for the Heritage Foundation Trump said that the group was "going to lay the groundwork and detail plans for exactly what our movement will do … when the American people give us a colossal mandate", when the negative reactions arose, Trump began to say that he knew "nothing about it" and that "some of the things are absolutely ridiculous and abysmal".

It seems that supression of the facts in the quote is being argued rather, as a personal dislike of style. Please provide an edit to correct the stylistic aspects to that which you would prefer. So long as the balance is re-established and the facts and reference are included — there would be no need for me to pursue coverage of what seems needed for impartial balance presentation to complete the existing discussion. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 17:59, 5 December 2024 (UTC) 83d40m (talk) 17:59, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

Apologies. My reply wasn't to you, it was to the original poster asking for an explanation for why it was "not an improvement." That's what I was addressing.

Secondly, there is no suppression going on here. To my knowledge, similar info is already in the body of the article and, if it is not, you a more than welcome to add it provided it meets requirements.

However, that's not the issue here, and I think that's where the confusion is. The standard for something being included in the lead is not whether something is part of an "impartial discussion in WP with a reference". On the contrary, verifiability does not equal inclusion for the entire article, and the requirements for the lead are even more strenuous. The lead of this article is already much longer than what is usually considered ideal (250 to 400 words, this page's lead is already 650+) and the lead needs to conform to MOS:INTRO by simply "briefly summariz the most important points covered in an article." Long story short, as already stated, injecting an extremely long and extremely awkward sentence that is not one of the main points of the article does not adhere to those standards.

Additionally, (again as already stated), there would also probably be WP:UNDUE/balance issues as well since his explicit disavowal in the first paragraph was removed and the wording would be casting even more doubt on his statements. This would be a little over the edge, but that's secondary anyway. Let me know if there’s anything else I can help you with. Just10A (talk) 19:45, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

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It seeks to eliminate coverage of emergency contraception and use the Comstock Act to prosecute those who send and receive contraceptives and abortion pills.

It seeks to use the Comstock Act to prosecute providers and distributors of abortion pills.

Because

The Barron-Lopez-2024 article did not mention contraception.
Project 2025 says they intend to prosecute providers and distributors, not receivers of abortion pills.
Congress amended Comstock_Act_of_1873 to remove the prohibition on contraceptives in 1971.

Please change

The project seeks to restore Trump-era "religious and moral exemptions" to contraceptive requirements under the Affordable Care Act, including emergency contraception (Plan B), which it deems an abortifacient,

The project seeks to restore Trump-era "religious and moral exemptions" to contraceptive requirements under the Affordable Care Act,

Because

Attributed quotes are required for Rolling Stone on political topics. See WP:ROLLINGSTONEPOLITICS
The Rolling Stone article says
Students for Life, one of the largest anti-abortion groups in the country and a prominent lobbying force for anti-choice policies, lists virtually all forms of hormonal contraception as being “abortifacient” medication on their website.
Student For Life does not represent the views of Project 2025.

Xiruizhao (talk) 00:36, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

References

Durkee, Alison. "Project 2025 Explained: What To Know About The Controversial Right-Wing Policy Map For Trump—As Director Steps Down". Forbes. Archived from the original on August 3, 2024. Retrieved August 3, 2024. Trump has also seemingly endorsed Heritage's policy work in the past, saying at a 2022 dinner for the Heritage Foundation that the group was "going to lay the groundwork and detail plans for exactly what our movement will do … when the American people give us a colossal mandate."
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Ramirez, Nikki McCann (February 23, 2024). "The Right Is Cracking Down on Abortion and IVF. Is 'Recreational Sex' Next?". Rolling Stone. Archived from the original on May 15, 2024. Retrieved May 14, 2024.

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