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Reviewer: Keilana (talk · contribs) 01:10, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
Hello Dana! I'm going to copyedit a bit as I go; anything that might accidentally change the meaning I'll stick with the rest of the comments below.
- Can you explain further what "four-beat broken diagonal gait" means for us non-horse types?
- Done. Oakley77 (talk) 00:01, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
- Keilana, do you mean in the lead or in the Characteristics section? If the latter, I'm really not sure how to explain it any better than the successive sentences do, although I might be able to tweak something specific if I knew which part of this you found the most confusing. Basically, "four-beat" explains the number of beats (a walk/amble is four, a true trot is two, a canter is three). "Diagonal" means the legs move in diagonal pairs (front left with rear right and front right with left rear), and "broken" means that one leg in each pair comes down before the other, unlike a trot where both legs in a pair leave and hit the ground at the same time (resulting in the two-beat gait). Dana boomer (talk) 15:46, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
- I meant in the lead, I got a better picture later on. Keilana| 16:08, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
- OK, I've played with the lead a bit - better? Dana boomer (talk) 17:04, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
- Yes, much better. Keilana| 21:46, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
- OK, I've played with the lead a bit - better? Dana boomer (talk) 17:04, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
- I meant in the lead, I got a better picture later on. Keilana| 16:08, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
- Keilana, do you mean in the lead or in the Characteristics section? If the latter, I'm really not sure how to explain it any better than the successive sentences do, although I might be able to tweak something specific if I knew which part of this you found the most confusing. Basically, "four-beat" explains the number of beats (a walk/amble is four, a true trot is two, a canter is three). "Diagonal" means the legs move in diagonal pairs (front left with rear right and front right with left rear), and "broken" means that one leg in each pair comes down before the other, unlike a trot where both legs in a pair leave and hit the ground at the same time (resulting in the two-beat gait). Dana boomer (talk) 15:46, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
- Done. Oakley77 (talk) 00:01, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
- What does "eliminating the moment of suspension and giving a smooth ride said to also be sure-footed" mean?
- Changed to make sense. Oakley77 (talk) 00:01, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
- I've rewritten this a bit, but don't know if it helped. Basically, a two-beat gait (the trot) can be very bouncy, due to the jarring when two legs hit the ground simultaneously. When you move this to a sliding four-beat gait, it smooths out the ride considerably. Dana boomer (talk) 15:46, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
- Oh, that makes sense. I keep learning things about horses from you two! Keilana| 21:46, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
- I've rewritten this a bit, but don't know if it helped. Basically, a two-beat gait (the trot) can be very bouncy, due to the jarring when two legs hit the ground simultaneously. When you move this to a sliding four-beat gait, it smooths out the ride considerably. Dana boomer (talk) 15:46, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
- Changed to make sense. Oakley77 (talk) 00:01, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
- Am I correct in saying that a "four-beat gait" is one where you can hear four beats and a "two-beat gait" is one where you can hear two beats? Because that's what I'm understanding from the article as it stands.
- To be honest, I am not a horse expert of any sort, so I understand it the same way as well. Oakley77 (talk) 00:01, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
- Yes, explained a bit more above. Dana boomer (talk) 15:46, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
- Gotcha. 21:46, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
- Yes, explained a bit more above. Dana boomer (talk) 15:46, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
- To be honest, I am not a horse expert of any sort, so I understand it the same way as well. Oakley77 (talk) 00:01, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
- Is "medium trot" an established criterion, or just a casual term?
- I believe it is established, but even if it isn't, I don't think it is an issue. Oakley77 (talk) 00:01, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
- An established term. I have linked to Trot (horse gait)#Types of trot. Dana boomer (talk) 15:46, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
- Perfect, thanks. Keilana| 21:46, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
- An established term. I have linked to Trot (horse gait)#Types of trot. Dana boomer (talk) 15:46, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
- I believe it is established, but even if it isn't, I don't think it is an issue. Oakley77 (talk) 00:01, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
- The sentences about its smooth gait in the Ozarks are a teensy bit redundant. A little polish would be nice.
- Done. Oakley77 (talk) 00:01, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
- Tweaked a bit more. Dana boomer (talk) 15:46, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
- That's great. Keilana| 21:46, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
- Tweaked a bit more. Dana boomer (talk) 15:46, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
- Done. Oakley77 (talk) 00:01, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
- Is there more information about their ability to work with cattle?
- Changed sentence to better display meaning. Oakley77 (talk) 00:01, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
- I've reverted Oakley's changes, because they were incorrect. Keilana, I'm not sure exactly what you're asking for here? Basically, they were very close to other stock horse breeds in conformation and temperament - some breeds (and some individual horses) do better at working with cattle than others. For example, any individual American Quarter Horse is much more likely to be good at working cattle than any individual Shetland pony or Suffolk Punch draft horses, simply because of their breeding history, conformation and temperament. Same with Missouri Fox Trotters. Dana boomer (talk) 15:46, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
- And that said, they aren't a stock horse breed. They aren't noted for handling cattle, though if asked to, they have a good disposition and probably can do fine. Montanabw 23:30, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
- They're not a typical stock horse breed now - there's been too much TWH blood added. When they were first developed, they were a lot more like the other stock horse breeds in conformation, and they were noted for working cattle in the Ozarks (not out west, though). More of a specialized stock horse breed, kind of like the Florida Cracker Horse that was great for Florida cattle, but couldn't handle Texan cattle. Dana boomer (talk) 13:28, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
- That makes sense; is there a way you could include a bit of that background? Thanks for the detailed explanation. :) Keilana| 21:46, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
- The problem is that I don't have any sources for the above - it's OR based on quite a bit of reading and general knowledge of horses. I haven't come across any sources that expand on the use of MFTs for cattle work, or about a comparison of their abilities with other stock horse breeds. So, basically, there's not a lot out there that's sourceable, other than that ranchers liked their gaits in rocky terrain and thought they made good cattle horses for the Ozarks, and that's already in the article. Dana boomer (talk) 18:22, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
- That makes sense; is there a way you could include a bit of that background? Thanks for the detailed explanation. :) Keilana| 21:46, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
- They're not a typical stock horse breed now - there's been too much TWH blood added. When they were first developed, they were a lot more like the other stock horse breeds in conformation, and they were noted for working cattle in the Ozarks (not out west, though). More of a specialized stock horse breed, kind of like the Florida Cracker Horse that was great for Florida cattle, but couldn't handle Texan cattle. Dana boomer (talk) 13:28, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
- And that said, they aren't a stock horse breed. They aren't noted for handling cattle, though if asked to, they have a good disposition and probably can do fine. Montanabw 23:30, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
- I've reverted Oakley's changes, because they were incorrect. Keilana, I'm not sure exactly what you're asking for here? Basically, they were very close to other stock horse breeds in conformation and temperament - some breeds (and some individual horses) do better at working with cattle than others. For example, any individual American Quarter Horse is much more likely to be good at working cattle than any individual Shetland pony or Suffolk Punch draft horses, simply because of their breeding history, conformation and temperament. Same with Missouri Fox Trotters. Dana boomer (talk) 15:46, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
- Changed sentence to better display meaning. Oakley77 (talk) 00:01, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
- Why were they trying to reduce the amount of Tennessee Walking Horse blood? That could be interesting to include.
- Added on to this part. Oakley77 (talk) 00:01, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
- Reverted Oakley due to grammatical problems, but added more here that was quite similar to his. Dana boomer (talk) 17:04, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
- That's perfect, thanks. Keilana| 21:46, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
- Reverted Oakley due to grammatical problems, but added more here that was quite similar to his. Dana boomer (talk) 17:04, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
- Added on to this part. Oakley77 (talk) 00:01, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
- Is there anything special about MFTs in Europe? Just curious.
- I did a bit of research, and considering there is only 600, nothing really interesting appeared. Oakley77 (talk) 00:01, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
- Added some to the history section on their history in Europe. Nothing really special about the horses themselves - they're the same as in the US. Dana boomer (talk) 17:04, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
- That's fine, the bit about the Queen is a nice touch. Keilana| 21:46, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
- Added some to the history section on their history in Europe. Nothing really special about the horses themselves - they're the same as in the US. Dana boomer (talk) 17:04, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
- I did a bit of research, and considering there is only 600, nothing really interesting appeared. Oakley77 (talk) 00:01, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
- The bit about the first descent of the Grand Canyon was interesting!
- I though it was too! Oakley77 (talk) 00:01, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for another excellent horse article! As always, I learned a lot about something I don't specialize in. Keilana| 01:10, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
- Please note the concerns raised at WT:GAN#Oakley77 block. --Rschen7754 05:39, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
- Keilana, thanks again for taking on this review. Your edit to the article looks good - no changed meanings. I have answered everything above, although I'm not sure I have addressed everything to your satisfaction - please let me know if there is additional work to be done. Dana boomer (talk) 17:04, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
- I'm glad to help as well. I was lead editor on the ambling article and can clarify any stuff on the gaits. Montanabw 23:30, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
- Awesome, thanks to both of you for your conscientious work and your patience. Just one more thing I believe, and then I'm happy to pass. Keilana| 21:46, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
- I'm glad to help as well. I was lead editor on the ambling article and can clarify any stuff on the gaits. Montanabw 23:30, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
- Keilana, thanks again for taking on this review. Your edit to the article looks good - no changed meanings. I have answered everything above, although I'm not sure I have addressed everything to your satisfaction - please let me know if there is additional work to be done. Dana boomer (talk) 17:04, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the explanation above, this meets the GA criteria and I'm happy to pass. Nice job! Keilana| 20:11, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
- Thank you very much! Dana boomer (talk) 21:26, 21 June 2012 (UTC)