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Semi-protected edit request on 24 December 2016

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Please add in that she never shows her face. 173.165.95.217 (talk) 00:10, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

The article already mentions that in several places and also discusses her wigs. -- Ssilvers (talk) 01:18, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

Zero 7 are English, from England. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 106.154.35.57 (talk) 08:21, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

Libby award

The reference to the Libby Award nomination in 2016 should be changed to past tense - "was nominated". 50.37.98.227 (talk) 07:52, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Agreed. Done. -- Ssilvers (talk) 08:05, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

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Resolved

Sia no longer plans to release her Christmas album, Everyday is Christmas, as she released it today. AlexGan001 (talk) 17:08, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

I've updated the article. ---Another Believer (Talk) 17:20, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

Delete a revision

How can i delete this revision? I've been trying to delete this revision by a possible vandal. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/Special:MobileDiff/883362085 Seby1541 (talk) 00:38, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

The vandalism has been reverted. -- Ssilvers (talk) 21:08, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

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Nice article but still a few uncited parts. Векочел (talk) 02:58, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

Everything is cited, passing now Векочел (talk) 16:33, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

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Personal life

It's an encyclopedia. Are all the details needed?Xx236 (talk) 09:46, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

Check some of the sources, esp. the New York Times article, she talks quite openly about those things. Feel free to rewrite some of it though. Karst (talk) 10:06, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

I do believe we should include the fact that she is 6 years sober as of September 10th, 2016 (I apologize if I am not using this feature properly, I just want to mention that it should be noted as a Sia super-fan LOL) Soapykitten (talk) 06:57, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

If you have a WP:RS that states that information, please let us know. See also WP:V for more information. -- Ssilvers (talk) 09:05, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

She performed "How to Breathe" on the Australian soap opera "Home and Away" in 1997 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.190.200.81 (talk) 17:07, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

Separation; Non-notable spouse in infobox

I've updated the article to show the separation. I also removed the parameter for Spouse from the infobox, as the spouse is not notable. -- Ssilvers (talk) 05:01, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

"Angel By the Wings"

It seems to me like all of the songs that Sia has cowritten/written or covered/sung for movie or documentary soundtracks such as "One Candle" have been put in the "Life and Career" section of the page as opposed to the "Other Ventures" section where "Angel By the Wings" has been put. It seems that the "Other Ventures" had been reserved for the projects she had done that did not involve singing/songwriting and I feel it would work better for the consistency of the page for the bit about that song ("Sia wrote and recorded "Angel By the Wings", the title song for the documentary film The Eagle Huntress, which premiered in 2016 at the Sundance Film Festival.") to be put in the "Life and Career" section. Soapykitten (talk) 07:17, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

Her "career" is as a singer and songwriter. The "Other ventures" section is specifically for things other than singing and songwriting. So, if I understand what you are saying above, I disagree. -- Ssilvers (talk) 09:05, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

Requested move 10 April 2017

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The result of the move request was: Moved per consensus — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:53, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

Sia Furler → Sia (musician) – Okay, I get that this has been discussed a billion times now, but I really think at this point, it is perfectly appropriate to revert the article back to "Sia (musician)". Most of my reasons are in agreement with the successful move request from November 2014, and she is definitely just known by her first name, Sia, per WP:COMMONNAME. I saw that the move request back to "Sia Furler" in April 2015 mentioned that her last name is sometimes used in news articles, but at this point, I think very few people really know that her last name is Furler because she just goes by her first name when it comes to music. It has been two years since the last move request, and in that time she has had even bigger hit songs, such as "Cheap Thrills" and "The Greatest". Plus, her discography page is titled Sia discography, not "Sia Furler discography". So therefore, I think now is the right time to get rid of Sia's last name from the article title and replace it with "(musician)". 76.116.198.27 (talk) 04:57, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

I do not have a dog in this race, but may I ask: Who would change all the links to Sia Furler? There are more than 1,000 of them. -- Ssilvers (talk) 05:39, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
Well, the links would still work, via a redirect. In terms of what name other articles actually display, while consistency would be nice, if some aren't changed they'll still get you to the same point even if nobody changes them. So it's not really an argument that can be used against the proposed move, which I would support. Jellyman (talk) 10:46, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
I think it's irresponsible to change article names without changing all the links immediately afterwards. If you change an article name, you are undertaking to personally correct all the links. -- Ssilvers (talk) 17:19, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
Well if the page gets moved, I think it would be right to change whatever links you can. But I wouldn't worry about going through all that trouble until the page is actually moved, because this isn't about fixing the links. 76.116.198.27 (talk) 21:37, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
Dear IP, your response shows that you do not understand the seriousness of what you are asking us to do. This is not a trivial matter, and I don't see you committing to do the hard work of cleaning up after the name change. Therefore, I am going to oppose the page move until you can assure me that someone will take responsibility for updating all the links after the move. -- Ssilvers (talk) 22:02, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
Oh okay, then I sincerely apologize to you and I will do my best to fix the links. 76.116.198.27 (talk) 23:11, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
Thank you. -- Ssilvers (talk) 00:35, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
I'm sorry, SSilvers, I fail to understand your problem here. I say again: redirects exist! The links will still work! What will happen that is so terrible if the page is moved? Jellyman (talk) 23:18, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Support as per nom & COMMONNAME - Obviously she's known as Sia and having it as "(musician)" also stops the RMs if she gets married - So it turns out this was originally moved in 2016 per this discussion and somehow I was unaware of it all - The previous discussion wasn't an RM so therefore as a procedural thing this should be moved back to Sia (musician) and IMHO all 6 participants in the non-RM should be made to fix the links. –Davey2010 23:25, 10 April 2017 (UTC)(updated 00:46, 11 April 2017 (UTC))
    @Davey2010: Nope, it was moved per proper, if closely contested, /Archive 2#Requested move 5. Where you participated, too. No such user (talk) 13:37, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Not sure what happened there - I could've swore I saw "not moved" unless I was looking at the wrong one!, No idea but clearly I was wrong so have struck, Thanks for noticing the odd cock up. –Davey2010 15:39, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Support. Mononymous performers, who are sufficiently notable to become unchallenged subjects of Misplaced Pages entries, should be listed under the stage name which they use as their public persona (Madonna (entertainer), rather than Madonna Ciccone). Another such current nomination is Kim Yeri‎ →‎ Yeri. Not all of these type of nominations succeed, however, two recent ones failed to obtain consensus — Svetlana Loboda‎ →‎ Loboda and another one (Bethany Dillon‎ →‎ Bethany Barnard), which centered upon a name change, but not mononymity. Although I support this nomination on general principle, it would seem that a more-precise qualifier would be Sia (singer) per some of the previous nominations, above. —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 00:31, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Support. Not known at all with the surname. I usually prefer natural disambiguation, but this seems like a pretty obvious place to avoid it. If I were to show someone the title "Sia Furler" I would definitely bet they wouldn't recognize it. "Sia (singer)" or similar makes it far more clear it's the musician. Nohomersryan (talk) 16:20, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Oppose per WP:NATURALDIS. Her last name is widely recognizable and used in reliable sources, so it's suitable natural disambiguation, which is generally preferable to parentheses.--Cúchullain /c 19:44, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Sia Furler on Google News has 24,200 results whereas Sia has 9,070,000 results so although both are recognised the latter is by far the one used the most, That said not every RM goes by pageviews either. –Davey2010 20:40, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
Yes, "Sia" is the most used, but it's not available due to other things called Sia. The question is whether her last name is widely used enough to serve as natural disambiguation. I'd say so, as it's appearing in tens of thousands of news sources.--Cúchullain /c 21:29, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Oppose per previous RM. The last name is used because it is a natural disambiguation where it is Using an alternative name that the subject is also commonly called in English reliable sources, albeit not as commonly as the preferred-but-ambiguous title. As previously stated in numerous RMs (and in this discussion) the artist is known as Sia Furler in numerous sources and this does not have to be more commonly than the usage of Sia, alone. WP:COMMONNAME falls down, in this instance, as (musician) is not a natural disambiguation. It is also in dispute with (singer), which is counter-proposed above (and previously). The artist has performed, written and produced work using the name Sia Furler. She is more than a (musician), more than a (singer) and Furler naturally shows the differences between her and other types of Sia. As for changing her last name if she marries again, it does not mean we change the wikipage: when married to Erik Anders Lang how often was she referred to as Sia Lang?shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 22:06, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Support The last name is not a natural disambiguation, but makes the page even more ambiguous. Who knows the family name? The most of the people searching for Sia, specially for the first time, don't know it and learn it from here! They just know how she's called on the radio, on the media and on the cover of her CSs, so the best way to make the voice not ambiguous is to append "musician" to her Mononymous. --Angelo Mascaro (talk) 05:30, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
From the link you supply @George Ho:: «Only if the single name is used as a true artist's name (stage name, pseudonym, etc.) can the recommendations of Nicknames, pen names, stage names, cognomens below be followed.» and this is exactly the case. --Angelo Mascaro (talk) 09:55, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
Umm... no longer opposing after re-reading the WP:NCP. Using the Prince example, "Sia (musician)" would be more pleasing, even when not convenient, to many people. Still, after the failed attempt to change from "(musician)" to "(singer)", I wonder whether most people will still see her as a "musician". The 2015 RM result was "not moved", yet the votes were divided. I still think "Furler" is the best compromise, but I guess it's no longer pleasing the masses. --George Ho (talk) 20:13, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Weak Support - Looking over the previous discussions any designation in brackets means further endless discussion. Personally I do not understand why. See for instance Sting (musician), an artist who also writes music and has acted in a number of films. The designation in brackets needs to highlight what the artist is notable for. If that cannot be agreed upon, I suppose that the current status with the surname is the best compromise. Unless there are other suggestions? Karst (talk) 08:41, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
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Filmography

Could someone please add the section tag for "In Popular Culture"

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to this section... or re-edit the section. It's VERY unclear that her appearances are as an actress or even that they are cameo appearances. It might be better to include this as a paragraph "Appearances in other Media" or similar. 49.199.117.132 (talk) 22:34, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

No, it is not an "In popular culture" section. Sia has not appeared in these films: Instead, the filmography includes films in which Sia's songs (all original songs?) appeared in the films' soundtracks. -- Ssilvers (talk) 05:46, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

Associated Acts

I tried adding an associated acts section to her info box and it got deleted by another user. Most other music artists on Misplaced Pages have an associated acts section on their page so why can't Sia have it? My deleted edit was:

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Nicholas S8 (talk) 04:02, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Infoboxes (if one thinks that they are useful at all) are intended to "summarize ... key facts that appear in the article". To use space at the top of the article to list all of these "associated acts" of Sia would be a poor choice, because these names are not "key facts" about Sia. Most of the people you listed have very little to do with Sia's career success. Sia's most important association with another performer is undoubtedly Maddie Ziegler, who dances in her most popular videos and on stage during most of her performances, whom you did not list. Do you have WP:Reliable sources that state that each of the people you listed are "associated acts" of Sia? What exactly do you mean by an "associated act"? It is not defined in Misplaced Pages, and it is hard to find good definitions elsewhere. So, I strongly oppose adding the field to the infobox. -- Ssilvers (talk) 05:01, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
I agree with Ssilvers above; the information cited is not necessary in the infobox. Jack1956 (talk) 08:49, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
I agree. Most of these artistes don't even rate a mention in the article, so I'm not sure that they can be seen as defining characteristics of Sia. I'm always very sceptical of the people who are crowbarred into the "associated act" sections of infoboxes. The phrase has such an ill-defined meaning, it lacks any credibility. - SchroCat (talk) 15:39, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
I also agree with the above statements by Ssilvers. Sia has collaborated with many artists. None of them, with the exception of Maddie Ziegler and perhaps the team for Sia's videos, should be considered an "associated act". Somambulant1 (talk) 16:49, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Fair enough. The people who I put were music artists who I am aware have collaborated with her but I understand and respect your decision not to have them on the page. Nicholas S8 (talk) 04:07, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

Changing Main Picture

I think its about time I asked this, but I feel life she is more iconicly known for the picture that doesn't show her face. But this is just a question. (Added by User:DJBay123 on 23 September 2017)

Please sign your posts on Talk pages. To answer your question: yes, of course we would like to add a more recent image. Do you have a recent copyright-free, public domain image? -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:34, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
SiaFurler Live2016.jpg is more recent, and has her in one of her characteristic wigs. Umimmak (talk) 03:38, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

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photo

Image has been deleted as being a copyvio (done by yours truly), Infobox image changes need to be discussed here first. –Davey2010 16:34, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

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File:Sia Kate Isobelle Furler press photo 2018.png is low quality, has been heavily photoshopped, and looks nothing like her normal appearance (unnatural skin tone + hair). No reason to change from the photo that has been there for years. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.44.162.234 (talk) 10:54, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

Agreed. Besides that, I don't think it should be used in the article unless permission is confirmed. Melonkelon (talk) 04:09, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
This is not the best way to depict Sia. ---Another Believer (Talk) 04:25, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
I Disagree. This is a good photo for the Lead section for at least three reasons: First, it is a recent photo. Second, it accurately depicts Sia's goofy sense of humor. Third, it respects her stated policy of not showing her face in a recognizable way that would decrease her privacy in public. I see that an e-mail has been sent to OTRS regarding the permission. Assuming that OTRS clears the image as free, I vote to Keep it. Obviously, if OTRS says it is not free, we will remove it. -- Ssilvers (talk) 05:46, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
I am in favor of keeping the photo if it is cleared as free to use. If I am not mistaken, the photo was taken and originally posted on social media by Sia's personal makeup artist. The image does not appear to be photo-shopped, but simply shows Sia's appearance (with a humorous expression) when the makeup artist had finished her hair and makeup. Somambulant1 (talk) 16:40, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
Sia thought it was appropriate enough to post on her instagram and twitter accounts and to use it for her latest video on SiaVEVO. Just saying. Maybe you can convince her otherwise. Somambulant1 (talk) 17:40, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
Dear Davey, you misunderstand the history here. User:DoubleuWW added the image, and an IP was edit warring to remove it. Somambulant and I simply disagreed and employed the WP:BRD process to ask the IP to bring the discussion here to the talk page. Thank you for contributing to the discussion, but you should wait to revert until the discussion is finished. -- Ssilvers (talk) 17:49, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
Hi Ssilver, DWW added it and the IP reverted ... so at that point DWW should've come here .... As I said that image does not belong here however if yourself or the above want to start an RFC then I'd have no objections. –Davey2010 17:55, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
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I am just now seeing this as I don't come to Misplaced Pages that often anymore. I don't agree with an involved editor closing a discussion but doesn't look like I have enough skin in the game because I don't edit that often. I actually requested this image from the label as I have with many others and confirmed with them they sent permission so there should be no copyright issues. For the sake of avoiding the ever so common Wiki-drama, I have reached out to see if they are willing to send something newer than currently on the page and something that won't fall into the WP:IDONTLIKEIT category. --DoubleuWW (talk) 07:34, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

Without sounding disrespectful - Exactly you don't come here often or at all so it seems odd you would want to change the image ....., If the image was up and I closed it then yes I would be INVOLVED however the image was deleted and it seemed unlikely it would reappear so personally I wouldn't say I was INVOLVED, No need to ask them - The image we have is absolutely fine, Please remember we're an encycloedpia not Facebook or Twitter. –Davey2010 12:42, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

Translations from the Italian

OK, so the additions I've been making recently are because an editor over at Italian Misplaced Pages, Samu204c, approached me for help in translating portions of the Italian article and adding them to the English one, noting that the Italian article was many bytes larger. Samu204c is a major, probably the major, contributor to Sia over there, and he asked me to help out because I like to translate Italian. Just thought I'd explain what I was doing here as an intermediary who is not an expert on the subject but just wanted to help out. If you guys and Samuele could discuss and reach a consensus on augmenting the article from Italian to English, I'm available to help with translations; otherwise, I have no contribution of my own to propose. Johanna-Hypatia (talk) 09:50, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. There may be some useful information in the Italian article, but the vast majority of the information that you added either repeated material that is already in this article, unreferenced, or poorly referenced. More troubling is that often the sources did not support the assertions made. Some of the information belongs in the sub-articles for the albums themselves. A lot of it was WP:NOT encyclopedic. You shouldn't just translate things and add them in without considering the material that is already in the rest of the album. Note that the content standards for Italian Misplaced Pages are lower than for English Misplaced Pages. -- Ssilvers (talk) 18:11, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
Johanna-Hypatia, before adding information into the article, please make sure that what you plan to add is not (i) already contained in the article, (ii) more appropriate for one of the sub-articles about the subject's albums, discography, list of awards, etc or, (iii) unreferenced. It is also important to check the references you add to make sure they're reliable sources – not blogs or amateur music websites, and that each reference actually and directly supports the statements made. I hope this comment is helpful. – Tim riley talk 22:43, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
The above posts by Ssilvers and Tim riley provide important information and helpful recommendations which should be adopted when making any future edits. Somambulant1 (talk) 19:18, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

Hello,

I'm Samu204c, and actually in Italy I'm the major contributor to the Sia page.
On wiki-it all those informations was considered valid by community. I assume therefore the guidelines are slightly different between Wiki-Eng and Wiki-Ita (Maybe, on Wiki-Ita, guidelines are more...lighter?).
I'm noticing this right now.
I don't understand the cancellation of the list of Writer or co-writer of singles. All those singles were written by Sia and not all of them are already listed elsewhere on the page. Also the source cited for this list is undoubtedly reliable. For all these reasons, I think that motives for the cancellation of that section are insufficient. On the other cancellation, instead, I agree with you.
My greetings! --Samu204c (talk) 23:31, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
I apologize for any errors, but as noted above, I don't have an advanced knowledge of English
Hello, Samu. Your English is quite good, and I understand all of your points. First, I agree that the guidelines are different here. I have posted some links to your Talk page, which I hope will be helpful. Second, I don't think that adding up the global sales of Sia's singles is encyclopedic information unless you can find WP:Reliable sources that state that the figure is significant. You will notice that none of the WP:Featured articles on singers include that kind of information. Third, extensive and detailed information about Sia's singles can be found at Sia discography, rather than here. Just a housekeeping suggestion: If you put all of your comments together in one paragraph like this one, it is easy for the readers of this page to find each person's contributions. -- Ssilvers (talk) 23:41, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

LSD

See also: Talk:LSD_(group) § Page_move

The three artists have only collaborated on one song. That is merely a collaboration, not a "supergroup", despite what some of the optimistic press calls it. This is a case of WP:CRYSTAL. -- Ssilvers (talk) 22:36, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

I disagree, but I don't feel so strongly to change the article. Sources use the word "supergroup" quite often. ---Another Believer (Talk) 00:44, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
Well, it now looks like they actually will release an album, so I don't mind it being called a "group". I don't think the "super" is encyclopedic. See WP:PROMO. -- Ssilvers (talk) 03:09, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
If reliable sources call it a "supergroup", it is a supergroup and that is what we should call it. (It's encyclopedic because it is a widely recognized term. It's not saying the group is "great" (after all, while Cream was super, GTR was anything but). - SummerPhD 03:30, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
See the last argument made at the prior discussion, Talk:LSD_(group)#Page_move, where someone explains that "group" is the proper name to use under Misplaced Pages guidelines. -- Ssilvers (talk) 13:39, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

Source

For future expansion:

---Another Believer (Talk) 22:02, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

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