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New geographical template

Hi Nazbleezy! I appreciate your efforts to fix the issues with the pushpin maps. However, it appears that the template you created does not work, and does not have the correct geographical coordinates (for example, it showed Nablus in a completely incorrect location with the correct coordinates). I have removed the map for now, in order not to mislead readers; please take a look! Cheers, Ynhockey 21:33, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Hi again! The parameters on the map template are fairly self-explanatory: 'top' means the top edge of the map (in this case, somewhere around Hasbaya), the 'bottom' is the bottom edge, which is just south of the northern tip of Saudi Arabia, etc. It will be fairly difficult to get anything accurate if you're going to guess, therefore I suggest using Google Maps and a test template to get it right. Cheers, Ynhockey 21:38, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

P.S. Sorry, I meant of course the larger Israel map. The edges on the smaller territories map are different. -- Ynhockey 21:39, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

It's correct on the large map, yes. However, I thought you wanted to use the smaller map. Let me know if I can assist you in figuring out the coordinates. -- Ynhockey 21:43, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

See User:Ynhockey/Template, User:Ynhockey/Call, User:Ynhockey/Call2 and User:Ynhockey/Call3. I think Call (1) is not necessary, but the others are, to really test this stuff. Cheers, Ynhockey 21:52, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

I've made a few tweaks. It appears to be properly aligned now, although I only tested a few points. -- Ynhockey 22:28, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Great idea Nableezy! The map looks good, but two things: First, could you add the name of the locality next to the red indicator point? Second, is it possible to sort of widen the map so that it fits the infobox properly more suitably? Other than these two minor things, the map is great. Also, it has revealed that Gaza has had inaccurate coordinates which need to be fixed (Gaza is not in the ocean). Also, you thanks for reminding me about the GA review. It's been over a month since it has been on hold - the reviewer seems to be very busy in real life, so I'm going to give him a little reminder. Cheers! --Al Ameer son (talk) 00:03, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Excellent. Eventually, we should zoom in on the maps into four general regions: Gaza Strip; southern West Bank (centered around Hebron), Central West Bank (centered on Jerusalem and including Ramallah and Bethlehem), and northern West Bank (centered on Nablus). Perhaps, Jenin and Tubas could be split from a potential Nablus region, but this could be handled when we get that far. I myself am not so knowledgeable when it comes to maps, but you and Ynhockey seen to have skill here. --Al Ameer son (talk) 00:21, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Fine job, Nab. My only reservation is 'Palestinian territories', but that can wait. Thanks once more.Nishidani (talk) 10:39, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

There doesn't appear to be anything wrong with the template at first glance, but you should test it first, because as you said yourself, it's used by a lot of articles. Also, you might want to crop and re-align the image, I think its size could be reduced in order not to hurt short pages/stubs too much. Cheers, Ynhockey 12:16, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

I don't think there's any alternative than to use Mandatory Palestine. I'm not sure what you mean about the coords. You're saying in addition to adding "pushpin_map=blank" we have to the "latd=" and "long=" to the infobox, right? --Al Ameer son (talk) 21:54, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Oh ok. That could be taken care of easily. On a totally separate note, I've been reading up on Abdel Nasser and I think I'll be ready to commit to his article in a week. Regards, --Al Ameer son (talk) 00:08, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

WPP

We invite you to join WikiProject Palestine. There you can also find and coordinate with users who are trying to improve Palestine-related articles. If you would like to get involved, just visit the members page or inquire at the project's talk page. If you have any questions, feel free to contact me or other members of the WikiProject Palestine.Happy editing, Falastine fee Qalby (talk) 03:09, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

I thought you were already a member. -Falastine fee Qalby (talk) 03:09, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Al Ameer son invited me a while back, I'll think about it but I don't think I can contribute that much to that specifically, I am much more read up on Egyptian history. I'll think about again, but thanks for the invite. Nableezy (talk) 03:24, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Seriously, Nableezy, do I have to add your name to the list myself? You make plenty of valuable contributions to Palestine-related article, way more than I do and yet I am a member. BTW excellent work adding the pushpin maps! --Falastine fee Qalby (talk) 06:04, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Chill, be a bad association for the project to have my sinnin name on the list ;) Nableezy (talk) 06:10, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

You have been accused of some things but they are nothing compared to what I have been accused of . Ha! -Falastine fee Qalby (talk) 18:16, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

But honestly, I am becoming somewhat disenchanted with this place, let's just see how long I stay around. Nableezy (talk) 06:19, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

That would make sense if you were in stressful predicament in which you are being treated unfairly by the rest of community here. But you are not, so what's the problem? -Falastine fee Qalby (talk) 18:16, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

I havent had personal problems, I just dont like how things are done here. Some people put a lot of time into research to get a complete perspective, another googles for some obscure phrase and demand that both be given equal weight. That pisses me off, almost to the point where I want to say fuck it, this is useless. My problems here dont involve my interactions with others, it involves the very nature of this place. Some of the major articles are so completely fucked up I almost don't even want to work on them, there isn't even a point. I dont know, I recognize that it is important to have good articles on this topic, it is the first google result on almost any search term. But at the same time, I also think that anybody who is dumb enough to use wikipedia as a primary resource for even the least controversial topics is an idiot, so why should I care if that idiot remains misinformed? I dont know, we'll see. Nableezy (talk) 18:49, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

I agree with you 100 percent. And another thought that I would add is that the people responsible for Misplaced Pages topping search results are the editors and not the readers. I really doubt most editors feel that Misplaced Pages is a legitimate encyclopedia and I strongly doubt they read most of the articles they edit. Nevertheless, many people do use Misplaced Pages as their number one source for information... and the project hasn't gone to the dogs just yet, so I plan to fix up as much as I can and I hope you continue with your cleanup/fixing. --Falastine fee Qalby (talk) 22:48, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

"Some of the major articles are so completely fucked up I almost don't even want to work on them, there isn't even a point".....I feel the same way. If you look at the whole occupied vs disputed etc naming/description issues across articles it's a mess. It made me wonder whether the WikiProject Palestine should perhaps work on and advocate standardised/template-like descriptions (with a standard set of refs) for certain terminology so that a standard set of information is used in all relevant articles. In other words, if the article mentions/deals with the occupied territories in any way a standard chunk of text+refs is included. It would need a lot of effort to get consensus for it but it would be simpler and more stable. Sean.hoyland - talk 00:43, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

I am not familiar with the disputes over naming/description issues, but you're welcome to place this suggestion on WPP talk where many members are familiar and/or involved with these issues. Not sure if you have an interest in Palestinian issues (just seen you on the Gaza offensive article), but I invite you to join the project because you have good ideas... that and you are pro-Palestinian (which means you are much beloved) :D--Falastine fee Qalby (talk) 03:04, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Sean is not pro-Palestinian, in fact he is a bit of a flip-flopper in who he appears to support. Apparently, Sean is both a supporter of antisemitic Islamic terrorism as well as being an Islamophobic racist who hates all Muslims. He may perhaps support Palestinian Christians. Not sure about that one, as he may also violenty oppose Christendom as well. Nableezy (talk) 03:14, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Well he seems nice, but of course no one can be trusted. Even you Nableezy, primarily because you're Egyptian, no one knows which side you guys are one. hehe another lowblow--Falastine fee Qalby (talk) 16:43, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the invite. Yes, I've had an interest in Palestinian issues for years having been enlightened by living in the middle east and I'm undeniably pro-Palestinian I suppose but I try to suppress that and stay neutral here. Not always easy given the amount of bogus bullshit disinformation/partisan editing here on issues that involve Israel e.g. Golan_heights#Current_status. This is the kind of stuff I mean about occupied vs disputed over at the Israel article. I joined the discussion as a kind of social experiment to what kind of strategies pro-Israeli editors use to counter policy/guidelines. It's quite informative hence the idea that this kind of thing is perhaps best dealt with via standard chunks of text+refs as agreed building blocks. I'll drop by WPP talk at some point. I probably won't join for now because I might be assigned a task that don't have time to complete. Sean.hoyland - talk 04:34, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks

I'll pony up gratitude with a moral. Not strange you should find the flagicon there, similar history. When the Basque soccer team first visited London, they were unfamiliar with buses, trains, elevators, and what not, and the worst tribulation they suffered was being booked into the Ritz. Revolving doors had been installed, and the whole team squeezed into the one section, and the doors jammed. It took hours to get them out, and as a bobby quipped. 'It just goes to show. As the proverb says: Never put all your Basques into one exit." Nishidani (talk) 07:51, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

plenty people got jokes, but i defy anybody else who sees this to come up with something funnier than that, doesn't even need the punchline; or another all-timer, 'as tight as a nun's nasty'. Nableezy (talk) 08:26, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Game 6 of the 1998 NBA Finals

On April 12, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Game 6 of the 1998 NBA Finals, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Shubinator (talk) 21:29, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Mandate pushpin map

Hi Nableezy! I noticed that you made a British Mandate pushpin map. It appears that the map is actually based on the 1949 armistice lines (noticeable in the northeastern section) and not the British mandate. Please fix this if you have time. Thanks, Ynhockey 23:53, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

I thought you based it off File:Israel location map.svg. Anyway, the mistake is the Israel–Syria DMZ (which should be 100% part of the Mandate) which is shown on the original map, but in your map it is part of Syria. One of my earliest maps shows the DMZ as well. --Ynhockey 00:09, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Well, it looks great to me. I was thinking you could still use the map with the outline for the Wes Bank and Gaza, so it would show how most of the villages are in what was conquered in 1948, but having British Mandate boundaries of the districts showing on the map might be even better. Either way, having a map in itself is a great improvement. So whatever you decide is cool with me. Thanks for your effort and hard work. Tiamut 07:59, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

I wasn't talking about the Golan Heights. Look at the map again, there's a demilitarized zone there. On my older map it's highlighted in green. On your map it's part of Syria. -- Ynhockey 09:08, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

It's looking much better now! Still three issues left, but they don't have much to do with the mandate so it's kind of OK:

1. The Jordan–Saudi Arabia border is incorrect (there was a land exchange between them in 1965).
2. The southern Dead Sea part is incorrect, although it's also incorrect for the modern map. I don't have an online map from that period to show the exact basin, but see this map (1972) vs. this map (2008). The sea is shrinking with time.
3. There's no Syria–Lebanon border. Might've been intentional, I guess it depends on what period we're talking about. However, since Jordan is shown as entirely separate, I'm assuming that your map must represent 1946–47, when a Syria–Lebanon border did exist.

Cheers, Ynhockey 12:52, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

A dotted line seems fine in principle, but let's see what it looks like before deciding. Unfortunately, the vector editing program I use, CorelDRAW, isn't too good with SVGs (or maybe it's too good and everything else is not as good), so the display is not the same as in browsers (that's why I always release PNGs for maps). Maybe I should download InkScape... --Ynhockey 17:05, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

I will try out InkScape, but CorelDRAW is just really good for general vector editing. It has all the same advanced features (and more) as Adobe Illustrator, which I believe is also not great for SVGs (both have proprietary formats--.CDR and .AI respectively). Anyhow, replacing the current image is fine, since all versions are saved anyway. I will keep a watch on it. --Ynhockey 17:37, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

I don't think there's a way, but IIRC there's an RSS feed for the watchlist, so you can configure that. I don't use RSS at all, so I wouldn't know much about it, maybe ask in their help desk. --Ynhockey 17:42, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Al-Fakhura school incident

You are in violation of WP:3rr. Please reverse your last revert. Also, discussion of what constitutes a reliable source really belongs in the talk page, not an edit summary. No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 09:39, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Go read WP:3RR Nableezy (talk) 13:48, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

And WP:RS Nableezy (talk) 13:49, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Reverting my edit

Excuse me, but I don't know why you reverted my edit. You said that the number given by PCHR in that sentance is their latest release. No, the number is not from the latest release of PCHR, their latest release says 236 combatants (not 223) and 255 policemen (not 167), this is already mentioned at the begining of the paragraph. A source has been given directly from PCHR where it is clearly stated that 236 full blown militants and 255 cops were killed. Also, your sentance didn't have a reference for it's claim.188.2.195.153 (talk) 18:38, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

I am not sure about that, but will look into it. Thanks for the note, Nableezy (talk) 19:56, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

You are correct, my bad. Nableezy (talk) 20:03, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

No problem.188.2.195.153 (talk) 20:05, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Watchlist

I do not think that one can have pages in wiki project "X" show up in the watchlist of wikiproject "Y". Perhaps they know at the help desk? Also, the second half of the major days of Passover start tonight, so I'll be offline again for a couple of days. -- Avi (talk) 18:16, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

• However, you may want to see this: http://toolserver.org/~luxo/gwatch/login.php. Looks promising! -- Avi (talk) 18:18, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the help. After looking at it I'm pretty sure it is not going to be acceptable, though. I actually hate the article so it doesn't hurt my feelings too bad!Cptnono (talk) 07:33, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

10x for discussion

I just wanted to pop up to say hello and thank you for helping me see better the other side of the coin. You were silent on the article talk page regarding last Sean's "break" proposal. It looks reasonable to me. I wanted to make sure that you agree. Keep well, AgadaUrbanit (talk) 21:04, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

And totally agree, Che rulez big time. I just love Buena Vista Social Club performing Hasta Siempre :) AgadaUrbanit (talk) 21:18, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

New pushpin maps

I've noticed that you have been seemingly manually adding pushpin maps to articles. Please note that I made a tool for that purpose, which should speed up the process considerably (paste the coord template there, and get the pushpin map formatting). I will add Mandatory Palestine as an option now. Also, I reiterate the request to fix the Jordan–Saudi Arabia border; I didn't think you'd use the map before fixing this, but since you did, please try to fix this ASAP! Cheers, Ynhockey 00:01, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

P.S. Please consider using a smaller default width for the maps. -- Ynhockey 00:04, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

No response to talk

You failed to fully respond to the talk discussion at . There were several users who endorsed my POV and you failed to recognize those points, simply relying on Cole's by virtue of being a somewhat notable yet partisan and clearly biased professor/activist. Your revert without consensus is beyond irritating. I imagine you're baiting me for an edit war, LOL. Wikifan12345 (talk) 02:07, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

I dont respond to 'Ugh'. And several users also disagree with you. Why dont you wait till the RFC to complete? Nableezy (talk) 02:08, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

RFC? Rationale provided answers all disputes and as I said, you resorted to "Juan cole said so." Your argument went from 1 paragraph to 4 words. I said "ugh" because this was typical. Either response to points, or we cans end this to dispute resolution. Wikifan12345 (talk) 02:28, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

You commented in a section reserved for a 'Request for Comment', aka a part of 'dispute resolution'. The article is about charities accused of having ties to terrorism, and should include notable accusations against charities for having ties to terrorism. Cole's accusation is notable and is an accusation of having ties to terrorism. I dont see what is so hard for you to understand. But I dont really want to know and would rather just have you not post anything to this talk page. Nableezy (talk) 02:44, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

And the response went to 4 words because everything you said was completely irrelevant. It doesn't matter if the US, EU or Israel doesn't consider a group to terrorist, it doesn't matter if you think the group in question is not a terrorist group. All that matters is whether the answer to the question 'is Cole's accusation against a charity of having ties to terrorism notable?' If the answer is yes it goes in, if it is no then it stays out. About the RFC though, I would suggest you make your points and move on, that is not the place to be cluttering it up with arguments (or useless pictures), it is a place for us to get some input from the rest of the community as to what they think. Nableezy (talk) 02:48, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks

I downloaded Inkscape, and will attempt to use it. Good luck with work, and enjoy Egypt! --Fjmustak (talk) 02:26, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for updating the template. I guess we still could upload my versions back to the main ones, this way if any changes are made to the map, they are only done once. I can think of one change that should probably be made. That is to the bodies of water: the Dead Sea was bigger and there was a Lake Hula. I created new files so as not to mess things up. I'll update the old files and request deletion of the duplicates. --Fjmustak (talk) 01:56, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

I don't know what I'm doing wrong. I uploaded the new files, and reverted your changes to the templates, but I still see links to the new files (which should be deleted). I tried shift+reload, but that didn't help. Do changes like these take a while to take effect? Can you request the files I made be deleted, as I don't know the procedure? Shukran. --Fjmustak (talk) 02:14, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanx!

Hi Nableezy. Thanx for the welcome note and for the tips. I will surely need more. I guess we will have a lot to debate about... But your attitude is appreciated. A question, are you from Chicago or somewhere around here? Sceptic Ashdod (talk) 19:21, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

ya Nableezy

No problem bro. That should give me enough time to update all the Palestinian locality populations and raising the quality rating of Saladin, and maybe History of Gaza. Good luck with al-Azhar Mosque (there should be more Egyptian mosque articles) and have a wonderful trip to Egypt. Regards, --Al Ameer son (talk) 04:41, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Belated thanks Nableezy

Your sweet post made me laugh.--G-Dett (talk) 13:24, 17 April 2009 (UTC)