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==Comment in wrong place==
What is ??? Why do you call me a " a possibly banned user"??? --] (]) 21:00, 8 June 2008 (UTC)


==] scheduled for TFA==
:First, when you comment on a new subject on someone's talk page, create a new section (and please don't use ugly, obtrusive red letters -- I can understand English just fine). Second, I did not call you a possibly banned user; you need to pay more attention to the history of that article. -- ''']''' 21:17, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
This is to let you know that ] has been scheduled as ] for 23 February 2019. Please check that the article needs no amendments. If you're interested in editing the main page text, you're welcome to do so at ]. Thanks! ] - ] 19:55, 26 January 2019 (UTC)


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You reverted my edits befor my innocence was proved. --] (]) 18:19, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
=== Precious ===
{{user precious|header=Istanbul|thanks=for quality articles such as ], for dealing with In the news, for gnomish work such as page moves and setting up archives, for requesting peer reviews and discussion article names, for service from 2005, - repeating (21 July 2007):}} --] (]) 09:23, 23 February 2019 (UTC)


:::] has again broken ], this time on {{article|Moldovans}}. Should I post again on the 3RR noticeboard? ] (]) 16:19, 9 June 2008 (UTC) A year ago, you were recipient no. ] of Precious, a prize of QAI! --] (]) 08:15, 23 February 2020 (UTC)


==Move review for ]==
::::Xasha, instead of loosing yout time in the noticeboard, try better to reduce your stalinist and anti-Romanian attitude from this encyclopedia and stop to remove quoted information that don't match to your attitude regarding the Romanians. Looking to your edits, I see only hostility against Romanians. But I think you're just an exception between Russian users, not a normal case.--] (]) 18:19, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
An editor has asked for a ] of ]. Because you closed the move discussion for this page, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the move review. <!-- This originally was from the template {{subst:MCRNote|PAGE_NAME}} ~~~~ --> ―<span style="font-family:CG Times">] <b>]</b><sup style="font-size:75%">]</sup></span> 03:15, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
:::Also, do you think the above suffices for a wikiquette alert?] (]) 18:38, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
::::Xasha, you vandalized the article ] again and again and again. As usual, you insisted in the deletion of quoted information. This '''IS''' obvoiously vandalism.--] (]) 19:02, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
:::Should I add that he violated his revert parole on ], and continues to batter me? ] (]) 19:16, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
::::Add what you want. You just try to provoke me. Besides, I am not the user Bonaparte.--] (]) 19:57, 9 June 2008 (UTC)


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{{user|80.132.200.160}} restored Olahus's version in every article it edited, after you blocked Olahus for 72 hours.] (]) 13:12, 10 June 2008 (UTC)


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About Perhaps you would like to join ? The number of admins mixing up that arbitration with ] seems to be . --] (]) 19:30, 9 June 2008 (UTC)


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:Um... I don't know what you're talking about. I didn't mix up those two cases as I didn't even know about the other one. One, apparently, is for the Balkan states while the other is for Eastern Europe. I did not confuse Moldova with Macedonia as you imply. Those two countries aren't on opposite sides of the world, you know... as ] suggests, Moldova could be considered at least partially in the Balkans. Because the Macedonia case allows general sanctions to be applied to articles related to the Balkans (not just Macedonia), "defined broadly", and because I was not aware of the case that allowed general sanctions to be applied regarding Eastern Europe in general, I invoked that case, not the Digwuren one.
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== ''The Signpost'': 28 February 2019 ==
:Both describe the geographical region related to Olahus's problematic editing (although one more undisputably so than the other) so I don't understand why it matters which case I invoke and where I post the violation. I don't know what "order" you're talking about and I don't find whatever joke you were trying to make funny. -- ''']''' 22:30, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
::Meh, I rather prefer ], than one with an arbitrarily drawn line, but whatever. Olahus is the third user (I know) active in articles about Moldova who was put on parole and in both previous cases the warning admins (El_C and Stifle) have used the Macedonia warning only to correct themselves later, I assumed that you fell victim to the ''eM error'' as well. If that is not the case, please accept my apologies. <small>Still, that last part was kinda stuffy. Relax! :-P</small> --] (]) 17:11, 10 June 2008 (UTC)


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:::Moldova is not a Balkan country. At least, in according to the most common definitions of this region, it is by far not a Balkan country. ] is obviously an ] and the author did'n mention any source of the map (actually, what source could he have at all? ). --] (]) 23:37, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
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::::Well, as someone above mentioned, I could move the restriction to the case encompassing all of Eastern Europe, not just the Balkans, if that's what you want. -- ''']''' 10:55, 20 June 2008 (UTC)


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== ''The Signpost'': 30 April 2019 ==
Then, appreciating the irony, I did indeed misread you, and there are no excuses. I sincerely apologize. I would just add (by no means in exculpation of my misprision), that we grow up in, and are exposed to, language, customary expressions and newspaper consensus on how the world is described, which people, like I.M. (Jordanian) hailing from another cultural milieu and accustomed to different descriptions for the land, take exception to. I haven't checked that person's record. But systemic bias is something we all have. And that huge swathe of discussion was really just over the refusal to put in an adjective or a locative particle that would have left the Islamic reader satisfied. But I won't blog the issue here on your page. Regards ] (]) 10:10, 11 June 2008 (UTC)


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:I'm unsure if you're suggesting that we should have added an another word or two to the first sentence of ] to " the Islamic reader satisfied", but if you were, I'm going to have to disagree with you to the greatest degree. First, of course, I'm sure there are many Muslims that don't care about this wording, and think it's accurate. But more on point, this reminds me of what was happening at the ] article a few months ago. As you may have been aware, there was an online petition demanding that the images of Muhammad be removed from that article. It snowballed out of control until we had arbitrary IP users removing images from the article and ranting on the talk page about this supposed inappropriateness. I understand that we should be cognizant of cultural differences, but this is an encyclopedia. Further, it seems we are expected to bend over backwards to tailor to Muslim interests -- for Israel-Palestine topics, that means highlighting the Palestinian point-of-view and drawing sympathy toward their causes -- and acting like the world revolves around Arabs and Muslims. Some nerve. And this is obviously not an issue limited to Misplaced Pages.
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:Right... except you forgot to mention the most important part: you forced the half-apology out of him. Seriously, I sure hope other isolated incidents of offensive comments toward other groups are treated with this much vigor in the future. No, strike that; I hope they aren't, because such actions would still be considered excessive. We're not the morality police; we block people to prevent users from disrupting the wiki in the ''future''. People felt qualified to somehow extrapolate this one data point into a career spewing anti-semitic jargon. And, of course, the only remedy for such aspiring Jew-baiters is an indefinite block that may only be lifted once an apology (ideally to the entire Jewish people) is given. Yup, even though he had no block history. We don't seem to ], but, unfortunately, the entire community seemed to rally behind you and explain, presumably to me, in fifteen different ways why "Jew crew" was offensive (as if I didn't already understand). Why? Well, I might conjecture, but I don't want to be blocked indefinitely and forced to give an apology (oh no, I said too much!). -- ''']''' 16:29, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
::Hi Tariq, I'm sorry you disagree with what I did, but I really did do it because I don't want that type of language to be acceptable. I also didn't see an apology, half or otherwise, but what I did see was a statement that it wouldn't happen again (which was all I was asking for). Prior to that all I saw was a defense of its use.
::I did read your comment at the time it was posted at ANI (and I respect your opinion -so it bothered me somewhat) but as you never replied to my response, I was not completely sure if you really thought I intended to to indefinitely block -or if you thought week was too long (or were against any block altogether).
::Finally, I just want to re-iterate that it was not my intent to block permanently. Since I stepped in relatively early, I was concerned that my perception of the magnitude of the insult might be hugely different than the consensus which would later develop. . .I was thinking that that would lead to extra entries in the block log (distorting things later). Maybe we're not seeing things the same way in this instance, but I want you to know I value your input -so if you're thinking I'm off-track again in the future, don't hesitate to leave a note at my talk page. Thanks, ] (]) 17:01, 12 June 2008 (UTC)


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I just looked my block log, and thought through my incident from 2013. I remembered that I never thanked you, although I am really grateful. I was blocked based on a misunderstanding, and perhaps my block appeal wasn't as concise as it should have been, as I'm not a native English speaker. I was called a liar by another admin who refused my appeal. He was later desysopped by the ArbCom. It took 5 days from the one-week block until you unblocked me and took flak from the other admin which led to an AN/I thread. The feeling of powerlessness and injustice was certainly not nice. So: thank you! You are one of the good ones. It's a shame you seem to be quite inactive these days. --] (]) 20:10, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
:::The article is not uneditable. -- ''']''' 21:05, 17 June 2008 (UTC)


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== ''The Signpost'': 31 July 2019 ==
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== ''The Signpost'': 30 August 2019 ==
By deligitimizing their position, you render any chance of compromise or discussion impossible. And their position ''is'' legitimate - at least, it is one that is held by a substantial portion of people of this world, and knowledgeable people at that. A little distance goes a long way.


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== Nomination of ] for deletion ==
:Well, yes, I was silently following the discussion and saw the latest "development". As for future participation... I'm not responding to Nishidani or Imad marie anymore, at least on this matter. As I already noted, in one way or another in several different ways, I find them absolutely impossible to work with -- and thus, I won't try. At this point, I don't consider their opinions on this of any value and will continue to disregard them in the future.
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:You're entitled to your opinion about whether Imad and Nishidani are civil POV pushers; it certainly hasn't changed mine. I am aware of Nishidani's varied contributions (if you're trying to prove Imad has edited across many areas, you haven't succeeded), but having a narrow or broad focus doesn't make or break a civil POV pusher. There are other criteria on the list in Raul's essay, some of which I have noticed Imad and/or Nish fulfill quite nicely. Unfortunately, you only took select quotes from Raul's essay and proceeded to disprove them, even though I never argued that they were true.


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:Whether my delegitimization of their position makes compromise or discussion impossible is moot; as I already stated, I want to have neither with them. As far I'm concerned, this discussion is closed and has been closed for quite some time. I have yet to be presented with anything I didn't know already.
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:<blockquote>And their position ''is'' legitimate - at least, it is one that is held by a substantial portion of people of this world, and knowledgeable people at that.</blockquote>


== ''The Signpost'': 30 September 2019 ==
:...but I can't quite tell. I'm not sure what position these "knowledgeable people" are holding. That Israel's capital is disputed? (Nobody said it wasn't.) That East Jerusalem is occupied territory? (I'm aware of that.) That Palestinians want East Jerusalem to be the capital of their own state? (I never disputed this.) That Jerusalem is not the capital of Israel? (This is called ] and anyone who holds it is not in anyway "knowledgeable".) Or is it that the dispute over Israel's capital should be placed further up in the ] article on Misplaced Pages? Because frankly, I don't think most "knowledgeable people" would give a damn about that.


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:Even still, you obviously didn't troll through the archives enough, or else you would have discovered -- heck, in some of the very discussions you cited in your closing statement -- that my position on this matter used to be that something about the capital dispute should be in the first paragraph of Israel. I said that in January 2007 and I said it again in April 2007, specifically presenting a proposal that had just that. Go ahead, look. However, compelling reasons were provided against that and after a variety of opinions were presented by people who originally wanted something else, a version similar to the current introduction was put in place. The article was featured and, now this may come as a shock, people ''dropped it''. (Oh, but, as has been said, I'm not flexible, I'm not open to compromise, I'm motivated by some nationalism, yada yada.)
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== ''The Signpost'': 31 October 2019 ==
:Since then, I don't remember having a single discussion where someone has suggested that we eliminate the information about the dispute or move it even farther down, even though we (a) had people who advocated such positions initially and (b) at several points the article actually appeared like that. And yet, we continue to have these flare-ups every once in a while from someone who feels they have been entrusted with revealing to the entire wiki community... (drum roll...) ''things we already know'' about the Palestinian position. They claim it's all about neutrality, when, of course, we know it's not. Imad, apparently fluent in Arabic, seems willing to exhaust a month working on getting a few words inserted into the ] on account of "neutrality", but won't do anything about ] the Arabic Misplaced Pages calls an encyclopedic article. Why am I not surprised?


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:The optomistic statements in your final paragraph leave me laughing. If you think a discussion on Misplaced Pages will help fix the Middle East, you're crazy. Don't lecture me about "flexibility"; you're talking to the wrong person. I never asked for your poetic words of wisdom and I don't appreciate them now. -- ''']''' 16:01, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
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Dyukov - fringe historian whose last book only printed 700 copies.
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where use ISasha has added another sheet of info on the article displaying personal opinions of some Dyokov that calls himself historian.. as some have stated before,the article has become a church for Dykov's personal views and is not much about the Soviet Story as it should be..
(I wonder if Dykov is the only "historian" to have an opinion on this so his views are displayed so huge there giving even a special thread just for him..
I wonder if any person who will claim to be a historian, a researcher or whatever will have the chance to have a thread where he can dispaly his personal views.. in that case this Soviet Story Article should expect 100s of pages dispalying personal views of whoever has said anything about the film)


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== ''The Signpost'': 27 December 2019 ==
::To my e-mail (or, alternatively, to what I wrote above). Cheers!--] (]) 16:54, 19 June 2008 (UTC)


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:You mean to apply ] for the entire Eastern Europe?
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== ''The Signpost'': 27 January 2020 ==
::No, Olahus. Look ] on my talk page, where you commented. Also look ] on your own talk page, where someone ''specifically'' pointed to you ] I'm talking about and accurately predicted I would just propose changing the location of the sanction. Why does this matter to you? Further, the reason I didn't include Xasha or anyone else is that their disruption did not appear to be as widespread as yours. I'm not going to do anything now either. -- ''']''' 11:36, 20 June 2008 (UTC)


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How did you come to the conclusion that Xasha's edits disruptions did not appear to be as widespread as mines? E.g. regarding the article ], my edits were quoted with serious and official sourcesDespite of those factsm the user Xasha reverted the edits '''without an explanation'''. He didn't it just once, but several times. See , , . According to the rules of this Enciclopaedia, edits as those of Xasha are called ''']''', and my reverts of his edits are '''completely legitime'''.
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I asked Xasha to stop this vandalizing. Not just that he didn't answer my question, but he also accusing me of making personal attacks against him! Furthermore, he ignored Illythr's advice to archive and after I restored the page with my question, .--] (]) 19:08, 22 June 2008 (UTC)


== ''The Signpost'': 1 March 2020 ==
:<blockquote>According to the rules of this Enciclopaedia, edits as those of Xasha are called ''']''', and my reverts of his edits are '''completely legitime'''.</blockquote>


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:Precisely why I don't feel the need to sanction Xasha. Xasha's edits are ''not'' vandalism; they are edits within a content dispute, and so your edits are not in anyway legitimate. At the time of the application of the sanction, you were edit-warring on ], ], and ] -- multiple articles -- and not just with Xasha. Like I said, I'm not going to sanction Xasha at this moment. If you think something needs to be done, take your issue up at ]. -- ''']''' 22:19, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
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== ], or whatever it's called ==


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== ''The Signpost'': 26 April 2020 ==
I'm going to have to contest your blocking of the two editors. I think the protection could be lifted in lieu of something like a 1RR sanction vis-a-vis ], but until that happens (and even if it does) a protection of an article ''and'' a block of two editors for edit-warring is too much. It should be one or the other because blocks are preventative. Since the two blocked editors can't edit the article anyway due to the protection, the block's goal of preventing them from continuing to edit war on this article has already been accomplished. -- ''']''' 14:23, 20 June 2008 (UTC)


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:Ja, I figured that too late. I'll lift the blocks. My apologies. ]] 15:22, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
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== ], or whatever it's called ==


Thanks for the close. I'm manually moving pages as much as I can. ] (]) 02:51, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
I'm just curious whether you considered a ] sanction before your protection. I mean, it's a bit miraculous this article has escaped one all this time. -- ''']''' 14:46, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
:I had forgotten that this was one of the lengthening list of areas with discretionary sanctions. ] (]) 16:29, 20 June 2008 (UTC)


::Also help, I had renamed ], but can you help wi th the subpages? ] (]) 02:52, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
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:::There are a ton of pages about this. I created a bot request to take care of this, but you are free to attempt to go through this. There are hundreds upon hundreds of pages that need moving. I'll try taking care of the subpages. -- ''']''' 03:35, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
Hi Tariqabjotu
Just a courtesy to let you know that the article you deleted while I was closing the AFD has been taken to Deletion Review. http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2008_June_22#Titans_.28Crash_of_the_Titans.29 ] <sup>'']''</sup> 21:21, 22 June 2008 (UTC)


== Probable template bug. ==
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You've recently moved the ] and now it doesn't seem to be updatable, since the source code is not showing when pressing "Edit". Instead, it's just showing "Redirect category shell" and "R from move". I do not have the graph data backed up, so if anything could be done from the administrator's side, it would be nice. -- ] (]) 9:27, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
I've been asked by Dorftrottel to bring your attention to his RfC, which you're more than welcome to comment in. Regards, ] 13:04, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
:I was finally able to update the graph through the "Edit source" button, however, editing trough the "Edit" button ''inside'' the template does not seem possible (yields empty editing area). Not sure if that is intended. -- ] (]) 10:09, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
::{{ping|Nicholas Velasquez}} Thank you for the information; this required editing the number of the outbreak within the template on that page. I've corrected it, so you should be able to edit the normal way, but that is something I'll look out for when all the other similar pages are moved. -- ''']''' 10:41, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
:::Yes, it's working now. Thank you. -- ] (]) 10:54, 4 May 2020 (UTC)


== move of template broke editting ==
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must use visual editor now
These afd's, initiated right after the event, although correct under Misplaced Pages's policy, almost always end up failing. The correct way of going about these articles is to wait a month or two when all the hysteria has died down and then proceed with the afd. --'']] ]'' 23:34, 23 June 2008 (UTC)


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I see that you're as confused by the result of this discussion as I am, Honestly, I'm not sure where it is stated that '''merge''' isn't a valid closing rationale for an AfD. I'm considering taking this to DRV, but as I haven't really participated there I'm unsure if this is the appropriate or not. Any thoughts? ]]] 23:40, 23 June 2008 (UTC)


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:Looks fine to me. -- ''']''' 16:47, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
Can you be more specific about your decision here?
http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/3RR#User:Rezistenta_reported_by_User:Desiphral_.28Result:_24h_.28Re.29.3B_36h_.28De.29.29
Although the user Rezistenta violated the 3RR rule, the user Desiphral was blocked just as well, and for even more time. Can you explain your decision, please. ] (]) 13:55, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
:Let ME be more specific, also. Look at these 2 consecutive edits:
:http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Roma_people&diff=next&oldid=221484793
:http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Roma_people&diff=next&oldid=221496078
:The second was not a revert, he add a source for his precedent edit. So there were 3 (but not more than 3 reverts). And even if you consider the second edit I presented here a revert, still the first block by the admin PeterSymonds was not legitimate since there were only 3 reverts at that time and no '''more that 3''' as the rule requires.
:http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Desiphral#June_2008
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:http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:3RR
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:::I thought I commented here yesterday, but probably I just gave "show preview" and forgot to save it.
:::"one is not entitled to three reverts per day" - that is the most common pretext in the book to block a user for braking the 3RR rule, when he didn't really brake it. If you wanna consider his third edit a ''revert'', than it was only when you blocked him the second time, that he really broke that rule. So I think you should have blocked him for only 12 h, so it would have been 24 h together with the first ''block''.
:::See also the question that I have asked PeterSymonds
:::http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:PeterSymonds#Your_blocking_of_the_user_Desiphral
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As I said on the Jerus talk page I have lost my patience with sloppy and highly-partisan deletions of basic historical facts by one editor of late and it has harmed my attitude in dealing with others. Really, I was upset with one person only and should not have directed my frustration at everyone who feels passionately about the "Jerusalem as capital" question. On the other hand, I got quite slammed for my two less-than-perfect comments, even after apologizing, while I see everyone else got away with personally attacking me and other editors today without comment. Now that I reflect further, your reprimand was quite personal, and given the fact that I'd already been 'egged in the face', I think it was overkill, especially since I did not say a word about 'sides.' While I understand that some of my recent additions are contentious, I welcome any help fine-tuning them. In my opinion, as well as others', it is not sufficient simply to have one sentence in this article which reads: "permits are said to be hard to come by." As you can see from the World Bank report, the scale of the matter is pretty large - 400 demolition orders annually - and in my opinion quite worthy of note. If you have any suggestions other than 'delete, delete', I am open. Best, ] (]) 22:21, 14 July 2008 (UTC)


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:When you decide you're going to pretend you don't know how this indentation thing works (i.e. you put a response without indenting), you should expect that responses to other people are sometimes going to appear like responses to you. I indented immediately in from Esmehwa's comment. My comment about your tone was merely an aside; it was obvious, really, from the rest of my post that I was addressing him, unless otherwise stated. Now, for the piece about being 'egged in the face' already and overkill -- which doesn't make sense, because I was only the second to respond to you -- I have some advice (which I'm sure you've heard before): if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. -- ''']''' 22:44, 16 July 2008 (UTC)


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You think I misunderstood your attacks on the talkpage (calling me "holier-than-thou," and paternalistically reprimanding my recent style of editing, for instance). I think you misunderstood me, here: I was trying to make my comments more readable - I assumed it was obvious that anyone would know all the comments were from one source. Maybe this was not within suggested editing mode. But if you cannot assume good faith anymore after all this time at wikipedia, then maybe it is you who should consider getting out of the kitchen - failure to assume good faith poisons the food. Your 'get out of the kitchen' comment almost sounds like what you are trying to do is drive people with opposing points of view out of the kitchen. Sorry Tariqabjotu, the heat of the kitchen is where I live, and no amount of attempts can drive me out. This should not be an atmosphere in which people try to inflame one another - we should be trying to cool things down - it's damn hot enough in Israel as it is. ] (]) 00:07, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
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I gotta say, you were very brave to start closing the Ireland pages. They've been hanging there for a while, and I did wonder who'd have the guts to start closing (ignored it myself when closing RM discussions, not through cowardice but, if you believe me, per contributions of myself to previous similar discussions ;) ). ] (<small>]</small>) 15:28, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
:Wowsers. Allow me & my friends to give you a Wayne's World salute: ''We're not worthy, we're not worthy''. ] (]) 15:47, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
::May I also thank you for your perspicacity and your decisiveness. -- ]·] 16:48, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
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:I think the air has come out of my party balloons. ] (]) 18:07, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
::That was a premature close if ever I saw one for a controversial topic, because active discussions were taking place on individual pages and the MOS page was not the final word on consensus if you read the individual page discussions. I support Cameron's comments. ] (]) 18:08, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
:::The topic has been controversial since 2004. And it's been discussed to death since then too. I commend Tariqabjotu again for having read through the pages and made his decision. -- ]·] 18:16, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
::::You commend him only because you agree with his decision. Will you commend me for bravery too? I mean, in reverting his move of ] when there was no move proposal? ] (]) 18:46, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
::::::Not if you won't address me in a civil fashion. Regrettable. -- ]·] 18:52, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
:::::::I was perfectly civil. Highly critical, but perfectly civil. But if you do have something else to say, let's not clutter Tariqbjotu's talk page anymore. ] (]) 18:58, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
:::::The specific move request ] to ] was opened five days ago and you prematurely closed that against the clearly oppose consensus on that talk page. Evertype has already conveniently forgotten that FACT and you don't seem to have noticed or seen that. ] (]) 18:51, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
::::::As I have repeatedly had to point out the Wiki-consensus is ] ], not totting up !votes. The decision here was brave and correct and long overdue. ] (]) 20:29, 30 November 2008 (UTC)


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Okay? Everyone done? Well, you all certainly didn't make this easy for me. ] suggested that this discussion was centralized in one place. In that one place, the MOS talk page, the consensus seemed obvious to me (although the ] proposal had several other suggestions). It was only ''after'' I completed the moves and began removing talk page notices that I noticed this was not centralized. Receiving the most resistance, I noticed, was the ] move. This was particularly surprising to me because that received a mountain of support on the MOS talk page. So, in light of that, I will acknowledge that I did not see those other discussions, although I think that was an understandable mistake on my part, based on the recount above.


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Now, the problem (or problem''s''). There will always be an ongoing discussion, especially as long as the status quo was maintained. So, the idea that it was premature on the basis that there was still discussion ongoing is not particularly compelling. The five days cited by ww2censor in his latest comment is acceptable for move requests, provided there is a clear consensus. The confusion about the location of the discussion led to me believing that the consensus was clear.


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On the basis on vote counting alone, I would be willing to reverse the move to ] based on the opinion on that article's talk page (22-15, against; with the MOS talk, it's 23-19, against). However, in order for me to do that, I'd have to reverse the disambiguation move, which, combined with the talk on that article's talk page.


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Yes, that would be back to square one. And, in this case, I see that as ]. Why? Well, first, we'll have this squabbling continuing for several more weeks and months, until someone finally forces a move when all the opposers on vacation. Not particularly productive. Secondly, and more importantly, if there's anything that has been made clear over the past few days, through these move proposals, and, apparently, over the past many months through multiple discussions, it's that "Ireland", on its own, is ambiguous to a very significant portion of the English-speaking population. Were it so obvious that "Ireland" meant the island (or, alternatively, the country), we wouldn't have suffered through so many months of discussion and controversy. And that, my friends, is why we have a ''disambiguation page''. This isn't one of those simple move requests where we want to just move Basic Article A to Location B; this is about making a ''disambiguation''. The amount of controversy over this makes the ''disambiguation'' a no-brainer. So, I'm going to keep that.


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Unfortunately, that resolution means that something needs to be done about the article about the island. Obviously, it can't stay (because the disambiguation page is there), so it must be moved. It's a less than ideal solution, but that article has to be moved to ]. I'd be open to moving ] back to ] because it does not conflict with the disambiguation page, but I don't see any evidence I missed initially that would support reversing that.


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:Tariqabjotu, your comment: ''The confusion about the location of the discussion led to me believing that the consensus was clear'' clearly indicates you made a judgment error. That's a pity, but as an admin, you can revert you error, and based on all the flack I suggest you do that, even though you are being praised by those who clearly wanted and benefited from the confusion that you fell for. The task force was never the place for deciding a consensus on page moves. I think it is about time I deleted all the Ireland articles from my watchlist after 3 years and leave them to Matt who is already actively, imho, destroying the moved articles. If we really need an article about a rock with no population we already have a ] ] and don't even need ]. ] (]) 02:27, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
:::It "clearly indicates" that you didn't like his judgement. No more. -- ]·] 15:19, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
:: is what I have thus far done - destruction? I've moved back nothing 'difficult' yet - only stuff like Science that was moved-over into Ireland from ROI (yes, not forked - but actually moved!!) And some stuff that NI never had in its offical article at all, which is shocking. Policy will one day be met if we keep this up guys!--] (]) 03:00, 1 December 2008 (UTC)


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:Welcome to the ''emotional'' atmosphere of Ireland topics. ] (]) 20:52, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
::Tariq - I think you've fallen for the line that a small but determined number of Irish POV pushers have been pushing for months - that Ireland is an ambiguous term. This is simply not true - the name "Ireland" has always, and will always refer to an island in the Atlantic ocean. This island has had a number of different states on it, but none of which are exclusively just known as "Ireland" (the current state occupying the majority of the island has a ready made disambiguation term ("Republic of")).
::It was unfortunate that the first discussion you came across was the one that fewest people (and the most skewed audience in terms of representation from Ireland and elsewhere) contributed to. I would strongly advise looking at the RM on the original Ireland page, and look at what contributors from outside the British Isles (i.e. those least likely to have a national bias) have to say. ] ]] 21:58, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
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:::Which section are you talking about? There's so much stuff to wade through... -- ''']''' 22:03, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
::::No specific section - just look at the comments of editors unlikely to be involved in nationalist fervour in the ] debate. ] ]] 22:12, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
:::::Looking through the section, I observe that the vast majority of people commenting -- on both the support and oppose sides -- are Irish or from the United Kingdom. That's unfortunate as, ideally, a wider swath of the world should have commented because of the RM post. But, I don't see the trend you're talking about. -- ''']''' 22:42, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
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::::::e/c Just to interject, if I may (and I won't labour things here - I wish to make edits now). I have have spent a <u>lot</u> of my valuable time arguing for change here, and am '''''not''''' personally an 'Irish pov pusher' at all. A great many who have put their good will and time into this are simply trying to ''help''. I happen, myself, to be very British, and my gripes have been (in no particular order) 1) the edit warring (especially on piping), 2) my lack of progress at the British Isles taskforce - due to a total lack of agreement over which 'Irish state' article to use in a guideline (what brought me to all this!), 3) the general ambiguity I have found in articles that I believe have been neglected, 4) the bad atmosphere many editors and admin I have spoken too now say they choose to keep away from, and 5) the problem with NI seeming to be part of Ireland. I personally didn't have a "ROI issue" over that particular name. I know that number57 has been close to this issue before - it could be easily argued that he has a POV himself. There is a well-known group of the same people who always appear to oppose these polls - this accusation simply goes both ways. The Irish nation '''''is''''' commonly called 'Ireland', and is now the Irish government's official name too. Why look outside of the British Isles? To me, it would risk addressing people who know less about the issues, and who often tend to romanticise Ireland too. I welcome you to look through discussion. You will find it gets rough at times (esp in this last poll - and I'm not one myself to hold back when confronted), but I'm sure you won't change the natural and logical conclusions you came to on your own accord: nothing is there to contradict them. Anyway - your action (surely a matter of time from a passing admin) was a huge sigh of relief to me, and that's all I have left to say. Apart from thanks for standing by your decision, too.--] (]) 22:42, 30 November 2008 (UTC)


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I think it would be a good idea to set up an RFC on the decision and post notices of the RFC at each of the relevant pages. For one thing it will keep comments all in one place and allow us to gauge the measure of consensus - which may fall down on the side of 'it happened, leave it alone'. I don't think the RFC needs to be or should be controversially phrased, simple a statement of fact and a plain request for comment, but I think it would be useful as a means to calmly collect the response of community to the decision to move the articles.


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:I am not interested in setting up the RFC, and I have no comment on whether one is a good idea. As I have suggested here, and elsewhere, you have already seen the full extent of my involvement with this issue. -- ''']''' 00:20, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
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*Thank you. I think it is unarguable that '''dab''' is the only solution here. For a long time I argued for the primacy of the state/country over island if one must "triumph". But that solution would be equally unstable. So dab is supported by everything from plain logic and common sense to ]. And now that the term "Ireland" has been dabbed there is simply no further justification for referring to Ireland (the soverign, internationally recognised and commonly termed country) as RoI anymore. Thus the need to complete this process by moving RoI to Ireland (state). (Though I'd prefer by far Ireland (country), I accept that '''only compromise will achieve stability''' and that many people regard the term "country" as referring to the whole island)). ] (]) 20:53, 30 November 2008 (UTC)


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*I will 100% support whatever is most per policy. If it's a disambiguation page - then great. I actually back a few options (others are at ]), but will go with the most policy based. We can't keep the 'status quo' of maintaining the two state articles of Republic of Ireland ''and'' Ireland (a forked state article, linked to widely for the state), that is for sure: Ireland had gradually gown to the point where it simply made having the official-state ROI article look silly. In 'real life', Ireland is actually the official name for the Irish state (ROI is a choice), and the awkward politics surrounding co-joining the island of Ireland with the state of Ireland at 'Ireland' was just too much to handle. Readers were finding Northern Ireland present when the use of 'Ireland' was simply referring to contemporary Irish society - far too much meaning on Misplaced Pages was fudged. Tariqabjotu is right, people's consternations can't be ignored forever, and Wikpedia is supposed to protect itself against 'polling blocks' (there's a better word for that one I'm sure). --] (]) 21:45, 30 November 2008 (UTC)


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:Also a very wise move. ] (]) 22:43, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
::Before I do? I suggest ''reverting'' ] to '''Republic of Ireland''' & letting it have its own RM discussion. ] (]) 23:03, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
:::Never make controversial ''reverts'' without discussion - at least that is what I am constantly told. ] (]) 12:02, 1 December 2008 (UTC)


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Hello Tariqabjotu. Might I suggest you review the discussion at ] and ] and in the context of your recent move. The problem with interpreting the consensus on the discussion you closed, is that all the stakeholders do not appear to be aware of it and thus didn't comment there. The appropriate wikiprojects ''were'' directed to the ongoing discussions I link above, and as you can see, the consensus is somewhat different. I appreciate you were likely not aware of these other discussions. I suspect this is going to end up under review anyway, but it might minimize the drama if you, as the closing admin, conduct your own review first. ]<font color="black">e</font>] 19:06, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
:I echo the above statement - I don't think most users were aware of the taskforce (which was dominated by Irish users) - and the consensus on the most commented-upon move request (i.e. that on ] as it is now) was certainly against the move. As you aren't online at the moment and this needs urgent attention, I have referred it to ]. ] ]] 19:29, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
:This was a bad move - the issue is controversial and under discussion. ] (]) 19:37, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
:::: Lets just wait until Tariqabjotu responds, before offering value judgments. His interpretation is perfectly understandable given the discussion he closed. What is not clear is whether he was even aware of those other discussions. Tariqabjotu, I would add, if I am mistaken and you did take those other ongoing discussions into consideration, could you mark them as closed too? Thanks. Also, I don't see why this needs urgent attention, its not the end of the world if it remains for a few hours. Please can we de-escalate this and just wait a little? ]<font color="black">e</font>] 19:43, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
:::::Fair enough, I've removed the comment from WP:AN. ] ]] 19:54, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
::::::I think your intervention here is most unhelpful Rock. There is no "different consensus" anywhere else; just some different !vote scores. Please stop confusing the issue. ] (]) 20:32, 30 November 2008 (UTC)


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Thanks for the close. I'm manually moving pages as much as I can. Starzoner (talk) 02:51, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Also help, I had renamed this template, but can you help wi th the subpages? Starzoner (talk) 02:52, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
There are a ton of pages about this. I created a bot request to take care of this, but you are free to attempt to go through this. There are hundreds upon hundreds of pages that need moving. I'll try taking care of the subpages. -- tariqabjotu 03:35, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

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move of template broke editting

must use visual editor now

https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Template:2019%E2%80%9320_coronavirus_pandemic_data/Poland_medical_cases&action=edit — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.27.253.151 (talk) 15:39, 4 May 2020 (UTC)


And now "v" "view this template" link is broken — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.27.253.151 (talk) 16:45, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Looks fine to me. -- tariqabjotu 16:47, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Please go here: https://en.wikipedia.org/Template:COVID-19_pandemic_data/Poland_medical_cases

Find this part "SARS-CoV-2 timeline in Poland (v t e)"

In (v t e) links "t" and "e" work again but "v" is not clickable anymore

Yeah, because you're already looking at the template. -- tariqabjotu 16:54, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

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The WikiEagle - January 2022

The WikiEagle
The WikiProject Aviation Newsletter
Volume I — Issue 1
Aviation Project • Project discussion • Members • Assessment • Outreach • The WikiEagle
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  • After over a decade of silence, the WikiProject Aviation newsletter is making a comeback under the name The WikiEagle. This first issue was sent to all active members of the project and its sub-projects. If you wish to continue receiving The WikiEagle, you can add your username to the mailing list. For now the newsletter only covers general project news and is run by only one editor. If you wish to help or to become a columnist, please let us know. If you have an idea which you believe would improve the newsletter, please share it; suggestions are welcome and encouraged.
  • On 16 December, an RfC was closed which determined theaerodrome.com to be an unreliable source. The website, which is cited over 1,500 articles, mainly on WWI aviation, as of the publishing of this issue.
  • Luft46.com has been added to the list of problematic sources after this discussion.
  • The Jim Lovell article was promoted to Featured Article status on 26 December after being nominated by Hawkeye7.
  • The Raymond Hesselyn article was promoted to Good Article status on 4 December after being nominated by Zawed.
  • The Supermarine Sea King article was promoted to Good Article status on 22 December after being nominated by Amitchell125.
  • The William Hodgson (RAF officer) article was promoted to Good Article status on 26 December after being nominated by Zawed.
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