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I don't frakking believe this. {{user|79.78.6.136}} and other users in the 79.78.X.XXX range slapped a sock tag on me just because I kept on removing the inappropos caption in the ] infobox. ''Hay, mga'' ] ''nga naman, lahat gagawin para sirain ka.'' (Trolls will do anything to malign you.) Somebody lay down the law on this guy. thanks.--] (]) 11:22, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
I don't frakking believe this. {{user|79.78.6.136}} and other users in the 79.78.X.XXX range slapped a sock tag on me just because I kept on removing the inappropos caption in the ] infobox. ''Hay, mga'' ] ''nga naman, lahat gagawin para sirain ka.'' (Trolls will do anything to malign you.) Somebody lay down the law on this guy. thanks.--] (]) 11:22, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
*''Aba ikaw pa ang may ganang mang-report dyan?!''' sini ba na- sa atin??? Pokpok ka! --] (]) 14:08, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
*''Aba ikaw pa ang may ganang mang-report dyan?!''' sino ba na- sa atin??? Pokpok ka! --] (]) 14:08, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
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Interested, definitely. Available precisely where and when, I do not know. Hehe. Now if we were talking Baguio 1 ... hehe :-D -- Alternativity (talk) 13:07, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
The Manila Bookfair is fine by me. I do hope my sked will be clear by then. And I know I also have a lot of catching up to do :P hehehe --- Tito Pao (talk) 04:33, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
Wait a minute...when during the Manila Book Fair, and more importantly, where in MOA? The Book Fair may be a bit too busy to discuss more pressing matters. --Sky Harbor06:16, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
Here's my proposal: definitely not in SMX, as many people would be there. Probably in some fast food or coffee place that is near SMX, but not on that building...I haven't been to MOA for some time, so I have yet to scout around for specific suggestions (do please provide suggestions). As for the date and time, either a Saturday or a Sunday, and probably a little after lunch. Or maybe in the morning, so that if we can wrap up early, we can each go to the bookfair to do our own book browsing :P --- Tito Pao (talk) 06:54, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
Sorry for having to ask this, since I was out of the loop for some time :P What documents and/or materials are we expected to bring? --- Tito Pao (talk) 02:06, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
Who's busy on Sept 19? If some of you have to work or study at Saturdays, we can set it on Sept 20, otherwise Sept 19 is best. We can assemble at the bookfair and proceed immediately at the nearest tambayan (maybe Krispy Kreme), this is the map. I can set up updates of the event via twitter (twitter.com/pinoywikipedia). --Exec8 (talk) 06:48, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
I'm for Sept. 20 then. By the time we finish, we'll all be able to come back to the bookfair, each to his own, and perhaps catch up with the last-minute sale of books. So I heard, there may be huge discounts just before the bookfair wraps up (hehehe) --- Tito Pao (talk) 02:19, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
Just in case I can file for leave on a Sunday (DO's on Wed/Thu) and it gets accepted, can I join you guys? It would also be a chance to bust up MOA for the first time ever-don't laugh, the closest I have ever been anywhere near MOA was when I went to the nearby Teletech office to apply for a job in April 2005. --Eaglestorm (talk) 02:31, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
TitanOne and Eaglestorm, you are most welcome and other Wikipedians can join. I would like personally to meet new faces on Philippine meetups. We can also discuss topics other than Wikimedia Philippines that you wish to talk about. --Jojit (talk) 18:42, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
Agenda
Okay, our tentative agenda would be:
Wikimedia Philippines (yet again, since for some reason we can't get it off the ground)
Finalize the Articles of Incorporation (final list of incorporators, directors, contributions, et. al.)
Complete the Bylaws (our template will be the "express-lane" bylaws used by the SEC, with changes to account for Wikimedia-specific provisions in the current bylaws)
Re-evaluate our depository bank
Why did I add this? Because apparently, with the wave of banks actually reducing their interest rates to rates below 1% (Landbank 0.75%, BDO 0.75%, BPI 0.625%, etc.), I'd figure that BDO and Landbank are now neck-and-neck. The only things now separating the two are branch network coverage and initial deposit.
Apply for a WMF grant (possibly)
Why did I add this? Because WMPH may be short on funds, we can ask for a grant from the WMF to get it off the ground. Wikimedia chapters in the Czech Republic, Hungary, Portugal and Ukraine have asked for various start-up funds (heck, Wikimedia Czech Republic asked for funds to set up an actual office), and perhaps we can benefit from that scheme as well. With a reference exchange rate of P48=US$1, the minimum grant given is $500 (P24,000), while the theoretical maximum (there is no definite maximum, but the WMF expects requests to go no further than the theoretical maximum) is $15,000 (P720,000).
Potential projects
Publishing completed Wikibooks to raise funds for WMPH (Florante at Laura, etc.)
Sustainable development of smaller Philippine-language communities
Why did I add this? Because some of the existing language communities are growing at geometric rates which can be considered unsustainable and bad for wiki-depth. Examples include the Waray and Bikol communities.
Anyone else who's interested to join us? Do let yourselves be heard. Maybe we should also leave notes on the Talk pages of previous attendees as a courtesy to them.
(Edit: And since we're on the topic, how about extending the invitation to the other Phil-wikis as well, such as TL and CEB?)
Per discussion, here's the tentative details so far:
Date: Sept. 19 (Sat.) or 20 (Sun), to coincide with the Manila International Bookfair. Sept. 20 (Sun.) was suggested by Exec8 to allow those who have classes/work on Saturdays to participate in the discussions
Time: TBA
Place: somewhere near the SMX (MIBF venue) such as San Miguel by the Bay, Krispy Kreme or any coffeeshop.
Agenda will be per Sky Harbor's post above. Let us know if there are some items that need to be discussed as well.
Since the AOI and by-laws will form part of the agenda, you may want to review them on these pages, as well as the pertinent Talk page discussions on these topics:
Now comes the question...where in MoA? I've seen Exec8's tweet and, from the looks of it, we'll be having it on September 20 (unless someone else objects? :P ). Personally, I'd also like to have it on the 20th. The question is, where in MoA specifically. Or, do we meet first at the SMX and then find a place from there on? --- Tito Pao (talk) 01:39, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
I don't like Krispy Kreme, ang mahal ng doughnuts pareho lang naman ang lasa sa iba. ;) But if there are no other options, then Krispy Kreme will do. I think September 20 is final since nobody objects and it's already posted at the Manila 5 meetup page. --Jojit (talk) 18:41, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
Not on a Sunday
I suggest that in every meet we have preferably not to schedule it on Sundays. We Mormons always respect Sundays as the Day of the Lord and we respect it very much. Any day of the week but not on Sundays.
The meetup is scheduled on a Saturday. If I were to be specific on religions, the problem now no longer falls on Mormons, but on Seventh-Day Adventists. Since it's on a Saturday, I hope you can come. --Sky Harbor06:41, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
Ok, majority wants to do it on Sunday, one opposes. Who wants to do it as a two day event? At least more things to be discussed and more things will be ironed out. Otherwise, we must decide really what is the best day to meet. Maybe as this thread goes on the venue will be questioned...--Exec8 (talk) 02:00, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
I'm happy with either day, pero if it's a two-day thing, there's a possibility that some people cannot make it to DAY2 due to certain emergencies or prior commitments cropping up. To Sky, I hope none of the attendees are SDAs (not that I don't like them) or they could raise the same issue as Geopoet did. --Eaglestorm (talk) 02:10, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
Demographically speaking, the average Filipino Wikipedian is between 18 and 30, male, a resident of Metro Manila, Roman Catholic and educated at least with a college degree. I haven't seen any others deviate from this, and Geopoet is the first Wikipedian that I have seen here who is non-Catholic. However, I do wish that it is on a Saturday. It makes life easier for all of us. Or, if any of you are daring, we can have a Clark 1 (P700 for Manila-Clark and back on Zest Airways). --Sky Harbor07:37, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
I am open to either Saturday or Sunday (unless otherwise I am required to report on a Saturday). I am calling everybody to vote now, if there is no agreement for a unified date then it will be a two day event. For location, Manila so far is the best place to meet, other places if its a vacation leave/ break. --Exec8 (talk) 10:47, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
Actually...for the record, I have a regular (anticipated) mass service on a Saturday, so I should be considered somewhat "sabadista" :PBut since the meet-ups aren't held weekly anyways, I'm willing to make an exception should the meet-up be on a Saturday. Having said that, I'm amenable to either Saturday or Sunday, with a slight preference for Sunday for the sole reason that it's the last day of the Bookfair (and that means, after the meet-up, I might stay in the Bookfair til it closes shop). But as of the moment, I'm not committing (yet) to a specific day. --- Tito Pao (talk) 01:22, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
Saturday or Sunday?
Saturday would be nice because everybody's just laying back. Spiffy ang Sunday because of religious commitments or whathave you. --Eaglestorm (talk) 12:42, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
As of August 24, the agreed date is September 19, 2009, Saturday at the Mall of Asia. I propose 11am as assemble time so we can iron out documents needed and a possible bank deposit on the same day or an agreed bank day. BDO in MoA is open both Sat and Sun unless we still consider LBP. --Exec8 (talk) 11:44, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
Official Date
Its now official. The final date will be September 19, 2009, Saturday. Participants will assemble at the SMX Convention Center (wait for a tweet on exactly where) at 11am and meeting will commence at lunch possibly at a nearby resto, like Razons of Guagua . Bring IDs, pen, notes, (if possible). For first time participants, look at our pictures (Manila 1,2,4) so you know who are the ones you will meet. --Exec8 (talk) 12:17, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
Okay, September 19 it is. Btw, for those who are looking at the pictures: I'm no longer long-haired, so you definitely no longer see me ponytailed in person :P --- Tito Pao (talk) 01:46, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
We dont need to stay long at Burger King, just like the same experience with Kenny's on Manila 1. But once we gather for about an hour there we can go to another place we can brainstorm. So knock on to late comers... --Exec8 (talk) 21:39, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
I usually come early to meetings, so the newcomers can simply look for me :) i'll let you guys know (on the 18th at the latest) what i will be wearing on the meet-up. --- Tito Pao (talk) 02:34, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
I have a disdain for peeking at userpages (because it makes me appear like a stalker), but at least his retirement seems noble enough, not like others who retired in the heat of controversy or argument. Hopefully he will still be involved with WMPH, since that is an off-line, in-real-life endeavor, and not something done online. But anyway, who wants to put him on WP:MW? --Sky Harbor09:08, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
I still stick with the Sept. 19 meetup. It's hitting two birds with one stone, attending both MIBF and Manila 5. --Jojit (talk) 06:54, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
My name shows up on the list of trustees, but not on the list of incorporators. Given Lenticel's situation, if needs must be, then count me in :) --- Tito Pao (talk) 07:10, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
Saturday it is! :) By the way, I was told by family members that besides the Bookfair, MOA will also have the Gary-Martin concert and also a (gasp) sale :P Hope there aren't too many people, and hope we'll get seats at BK the soonest possible... --- Tito Pao (talk) 04:25, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
Look at the pictures in the past meetups: Manila 1, Manila 2 and Manila 4. Take note that Tito Pao is now short-haired while I'm long-haired. Just in case you can't recognize us, I will send you my contact number through the "Email this user" feature of this wiki. --Jojit (talk) 03:59, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
As I"ve mentioned earlier, I'll try to wear something distinctive...maybe a shirt with a unique slogan or design on it. I might also be using a black shoulder bag. --- Tito Pao (talk) 04:26, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
If that's the case can I print a tarp-sized (4ft x 4ft) picture of Tito Pao so that the newer guys can know who to approach? (lol) --TitanOne (talk) 03:58, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
Wow, the WPilipinas people were there in Manila 2. Hopefully they appear on Saturday so we could talk to them about the vandals' "exodus" to their turf.
Naah...even if we talked to Mr. Vibal himself, I don't think they would mind at all, given the all-inclusive nature of WikiPilipinas :| Anyways...I'm not sure I'll be wearing that yellow shirt from Manila 1 on Saturday :P Will keep you guys updated by tomorrow. See you! --- Tito Pao (talk) 02:45, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
HAH, talk about a Wiki being truly something that Misplaced Pages is not. Anyways, for ID purposes, look for a guy wearing either a dark blue shirt, an All Blacks jersey, or a Wallabies jersey. Takta, if not for a company recall on Wednesday, I could have been scouting out MOA that day. Hehe --Eaglestorm (talk) 02:41, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
Thank you for making Manila 5 a success. We finally complete the By-laws and we set the time table of incorporation before November 2009. I would like to request Sky and Pao to provide the summary of the things happened in BK and Krispy Kreme on the Manila 5 meetup page. By the way, I forgot my 6 pc of premium donuts there, I hope that one of you picked it up otherwise it goes to the trash bin :( ... --Exec8 (talk) 14:29, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
IIRW, Sky told us he would insert the revisions after coming home last night because he had lots of work to do today and tomorrow. --Eaglestorm (talk) 02:18, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
These are just ordinary vandals, just revert as unnecessary. An additional tip for fighting vandals, especially for longtime Wikipedians, is to apply for rollback privileges. It's easy. –HowardtheDuck14:41, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
I've also left a user warning on the said vandal's user talk page. That way, he or she will get the message clear that such edits are unacceptable. Let's see how this will work out. --- Tito Pao (talk) 01:25, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
Hi guys, there's this another one who keeps vandalizing although warned many times on his talkpage. User talk:121.54.1.3
Urgh...these are time that I wish I was on Misplaced Pages 24/7 :P My best bet is that some of those edits were made by fanboys from the GMA or ABS-CBN fan forums. I'll add these articles on my watchlist. --- Tito Pao (talk) 03:20, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
were vandalized by various IP addresses. Upon investigation, I figured out that most of the warnings I've given out were from IP addresses in the range 112.20.*.*. I'll be reporting these to WP:ANI for further investigation and action. --- Tito Pao (talk) 09:49, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
Hello, could an admin please move the article back to Cebu International Convention Center? Some n00b moved the article; didn't even care about moving the talk page along with it. As far as I can see, all references point to its name being spelled in American English, not British English. Cheers! — •KvЯt GviЯnЭlБ•17:17, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
I wouldn't necessarily call this user's edits vandalism, but their vague edit summaries ("cleanup", "fixing", etc., used ad nauseam) certainly do not match the edits themselves at times, as had been the cases here, here, and here. It also seems that this user has been editing Visayan-related articles a lot, so I'm thinking we should keep an eye especially on those. --Angelo (talk) 09:34, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
Well, the English Misplaced Pages is certainly notable, but I doubt the same can be said for the Tagalog and Cebuano (and any other local-language Misplaced Pages). The bar for notability is stated in WP:N and there is simply not too many third-party reliable sources talking about these Misplaced Pages editions. Most of the sources talk about the English Misplaced Pages. So I agree with redirection for now. --seav (talk) 01:27, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
I don't agree. If we talk about the "size" of other Wikipedias such as Tosk Albanian, Welsh, Neapolitan, Asturian, Silesian and other Wikipedias, Tagalog and Cebuano have "more" articles (based on this page.). On the same hand, some of other language Wikipedias does not have any external sources except the ISO documentation code site. I think we should have cooperative help to do this thing?--JL 09c03:17, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
The problem there is that local media rarely, if ever, talks about the Cebuano or Tagalog Wikipedias. Oftentimes they talk about the English Misplaced Pages or, because it's supposedly "indigenous", WikiPilipinas. --Sky Harbor05:15, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
The Vibal Foundation and DILA sources don't talk about the Tagalog Misplaced Pages in any substantial way, which is what WP:N is about. At most, then can be used to cite facts in an article, but not attest to the notability of the Tagalog Misplaced Pages. --seav (talk) 04:58, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
Ok, if Tagalog and Cebuano Wikipedias can't merit their own articles, then we should create an article about all Philippine-based Wikipedias. This kind of suggestion was mentioned in the deletion arguments for the Swati Misplaced Pages, which was one of the basis for redirecting Tagalog and Cebuano Wikipedias. --Jojit (talk) 07:09, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
The ironic thing there is that all Philippine languages are based in the Philippines. The only language in the Borneo-Philippines language family which is found neither in Borneo nor the Philippines is Malagasy. --Sky Harbor17:28, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
User:Boxedor/and article Philippines
May nanggugulo na naman dun sa article ng Pilipinas. Mukhang pare-parehong tao lang. Tingnan nyo yung userpage. Looks familiar?--23prootie (talk) 12:52, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
Re: Philippines has been protected due to edit warring and editing is currently available only for the admin. I myself is not an admin, but Backward recommended here to resolve a "dispute" on the page. Any admin here will help. Thanks.--JL 09c14:39, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
Dispute resolution entails admins mediating between both parties in order to find an amicable solution. Given that there is a blatant dispute, I hope both of you will bring the matter of that up on the talk page. --Sky Harbor17:27, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
Apparently, some adminsitrator deleted the page for the show without concluding from a consensus. They claim that it was copywritten from a website. Even though, the story of the real person, "Tiagong Akyat" was taken from the WikiPilipinas page; the page for the Philippine informations. While the character and other information were taken from the show's website. To conclude, it isnt the wikipedia editors who copywritten the website, but its the website who took copyrights from the wikipedia page. --CocaCirca2009 (talk) 21:46, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
Maybe the article from WikiPilipinas was copied from http://www.noypitayo.com/2009/08/agimat-presentstiagong-akyat-casts-characters/ If I am not mistaken, WikiPilipinas is not like Misplaced Pages that takes care of copyright licenses. Apparently, copying an article from WikiPilipinas is still copyright infringement. And I think WikiPilipinas has a rule that it's okay to copy articles from Misplaced Pages. Consider re-creating the article by not copying it from WikiPilipinas (or other website) and provide refs from news.--JL 09c23:14, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
Is it possible for any administrators to bring the page back and give me atleast a day or two to fix the copyright problems? I would rewrite everything, I promise. I just can't remember what exactly was written in the page. --CocaCirca2009 (talk) 23:42, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
There is a need of restoration because I have completely forgot what was written on the article. And to answer what you said earlier. It was this website that copied the information from the Tiagong Akyat's official website. Therefore it was the NoyPi website that violated the rules and NOT wikipedia.--CocaCirca2009 (talk) 10:52, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
Even though copyright violation is blatant to Philippine websites (like copying Misplaced Pages), the rules on copying outside the Misplaced Pages is still not on the rules on Misplaced Pages because its beyond Misplaced Pages. Now, copying full statements on a website then pasting it on Misplaced Pages violates Misplaced Pages policy. To make things clear, you may file a un-delete request at WP:DRV so that admins will review if it is justifiable to restore the page. You will provide reasons why it must be restored (and your promises, too.). Follow all instructions there. But for practicality, it is better to re-start the article Tiagong Akyat again without copying it directly from an independent website. Proper referencing is also needed.--JL 09c14:46, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
All I'm saying is that I need those informations so that I can work with it. I didnt say that the whole thing that was taken from WikiPilipinas or the Official Website will be left there. All I'm saying is that if some one can copy all the information delted from Tiagong Akyat and paste it into User:CocaCirca2009/Tiagong Akyat--CocaCirca2009 (talk) 23:45, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
I didn't know how to handle this, since the article is a notable one, (being a TV program), I written another version, which can now be find at Tiagong Akyat. You may modify the article. But remember not to copy-paste directly from an internet source, it can be plagiarism and/or copyright infringement. In Misplaced Pages, it is a very serious issue. Please be reminded with the proper citation and paraphrasing if possible, but still references are needed.--JL 09c12:33, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
Translation: It seems that there are people who want settlement templates deleted. Just a heads-up since the following three may be next. --Sky Harbor10:00, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
Thank you. Unfortunately, 23prootie has given only a partial and misrepresentative description of what is happening. A number or redundant forks of {{Infobox settlement}} are being proposed for deletion, in order that they can be replaced with instances of that generic template. If, as seems likely, the three Philippine infoboxes are redundant to {{Infobox settlement}}, then yes; they may be proposed for deletion under those circumstances. But there will still be an equivalent or better infobox on the articles concerned. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits12:45, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
Okay. So December is coming. But aside from making Christmas exciting, Filipinos are more exciting (particularly politicians) to the coming 2010 elections, which is scheduled on May 2010. I am not sure, if this is a case of using Misplaced Pages to promote an individual as nicer as he can be, like in this case of the article Mikey Arroyo. Well, in this revision, Mikey Arroyo was written very poor, there are some POV statements and some stuff that is not good. When ] and User:Promikey and edited the article on Sept. 15 and 16 respectively, major changes occur: reference list was removed, those POV statements and unverified claims (like the libelous statement (I think) was removed: "You know, first of all, I got married. I received lots of gifts. Then in the election campaign, somehow, many people helped me", external links section was removed, paged was blanked, I restored the page again, then refs section was replaced by "watch out for new content about Congressman Juan Miguel Arroyo soon!" (like an advertising website under construction :) ), replaced again by a semi-autobio sentences, Bluemask restored the article added BLP, then the user undid again, the user then removed cats before the current revision. I warned both users about page blanking, removal of content and some sort of removing templates. User Pampanga88 responded to me, and it seems that they were "paid" to do something like cleaning up articles, etc. I wonder if this is in connection with the 2010 elections.
Yes, the edits of the two users were very good that it removed unnoticed libelous or very POV statements on the article, but as I said earlier, this can be a matter of using Misplaced Pages as a tool for the election. The idea of this happening to other articles discussing politicians running for 2010 also crossed my minds, maybe they are posting things like election campaigns to the politicians' article. What I want to say is that we should have a full forced support to preserve neutrality of politician's article, and remove statements discussing their campaign propaganda/platforms, etc., if this may happen again. Thank you.--JL 09c15:04, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
I agree; we can't let WP be used as some candidate's alternative campaign vehicle by letting some of his or her PR peeps (or some other paid hacks) put in POV or propagandist stuff. This is definitely one of the places where the NPOV thing comes into play.--Eaglestorm (talk) 17:45, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
I suggest creating the following page: Misplaced Pages:Tambayan Philippines/Election watchlist/2010. Fill it with a list of links to election-related bios and articles and anyone can then review changes to those pages by clicking on the "Related changes" link on the sidebar while on the list page. What the Related changes does is it lists the most recent changes to all the pages linked from the original page. Take note that this is just an alternative to adding all of those related pages to your individual watchlists. Think of it as a community watchlist. --seav (talk) 00:37, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
I've added names on the list. For organization, I've sorted them out into sections for President/Vice President, Senators, Party-lit Reps and also the Political Parties (lest a casual visitor follow the articles of each candidates' party). Feel free to add more. --- Tito Pao (talk) 03:29, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
Agenda: Philippine Wiki (WMPH) Foundation Day, Development of wikis in local languages, Vandalism and all other stuff.
To participate, please add pinoywikipedia@yahoo.com to your contact list. I saw an increasing number of chat participants in the last 3 sessions, new faces in Manila 5 and the realization of an organization after almost 4 years of discussions. --Exec8 (talk) 19:26, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
New WMPH by-laws
Okay, after fixing everything up, the new by-laws are ready for review. Target date for signing (and by extension, commencing the process of incorporation) as agreed at Manila 5 is October 17. Proceed here. --Sky Harbor13:22, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
WMPH update: Last September 22, Cloudhand and I went to SEC and inquired about the process of incorporation. The first step is to reserve the name of the corporation. Since our name reservation expired a long time ago, I re-applied the name Wikimedia Philippines Inc. at the website of SEC and paid the reservation fee yesterday. The name is reserved until December 22, 2009. So I hope that we would able to establish WMPH before the said date. --Jojit (talk) 01:44, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
For everyone's reference (mine included), please post the entire process of incorporation. In addition, please review the By-laws, as those have to be submitted to the ChapCom for review and affirmation by the Board. I'm hoping we can close the By-laws by October 1. --Sky Harbor02:10, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
Off-topic. I wish this wouldn't pass. This is simply political pa-pogi and completely disregards the historical reason for the flag's design. --seav (talk) 06:43, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
I'm only guessing, but I think that the sun's axis of symmetry should be horizontal, not vertical. Now whether the pointy side should point to the left or to the right, I don't know. --seav (talk) 11:33, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
Yes, it should. If these people really wanted to add Muslims onto the flag's sun, why can't they just redefine the rays like what we did with the three stars? --Sky Harbor13:00, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
I think that if they want to make a Muslim symbol on it, it should obviously and understandably a Muslim symbol because I think that the 9th ray is not as Muslim as its seems.--User:Ryomaandres13:41, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
Just like you, I am very surprised too at this news and I am not Filipino. Fellow vexillologists, especially from Japan, think this is a major joke and are shocked. Back to what I know, I downloaded the senate bill last night around 2 am. There is no construction sheet with the bill, but if I can find the senator that wrote the bill, I can try and ask. However, would the NHI have a document like that? I might need one for the current flag, so if yall can ask for me, that would be great. If it happens to be in a book, I will pay one of yall to ship it to me. If this bill passes (and according to you guys, it seems certain), I would like to have a new construction sheet book or whatever is passed out by NHI and a new flag (and I will also pay for that). This is something I feel strange doing and I know if my Filipino friends see this, I expect a barong in my side. However, as a vexillologist on Misplaced Pages, it is my duty to draw flags accurately. (The cable colors are still the same, but I will try and see if I can fix those). User:Zscout37017:54, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
I wrote to Sen. Gordon seeing if a drawing is available. I tried the 9 rays with the top of the sun pointing to the hoist of flag and, in my honest opinion, it looks very lopsided when it is flown like a normal flag. I expect a special vertical flag to be created so the sun points upright. I still wish they picked something other than cable colors for the flag. User:Zscout37001:42, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
I hope we all realize here that like what Howard says, the Constitution still mandates that there by a national referendum before changing any of the national symbols. Presuming this passes, if no referendum is held, then no change will be effected, similar to what happened to the attempt to change the coat of arms. --Sky Harbor02:14, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
ARTICLE XVI, Section 2. "The Congress may, by law, adopt a new name for the country, a national anthem, or a national seal, which shall all be truly reflective and symbolic of the ideals, history, and traditions of the people. Such law shall take effect only upon its ratification by the people in a national referendum." Sadly, the flag IS NOT COVERED by this. This is why you had all of the blue color changes and the citizens were not consulted. BTW, I found official Pantone colors for the flag. User:Zscout37002:36, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
I think, the following must be added to the Manny Pacquiao article: Justice Minita Chico-Nazario (San Miguel, Bulacan) holds the distinction of being the first woman Justice in the Sandiganbayan and its first woman Presiding Justice. Married to businessman Rodolfo Nazario, she and her children Roderick, Rommel, and Karen presently reside at 299 Gov. A.Santos, BF Homes, Sucat, Parañaque, Metro Manila. Nazario's husband Rod, age 74, former Manny Pacquiao manager, passed away on September 24, 2009 after having undergone by-pass operation in 2006 and underwent chemo-therapy for his lung cancer. Pacquiao fought under Nazario from 1995 until 2005. Rod Nazario gave Pacquiao the latter’s big break in the United States in 2001 when he negotiated that “Pacman” fight in the undercard in an Oscar De La Hoya headliner at the MGM Grand Hotel in Las Vegas. Rod Nazario also had four children from his first wife, Emenita – Roberto, Raymundo, Dedet, and Myra. --124.106.81.204 (talk) 09:25, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
I think we need to come up with a proper plot summary for the article, since the whole story concluded recently. The current one reads like a POV-ish DVD blurb, so why not rewrite it for great justice? Blake Gripling (talk) 13:57, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
I don't frakking believe this. 79.78.6.136 (talk·contribs) and other users in the 79.78.X.XXX range slapped a sock tag on me just because I kept on removing the inappropos caption in the Tayong Dalawa infobox. Hay, mgatrollnga naman, lahat gagawin para sirain ka. (Trolls will do anything to malign you.) Somebody lay down the law on this guy. thanks.--Eaglestorm (talk) 11:22, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
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