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:::::Yeah, the fact that you "saw no reason" is exactly part of the problem here. It never ceases to amaze me how little self-control or even reflection some admins have when strutting around with their block button. Pretty clear indication they shouldn't have them in the first place.<span style="color:Blue">]</span><span style="color:Orange">]</span> 00:31, 5 July 2013 (UTC) | :::::Yeah, the fact that you "saw no reason" is exactly part of the problem here. It never ceases to amaze me how little self-control or even reflection some admins have when strutting around with their block button. Pretty clear indication they shouldn't have them in the first place.<span style="color:Blue">]</span><span style="color:Orange">]</span> 00:31, 5 July 2013 (UTC) | ||
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I have unblocked. Yes, Kiefer Wolfowitz's comment was unacceptable on its own, and repetition of this or similar comments, ''even when provoked'', should result in new blocks. But considering the circumstances, with a functionary making an extremely inappropriate "joke" (if one can call it that) on a channel where Kiefer Wolfowitz has no means to respond, a "tit-for-tat" response, while very ill-considered, is also understandable. The fact that thus far, Kiefer Wolfowitz has received a 3 month block while ] hasn't even received a warning (even if his remark was technically, wiki-lawyerishly off-wiki, it is still a location where he acts in function, not some off-wiki personal discussion), is a guarantee that this block will not have the desired effect at all, and will only increase the feelings of unequal treatment of admins (or other functionaries) vs. non-admins. | |||
Kiefer Wolfowitz, please, if something like this happens again, don't lash out, just go to some noticeboard and make a calm and civil complaint there. That will at least have a chance that the result will be the reverse of what happened now. ] (]) 12:59, 5 July 2013 (UTC) | |||
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Guitar
David Russell
See 2:35 , this guy is one of the most beautiful sounding guitarists ever, in my top 5 list of greatest guitarists.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 21:57, 21 May 2013 (UTC).
- Yes, he is wonderful. Here's a guy I discovered about 2 years ago. He has some lovely stuff. And he's really into bat boxes!! Martinevans123 (talk) 22:16, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
- Tell me more! Kiefer.Wolfowitz 18:44, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
- Back in the early 1980s he used to accompany the marvelous Cornish singer Brenda Wootton on some of her recordings. As you will see from his contact details, and from some of his video postings, he is also very keen on bat protection! He even records them. He's a great guitarist. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:50, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
- Perhaps bats and the supermoon explain the recent sublunarity. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 18:19, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
- In fact not. We've run a few tests and I'm sorry to tell you that your page is emitting dangerous vortex-warping mind-beams which are causing it to act as a block magnet. There is little that can safely be done at this stage, apart from perhaps moral support or possibly dry-cleaning your ethereal medium. Best wishes. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:13, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
- Perhaps bats and the supermoon explain the recent sublunarity. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 18:19, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
- Back in the early 1980s he used to accompany the marvelous Cornish singer Brenda Wootton on some of her recordings. As you will see from his contact details, and from some of his video postings, he is also very keen on bat protection! He even records them. He's a great guitarist. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:50, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
- Tell me more! Kiefer.Wolfowitz 18:44, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
- You're likely correct. I haven't had my chakras (re)balanced in years. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 19:16, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
- ah! no wonder... Just try and get this principal Chakra balanced and you'll be fine!! Martinevans123 (talk) 19:22, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
- You're likely correct. I haven't had my chakras (re)balanced in years. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 19:16, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
Enjoy these!
Musical discussion with Dr. Blofeld
Some handcuffs for you | |
As you've been a very naughty boy I thought you might enjoy having these slopped on you during your term in solitary confinement in D-Block. ♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 15:55, 9 June 2013 (UTC) |
- Hah!
- "An avidity to punish is always dangerous to liberty. It leads men to stretch, to misinterpret, and to misapply even the best of laws. He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself." Thomas Paine
- Kiefer.Wolfowitz 16:15, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
- Ask your captors if you're permitted to watch this.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 16:42, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
- Thank you very much, Dr. B. Barney Kessel is always a treat. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 18:44, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
- Ask your captors if you're permitted to watch this.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 16:42, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
Alternative tunings and "Amazing Grace"
Repetitive open tunings
- BTW, I changed the Russian 7-string's tuning from a repetitive open-C (inverted as E-G-C-E-G-C-E) to the open-E tuning E-G#-B-E-G#-B-E. It sounds much better, and my daughter and now wife are having more fun strumming. (I scratched F, G, A, B, C, D, E on the neck for a crib sheet.)
- Kiefer.Wolfowitz 10:00, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
Dropped tuning
I tuned my acoustic guitar to C# drop tuning earlier, standard dropped 3 semitones with a "drop D" like base string to play Amazing Grace♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 16:41, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
- Very nice! I did my best Paul Robeson impression (okay, 2nd best, without the Stalinist pieties) and "Amazing Grace" quieted my daughter, who had had enough Swedish Midsommar. However, Mamma delivered the coup d'boob, which led to both sleeping.
- You saw that I'd changed from an inverted open-C to a canonical open-E on the Russian 7-string? It sounds much better. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 17:07, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
Fifths
Do you know a reliable source for the 5-string claim? It's plausible.
Thanks for your other edits. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 11:56, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
- You can check out bill sethares all tunings guide for a description of all-fifths tuning and other tunings. Note that he refers to it as mando-guitar tuning. It has also been called guitello tuning (for 5 strings).
- For more detailed mechanics of tuning to all-fifths, d'addario's sting tension chart is useful. It provides formulas and string weights, as well as a table of tensions for varied string gauges.
- From their data, one could tune a 7 string guitar to (e' a d G C F' A"#) with moderate (~13 lbs/string) tension using 9, 13, 20(or 22w), 32w, 49, 74, and 115 strings. That leaves room to tune up to g' or down to c' as a starting point. One could also tune a 7 string to (g' c' f A# D# G'# C'#), with about 15 lbs tension, using 8, 12 18(or 20w), 30w, 44, 66, and 100 gauge strings, leaving room to tune up to a' or down to e' as a starting point. 75.150.168.6 (talk) 01:14, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
- The problem is that such inferences involve original research or synthesis, which has been avoided per Misplaced Pages policies since I rewrote the articles on regular tunings. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 06:34, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
- Your recent edits seem reasonable, and likely fall within the usual bounds of exposition for mathematics articles on Misplaced Pages. (Non-research mathematics)/"Trivial" computations and inferences are not OR, although such additions can be challenged and then be evaluated as need arises. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 07:47, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
- The problem is that such inferences involve original research or synthesis, which has been avoided per Misplaced Pages policies since I rewrote the articles on regular tunings. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 06:34, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
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User:Vegaswikian, please revert your addition of disambiguation-needed tags to the article "Guitar chords". "Sixth intervals" refer especially to minor and major sixths intervals. The point of the phrase "sixth interval" is that both intervals are used, and so there is no disambiguation possible, unless you create a new list of sixth intervals, like my recent List of fifth intervals. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 11:34, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
re: Council for United Civil Rights Leadership
Malcom X as a reliable source on Martin Luther King, Jr.?
Hi Kiefer.Wolfowitz; I reverted your edits at Council for United Civil Rights Leadership because I do not believe you are correct that these connections are "original research".
On the topic of Malcolm X, he was a star critic of the group, and his response to them specifically in Message to the Grass Roots is well known. See this Google search if you're not convinced. (Edited to add: see particularly here, here, and here.)
On the relationship between the March, the creation of the CUCRL, and lobbying for the Civil Rights Act, the sources currently presented make the connection. As do numerous histories of the civil rights movement. These claims border on common knowledge. But also see this relatively recent article in the NYT. It's also made quite clear in David Garrow's popular history Bearing the Cross: you can read the relevant pages in the online preview version here.
Please let me know if I have misunderstood something. Peace, groupuscule (talk) 20:44, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
- Do what you want. Misplaced Pages deserves more articles based on Malcom X. I'll check whether the human evolution article is based on the teachings of the Honorable Elijah Muhammed. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 20:48, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
- Haha, I think Stephen Jay Gould might be more so the Malcolm X of evolutionary biology... E. O. Wilson never put out a hit on him, though. groupuscule (talk) 20:56, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
- Are you trying to claim Stephen Jay Gould, evolutionary biologist, was a critic of evolutionary biology? IRWolfie- (talk) 09:18, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
- I thought Gould might be an American independent updating of J. B. S. Haldane, with his Marxissant analyses and support of the American New Left, as well as "popular front" (baseball) writings---but perhaps the latter makes him a complementary particle to George Will? However, the good-humored courage in dealing with cancer makes Gould an update of Haldane. (His dislike of flash photography and willingness to leave the stage when flash photographed reminds me of Robert Fripp.) Kiefer.Wolfowitz 09:25, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
- Haha, I think Stephen Jay Gould might be more so the Malcolm X of evolutionary biology... E. O. Wilson never put out a hit on him, though. groupuscule (talk) 20:56, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
Regarding your subtitular question, "Malcom X as a reliable source on Martin Luther King, Jr.?", the issue is of course not whether Malcolm X is a reliable source on King and the CUCRL (no, he's too close to the issue, though his factual claims happen to be largely accurate) but whether his criticism of the CUCRL is noteworthy (yes, it is mentioned frequently and exclusively, with James Baldwin's a distant second). Aloha, groupuscule (talk) 09:15, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
June 2013
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Your recent editing history at Wikipediocracy shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you don't violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly.
To avoid being blocked, instead of reverting please consider using the article's talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. See BRD for how this is done. You can post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection. Bbb23 (talk) 19:13, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
{{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}} . However, you should read the guide to appealing blocks first.During a dispute, you should first try to discuss controversial changes and seek consensus. If that proves unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection. Bbb23 (talk) 22:13, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
Kiefer.Wolfowitz (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log)) Request reason: This is a ridiculous block, which has not been documented properly. Editors are free to remove unsourced material, such as a New York Brad's original research. Accept reason: Your edits on Wikipediocracy doesn't constitute edit warring so I accept to unblock you. But I must admonish you regarding your edit summary made at http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Wikipediocracy&diff=prev&oldid=561266813 which I hope I wont see again. →AzaToth 23:50, 23 June 2013 (UTC) Tack! Har du läst historien om denna artikel (som byggde på "allmänt känt" och var falsk)? Denna artikel handlade om en historiskt viktig organisation med ett rikt intellektuellt liv, som fick stor uppmärksamhet. I motsats härtill är Misplaced Pages ... Misplaced Pages, dvs en lekplats för Qvorty & Co. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 00:04, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
Insert generic warning section header{{insert passive-agressive "suggestion" to be more obsequious in tone}} {{insert signature of random admin nosing into others' business}} Other people were doing it, and it looked like fun, so I joined in. Tremblingly submit and obey! Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 15:51, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
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Recent wisdom
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- Admins, Checkusers (and Arbs too for that matter) have been ignoring all rules and hindering ordinary writing editors for as long as Misplaced Pages has been invented. Nothing is going to change because most of those who put themselves up for these lofty positions are little more than tin gods with a frustrated lust for power in real life, Misplaced Pages provides them with the powers and platforms which real life so very wisely denies them. Only Arbs and Admins can change this situation, and they are not going to admit their all too apparent inadequacies by changing anything. Accept that, and Misplaced Pages becomes a lot easier. Giano 12:29, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
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You can have one if you want. ★★RetroLord★★
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C.A. Peñarol GA Reassessment
I wanted to let you know I revised the article and copy-pasted the text to Word so as to check any typos and spanish words that could have remained. I corrected every mistake I saw. I reckon its prose is good enough to be GA, though I think those mistakes had to be corrected. I have also taken away unnecessary flag icons. I've replied saying this same thing, in Talk:C.A. Peñarol/GA2, but just wanted to make sure to inform you.—Nuno93 (talk) 03:05, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks for the kind notice, Nuno93. :)
- You and other editors obviously put a lot of work into the article, which does display a lot of references.
- Your strategy of using the grammar and spell checker of Microsoft Office's Word is a good idea, which I should also use. All of us have trouble catching duplicates (e.g., "the the", especially at ends of lines). :)
- May I make a suggestion for the medium-term, please? Consider reading George Orwell or Dwight MacDonald or Voltaire or Schopenhauer or other other great prose-stylists for at least six months, under whose influence you should revise one paragraph at a time in whatever article interests you.
- Then it might be useful to read a guide to English usage---like Fowler's or Strunk & White---and try applying each heuristic to your favorite article. For example, rewrite every sentence in the active voice, paragraph by paragraph, and then revise each for continuity of flow. (For example, for continuity of flow, the passive voice is often useful for linking old information to new information.)
- The language maven William Safire wrote a column about his grand-daughter's writing and the fault-finding of Microsoft Word's grammar checker, which you might enjoy reading. Beyond mathematicians, general writers could consider reading George Piranian's "Write it Better" and Paul Halmos's "Say it Gooder".
- Kind regards, Kiefer.Wolfowitz 10:46, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
Friendly advice
If you are actually accomplishing something, I find it pretty easy to tolerate poking people a bit with a sharp stick. Poking just for the sake of poking, however, it isn't productive. I don't claim to know your motives (for anything) but I just fail to see what good with come of that discussion. Putting my admin bit to the side and speaking solely as a fellow editor with a love of all things guitar, you might consider dropping the stick. Nothing good will come by continuing it, you know this. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 13:18, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
- Dennis,
- TRM has not retracted his NPA violations, yet he continues to pontificate at RfA in his role as a bureaucrat. Perhaps he does good elsewhere, much as the Borgia Popes had their good sides...? The simple solution would be for TRM to write "I'll go and remove any falsehoods I wrote in ignorance, and I'll try not to make false accusations in the future".
- Instead, he is stone-walling, leaving lies standing.
- Until you deal with TRM's WP:NPA violations, please don't bother offering even cliche-laden political advice.
- Kiefer.Wolfowitz 13:46, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
- Kiefer, you know as well as anyone that I have approached TRM at WP:BN, and I approached him at that very discussion before approaching you, so to most people it would seem obvious I haven't carved out a "side" and just trying to keep the peace. If that isn't obvious to you, then the flaw is your own. Sorry that you see my sincere expression as political or cliche-laden. Obviously, my assistance is unwanted, so I will just unwatch and move on. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 14:19, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
For how can you compete,
— William Butler Yeats, To A Friend Whose Work Has Come To Nothing
Being honour bred, with one
Who, were it proved he lies,
Were neither shamed in his own
Nor in his neighbours’ eyes?
Dennis,
I thank you for being impartial and principled.
I would prefer that problems are resolved rather than denied. I would prefer that lies and injustices are challenged, even if "peace" be disturbed.
In this case, TRM's malicious and unwarranted accusations of my sockpuppetry and of my having driven-away editors remain as falsehoods standing on Misplaced Pages, monuments to the failure of administrators normally so full of do-good advice on civility—New York Brad, BWilkins, Brown-Dent, et alia—to require (or even ask) that a fellow administrator abide by WP:NPA, and strike falsehoods.
Sincerely, Kiefer.Wolfowitz 14:01, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
Comment on AN/I Discussion
Dear Kiefer Wolfowitz: Thank you for responding as you did, in a very gentle manner, in this AN/I discussion If it is not against Misplaced Pages rules, I would very much like to invite your father to speak with me on the telephone. My phone number can easily be found on the Internet and I would welcome the opportunity to have a discussion with him. Thank you again, Factor-ies (talk) 08:48, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
- Ah, shucks.
- Gentleness is second nature to yours truly, 09:42, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
RE: Demiwit
Sorry I don't really read the talk page as often since that big yellow banner is no longer shown when you get messages. But in regards to yours, I'd ignore it. People here would rather resort to ad hominem attacks than debate and, more importantly, add content. Not worth fretting about their attempts to turn this to the stereotypical local council. (not to say I disavow local government, sometimes its very good.)(Lihaas (talk) 09:07, 4 July 2013 (UTC)).
- Yup. (I am not allowed to discuss the
right honourable editoron Misplaced Pages.) Kiefer.Wolfowitz 09:42, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
Come on Baby, Light My Fire!
It seems that User:KWW has forgotten to leave a block notice, with diff(s) and an explanation of why he thinks Ironholds / OKeyes (WMF)'s IRC suggestion of burning me alive (on Misplaced Pages's IRC channel)
- #wikipedia-en-admins on 26 June:
- 01:15 < Ironholds> TParis: oh, sod off. Kiefer needs his rubdown.
- 01:15 < TParis> Well, you grab the oil, I'll meet you there.
- 01:17 < Ironholds> only if I'm allowed to bring a lighter.
is hunkey dorey, particularly for WMF employee and Misplaced Pages administrator Oliver Keyes. Does WMF Director Sue Gardner know about Ironholds's use of WMF's Misplaced Pages channels (IRC)? Kiefer.Wolfowitz 00:28, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
- You are perfectly capable of appealing a block without a templated message, Kiefer. Given that this is your seventh block this year, you've got practice. If the log is accurate, Ironholds made a tasteless joke on IRC. You, however, made direct threats on Misplaced Pages. Neither behaviour is good, but only one appears blockable. If somebody with the ability to investigate the accuracy of the IRC log chooses to block Ironholds over it, I won't protest.—Kww(talk) 00:36, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
- You are welcome to admire yourself in your mirror.
- Perhaps somebody who speaks English could help you understand the semantics of "X is welcome to Y". Kiefer.Wolfowitz 00:42, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
- Kww mischaracterized my edit (quoted at Wikipediocracy) as "making a direct threat", which just is another indication of his limited English. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 08:54, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
- I can confirm the logs are accurate, but the where not made in a public channel on freenode (was made in #wikipedia-en-admins, a.k.a. the evil admin cabal channel). I'm not tempted to unblock, as the remark made by Kiefer is way much worse than the private discussion on freenode. →AzaToth 00:40, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
- Please reflect on my previous comment. I don't think you understand what I wrote. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 00:43, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
- I can confirm the logs are accurate, but the where not made in a public channel on freenode (was made in #wikipedia-en-admins, a.k.a. the evil admin cabal channel). I'm not tempted to unblock, as the remark made by Kiefer is way much worse than the private discussion on freenode. →AzaToth 00:40, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
Discussion of 3-month block
From Kww's talkpageThe following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
- Kiefer
Is that a good block, if that IRC log is accurate? Black Kite (talk) 23:54, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
- If I presume the IRC log is accurate, Kiefer's response is still over the top. At worst, the IRC log is a tasteless joke between two people about a third whom they dislike. Kiefer's is a direct physical threat combined with a direct insult.—Kww(talk) 23:58, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
- I see your point, but could it not be argued that Kiefer's reply is merely a threat of violence in reply to one? Black Kite (talk) 00:00, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
- It could certainly be argued. He can try to persuade the community that that's the case, but I don't buy it.—Kww(talk) 00:23, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
- Kiefer's is a direct physical threat combined with a direct insult - gee, the way I see it, Kiefer's response was a fully normal response, though a bit of a tasteless joke, to what appears to be either a) threats of physical violence and insults, or possibly b) two sneaky admins conniving in how to get Kiefer in trouble. Have you had contact with them?
- Regardless. This needs to be reviewed at ANI. And I this must be like the twentieth time in recent history where I am simply amazed that you are allowed anywhere the block button Kww, or the other admin tools for that matter. Too bad we don't desysop for outright and obvious stupidity.Volunteer Marek 00:09, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
- I saw no reason that such an obvious block required community discussion, Marek. It never ceases to amaze me how little self-control people here have when it comes to communication.—Kww(talk) 00:23, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
- Yeah, the fact that you "saw no reason" is exactly part of the problem here. It never ceases to amaze me how little self-control or even reflection some admins have when strutting around with their block button. Pretty clear indication they shouldn't have them in the first place.Volunteer Marek 00:31, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
- I saw no reason that such an obvious block required community discussion, Marek. It never ceases to amaze me how little self-control people here have when it comes to communication.—Kww(talk) 00:23, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
- I see your point, but could it not be argued that Kiefer's reply is merely a threat of violence in reply to one? Black Kite (talk) 00:00, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
I have unblocked. Yes, Kiefer Wolfowitz's comment was unacceptable on its own, and repetition of this or similar comments, even when provoked, should result in new blocks. But considering the circumstances, with a functionary making an extremely inappropriate "joke" (if one can call it that) on a channel where Kiefer Wolfowitz has no means to respond, a "tit-for-tat" response, while very ill-considered, is also understandable. The fact that thus far, Kiefer Wolfowitz has received a 3 month block while User:Ironholds hasn't even received a warning (even if his remark was technically, wiki-lawyerishly off-wiki, it is still a location where he acts in function, not some off-wiki personal discussion), is a guarantee that this block will not have the desired effect at all, and will only increase the feelings of unequal treatment of admins (or other functionaries) vs. non-admins.
Kiefer Wolfowitz, please, if something like this happens again, don't lash out, just go to some noticeboard and make a calm and civil complaint there. That will at least have a chance that the result will be the reverse of what happened now. Fram (talk) 12:59, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
Manufacturing?
I thought Toyota manufactured the scion. What is the Wolfowitz connection? – S. Rich (talk) 01:25, 5 July 2013 (UTC) (Note, this comment was intended as a friendly remark, referring to another TP edit that KW had made. It has nothing to do with the section above.)01:35, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
- Please consult a dictionary. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 08:46, 5 July 2013 (UTC)