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Criticism of RuneScape

Forgive me if this comment was misplaced, misformatted, etc., but on MMORPG.com it lists runescape near the lower middle most popular online game, yet in the article it mentions that it is toprated. Hope someone changes this/metions this. --Darkfeline 06:14, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Should be in a new section at the bottom, but other than that, it's fine. The article says that it is rated "among the most popular", not top rated. It is currently the fourth largest MMORPG in terms of subscriptions - second largest if you were to count free players. "Highest ranked" on there means highest ranked among their users, which probably doesn't include many RuneScape players. Comrade Tux 04:09, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

I am creating a "Criticism of RuneScape" article at my sandbox. Please feel free to edit it as it develops; I am in desperate need of some good sources. And please, don't add a bunch of pro-RuneScape junk to the article until the main points of criticism have been established, it makes it much easier to write. Thanks, --Hojimachong 02:59, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Um... why would we want a seperate article? "Criticism of" articles should be avoided like the plague, unless absolutely necessary to reduce page size. We don't really have a problem with page size. -Amarkov moo! 03:22, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

I think it merits an article as much as Criticism of World of Warcraft does, as RS has even more active players, and a notorious reputation for being a less-than-perfect "starting point" for MMORPG players. --Hojimachong 04:03, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

But WoW is a lot larger, and thus has a lot more criticism. Creating a seperate article woul just lead to another AfD and perhaps another wave of scrutiny towards the RS series. Just extend the current section. If it ever becomes too big, then maybe look into making it a seperate article - • The Giant Puffin • 12:22, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

WoW has 8 million players, while RS has 9 million players (according to the article). It doesn't merit an article (yet, mwahaha), but I'll be building an updated criticism section in my sandbox. thanks for the input by the way, --Hojimachong 04:29, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

About that... WoW has 8 million players, because having one account lets you create as many characters as you want from that account. Since each account is $15 per month, almost no one has multiple accounts. RuneScape, however, has 9 million characters, but many people have more than one character. (I myself have about 6, and my cousin has around 40.) Pyrospirit 23:57, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Runescape contains bad graphics, bad gameplay and is an all round bad game - why, given that people crticise the game, can we not mention that in the article? Waffle247 15:56, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Who criticises it? Care to provide a link or two? And no, Gamespot-style player reviews aren't good enough because they ain't reliable sources, and half of them admit they've just been banned for rulebreaking. CaptainVindaloo 17:05, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

You placed a sexual predators section in your entirely unformed criticism area?! Why in the world is attacking nonexistent areas of RuneScape so important to you?! This is BS! --SuperLuigi 31 19:50, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

TwitchGuru just released an article containing only critisism of runescape slup 12:21, 27 March 2007 (UTC).

Ok, but pure criticism isn't neutral at all, and criticism sections should be avoided in general. Pyrospirit 15:06, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Ok, so Misplaced Pages has articles containing criticism in many of their articles. Heck, they even have one on Criticism of Misplaced Pages. While Runescape might not have as many users as something like World of Warcraft, it has some serious problems as a MMORPG and contain many implications and social consequences. Also, Runescape aims at a much younger age group, making it particularly dangerous to those young people with things like language abuse (don't tell me that the filter does anything, people just come up with new words/way to say things.); promotion of ideas such as violence(against other human players), gambling and stealing; a large portion of unfriendly/dishonest players that trick others for wealth(this is huge, having experienced it firsthand as a Runescape player for almost 2 years.) Those are just some of the points against Runescape. I agree that criticism might not be considered the most neutral thing to do, but with something like this, I think it will be a very informative addition to the article itself. Mad Munky838 04:04, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Actually, I believe RuneScape has been given (informally) the same age rating as WoW, et al. Much of the criticism you cite can be applied to any MMORPG, so that article is where you'll find it. There is absolutely no point in repeating it here. Same for PvP combat, I can't think of an MMO that doesn't have it somewhere, and the violence against humans is getting into the video game controversy debate (again, no need to repeat here). RuneScape-specific criticism must be cited to a reliable, peer reviewed source ("Zero information is preferred to misleading or false information" - Jimbo Wales, on citing sources), such as a games magazine, and not random blogs, forum posts or Freewebs sites. So far, we've incorporated all we can find, and this article is rated as a Good Article, which requires compliance with the NPOV policy. This article is not supposed to discuss video game philosophy, just present an overview of one game. MMOs just aren't everyone's cup of tea. CaptainVindaloo 15:35, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

I would like to say somethings before I make my main point. 1)I apologize for sounding like a some kind of Jack Thompson (attorney)-esque video game critic, due to poor wording. 2) This is my first time editing a "good article", so I might be making a few fundamental mistakes here. Now, the criticism that I pointed out are significant because RuneScape is different from a lot of other MMORPGs out there. One, it is browser based requiring only a Java plug-in; two, it doesn't have anything to stop certain people from playing it (other MMORPGs require a purchase to start, installation on computer, high speed connection(for enjoyable experience), etc.) What this means is that anyone on any computer can access this game from anywhere with a connected PC/Mac. Which means that despite the "informal rating" (which I agree with), people younger than, say, 13 can access this game and are exposed to the content. The other thing is location, while other MMORPGs pretty much require you to play on computers installed with its software(often large for modern games), you can play RuneScape from any random computer. Thus, I think these criticism are relevant as RuneScape is an unique case. The thing is, I have been a RuneScape player and I have experienced some of those things that I pointed out. And I have seen 4th graders going to the local library to play RuneScape or playing RuneScape at school. While the reader will probably disregard my personal experiences, as Mad_Munky838 is not a reliable, peer reviewed source, does that make it less true? 193.3.95.240 gives a very good site from TwitchGuru, a part of Tom's Hardware Guide, I'm not sure if it is a reliable, peer reviewed source, but if it is (by opinion of other Wikipedians), I'll gladly cite it. Mad Munky838 02:15, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

RS isn't the only free, browser-based MMO. Your points about being accessible from anywhere and so forth are valid of course, but mass RuneScape-specific criticism of this hasn't materialized. Most of the points raised in the Tom's Hardware Guide article are moot - it criticises features and trends present in pretty much every online game, such as monster fighting, levelling, PvP combat, gratituous hurling of the word 'noob' (ever played Counter Strike?), bypassing chat filters (rulebreaking), cheating (rulebreaking), scamming (rulebreaking), bug exploitation (rulebreaking), expensive rare items, internet addiction - sorry, but I don't see anything not present everywhere else, and i've never found it anywhere near as bad as the author claims, even though the game isn't perfect, IMHO. And one might as well blame Misplaced Pages for being vandalised whilst blaming the game for having rulebreakers. Oh, and none of us editors are reliable sources by ourselves. If we put our own theories in the article, that's original research. I'm not expecting my opinions here to be included in the article and i'd remove them myself if they were. The THG article does look to be peer reviewed, so if there are any RS-specific points to cite, go ahead. We're after Featured Article next which has a "comprehensiveness" requirement, so we need as much cited content as we can get. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with criticising this article, regardless of rating, just nobody's raised any concerns that the article is unduly positive. And tell your friends to get off RuneScape and finish their work! :-D CaptainVindaloo 20:35, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Apparently we are not getting anywhere with this discussion. Problems that I see: 1) As Runescape is featured as a Misplaced Pages:Good articles, people are reluctant to change anything dramatic about the article. 2) reliable, peer reviewed sources are extremely unlikely to focus on something like Runescape. 3) As there aren't enough sources on the Criticism of Runescape, any criticism about it is obviously irrelevant and should not even receive a mention in the Misplaced Pages article. Frankly, I give up... Time to stop wasting time on anything relating to Runescape. @CaptainVindaloo, thanks for the concern for my Runescape-addicted friends, but no amount of persuation can get them off of it. Sadly. Mad Munky838 00:20, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

As far as I can see every other gaming article at some point mentions the quality of the graphics, except for Runescape which has a section for graphics but doesn't actually mention the fact that they are out dated. It seems very, very peculiar to me. Whatever the issue is, as Mad Munky838 has pointed out, it's not worth this much time and effort. Waffle247 15:24, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Part of it is the programming that RuneScape runs on. the reason that games like WoW and Flyff have vastly superior graphics is that they are running on software that allows it. Since RuneScape is Java-based, the polygonal shapes are probably all that can be achieved or allowed without breaking their user's computers. DiscordantNote 15:34, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

And, even though the java programming language page has a criticism section in it with negative points, we still can't add those applicable into this article. Well I give up. Read this article at your peril peeps - it's full of crap. Waffle247 15:53, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Zezima

I see the discussion page has been deleted. Does anyone have anymore information on the events leading up to it?Sardonicone 14:24, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

The deletion? That page was deleted because of CSD G4 and G8, and I believe that User:Shmiddly User:Shimdidly has a backup. Is that what you meant?

Yes. Though I couldn't find this backup that you wrote about. Sardonicone 15:16, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

I found it, it is at User:Shimdidly/Archive. Zezima (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) however, has been salted, so don't bother trying to recreate it. SmileToday☺(talk to me , My edits) 20:37, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Why do we need a discussion page about Zezima anyway? I don't feel that it is relative to RuneScape, and it holds no real value, all he is is the #1 ranked player in the game, not a celebrity or something. Damo271190 19:16, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

That is why it was deleted. SmileToday☺(talk to me , My edits) 22:32, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Ah, ok, I understand now, thanks, I was a little tired when I wrote that, guess I wasn't paying attention properly, sorry. :( Damo271190 08:51, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

I never got that, at all from that page. There were people on both sides of that debate, and it seems draconian at best to delete the page merely because some people felt it not noteworthy. Sardonicone 01:11, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Zezima is a celebrity, noobs friggin' worship him. U have not seen the noob shrines to zez? they're all over the place.74.71.190.253 17:09, 6 May 2007 (UTC)Atrocity1313

Archiving

Someone archived by moving the page. This needs to be fixed. Greeves 20:14, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

That would need the help of an admin, see section 7 and 9 at WP:MOVE and/or WP:CPMV. SmileToday☺(talk to me , My edits) 20:43, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for bringing this up - I was the one who archived the page. I've just looked over the situation but I cannot determine what I have done incorrectly. Initially I waited a bit for someone more experienced to archive this page, but when nobody did, I decided to read WP:ARCHIVE and fix it myself. I carefully looked over the last five archives for this specific page, and the edits , , , , and led me to believe that I should use the move procedure. It never seems to end up right when I do these things, but with WP:ARCHIVE and the conventions for this particular article, I am confused and would appreciate an explanation. It may have also been useful to have dropped a message on my talk page when you discovered the problem. On a side note, perhaps some sort of notice that explains how that specific page has previously been or is archived would be useful? Thanks - Audacious One 22:52, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Well, it seems to be fine, although we should probably maintain a consistent method to avoid confusion. Although I would like to note that the oldest archived were cut-paste archived. SmileToday☺(talk to me , My edits) 22:44, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Removing Zybez

I suggest to remove this fansite. It has known to have unremovable files installed in temp directory. And in a long time ago (around 3 years ago) if you installed one of the files on the site and uninstall afterwards, some files cannot be removed unless you format your computer. Not to mention that most of the information is covered by tip.it already.OhanaUnited 02:02, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

There was a lengthy discussion on this already. The current 3 sites have the top 3 Alexa rankings, and they are far above any other fansites. That's all we go by. Pyrospirit 17:31, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Sry if I don't see the discussion. My main concern is installing unremovable files on your computer. It should be removed from the list because your computer can be compromised as a result of using the programs provided by that site. I don't think we should put this site up so that others' computers may get harmed from that site. OhanaUnited 18:24, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

You have a point; we don't want to be linking to anything potentially harmful, popular or not. Can you prove that it installs these files? Do you even know what the files are? DiscordantNote 22:47, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

They used to have a downloadable calculator that allows you to calculuate how many actions you need to do before you level up. However, it requires you to install. And when you uninstall, you realize that you can never remove all files. There are ALWAYS few files that you try to delete (regardless of methods) but never successful. Another point is that by visiting that website, they put in 2 cookies (temp file) that you can never remove unless you format your computer. I'm not sure if they still does that, because the last time I visit this website is 2 yrs ago. But I am absolutely sure that is something fishy about the calculator. OhanaUnited 00:16, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm aware that their toolkit (former world switcher) is very difficult to remove all the files for - I used it a year ago, and I had to terminate half my system processes in order for it to let me delete the seemingly empty folder where it was installed, despite my already having uninstalled the program. I don't know if there's something with calculators too, as I've never used theirs. As for the cookies, almost all websites leave those nowadays; if you were using Firefox, they're easy to get rid of, but Internet Explorer might be harder (not sure, as I haven't used IE in ages). Comrade Tux 11:38, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Can you take a screenie of a delete attempt? I'm pretty good with that kind of thing... I.e. certain problems happen when a program autolaunches "in the background" and the process must be ended through the "processes" tab on the task manager. → p00rleno (lvl 86) ←ROCKS_RS 11:42, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

As stated in the discussion, this issue is questioning about a downloadable calculuator (and now a toolkit mentioned by User:Comrade Tux) available 1 or 2 years ago that can potentially harm your computer. That calculator/toolkit leaves traces of files that are unremovable. Why do they purposely leave files behind after uninstall? If you don't have something up in your sleeves, then why leave something behind?

The calculator no longer available to download, as it is now usable on website without download. As for the world switching toolkit, it's still available under another name. I don't want to download the toolkit in case it will compromise my computer again. But based on my experience and Comrade Tux's (and probably many others that also encounter this problem but don't read this discussion), it's safe to say that something's fishy. I'm not saying that the file is a trojan horse or rootkit, but better safe than sorry. OhanaUnited 16:35, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Their "toolkit" has been used by thousands, if not more, people without any issues whatsoever. I'm not sure why this bothers you so much, but there isn't anything harmful or malicious going on with it. Sardonicone 01:13, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm aware of that - as I said, I used it a while (a year or so) ago, and it never caused any issues to my knowledge. However, it looks a little suspect when you have to terminate system processes to delete the directory that it was previously installed in, after running the uninstaller. The only reason I could see for leaving anything behind is for preferences and such to be used in a subsequent re-install... but shouldn't we be able to delete if we want to?

Getting back to the original issue though, it's probably not appropriate to remove Zybez for the sole reason that their toolkit/calculators leave/left difficult-to-remove files where they were installed. There's no concrete proof that they're up to anything, and, after all, thousands of people use their tools without any consequence. Only reason I could see for removing them would be if their Alexa rankings fell behind, which doesn't look very likely at the moment. Comrade Tux 03:51, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

What people choose to do with Zybez programs is separate from what we are linking to. We should not be responsible if we link people to a website, and they choose to download a program that may cause some sort of problem (albeit, it is quite minor). Zybez is a part of the top three fansites, and as I had argued in previous archives', having all three fansites is a good decision. Nishkid64 (talk) 00:29, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Ohana/Comrade: the "problems" in question are standard computer operations--and if you knew much of anything about how programs worked, you'd know this is not a problem nor is it unique to Zybez's former applications. You cannot delete files or folders that are in use by running programs--and even though you ran the uninstaller, evidently there was still some piece of it sitting in the processes. Had you restarted your system, you might have removed the said files with no issues. As for the cookies, I don't know what was going on, but I can assure you it was of no fault to Zybez--no cookies are irremovable.

As for the files in question themselves, Zybez has not had the downloadable calculators you mention since mid 2004, and the RSToolkit you mention has died similarly--it was replaced by the current SwiftSwitch which has no relation whatsoever to what it replaced--not to say that either former files had any issues with them themselves. SwiftSwitch is used actively by tens of thousands of users, and there have yet to be any reputable reports of security issues with it. If you were to base your claims on current status and actually have some experience in what you're talking about, which you have yet to show you have any of, then perhaps it would be worth considering. 72.25.54.114 01:08, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

My experience was with a version of Swift from about a year ago, as I had mentioned before, and there was a gap of several months between my running the uninstaller and finding that there was still a folder in my C:\Program Files directory. There was definitely a restart somewhere in there, so it's not due to Swift processes being left behind. I never raised any concerns with cookies as those are fully removable. However, this is deviating from the original question; Zybez will be staying on the links list unless any other issues are raised, I think. Comrade Tux 01:18, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

The uninstall application for SwiftSwitch completely removes all files. The only files that remain are Microsoft Window's own Visual Basic OCX libraries. Zybez Runescape Help is the most trustworthy Runescape website. Zybez users' privacy or rights have never been breached (unlike websites that have been hacked before, such as Tipit and RuneHQ (hacked last week with many user passwords stolen—as declared on their website). Zybez Runescape Help (online since early 2001) is rated higher (as of right now) by Google, even though two weeks ago, Tipit changed their name to 'Runescape Help Rune Tips' to fool Zybez Runescape Help users. Can we really trust a website (Tip.it) that has been hacked several times in the past, serves pop-ups (force-fed advertising) of adware, *and* deceivingly changed it's name to Zybez Runescape Help's name, "Runescape Help"! More Runescape players choose Zybez Runescape Help. This is clearly visible when you compare the activity on each site's forums. (I'd suggest not using Alexa or Compete.com for traffic information as those are very flawed). In conclusion, the only website that is most credible and noteworthy is obviously Zybez Runescape Help. --Zybez 01:42, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Ok, you got me on one point there. I suppose that the uninstallation problems could have been caused by a bug in Microsoft's software instead of something in SS. Perhaps the libraries were loading the SS folder for some reason, and so it wouldn't let me delete the folder. Which explains my ability to delete the folder after terminating processes. My bad, jumped to a conclusion too early...

However, reiterating this for the (third? fourth?) time, I have no objections to Zybez remaining on the external links list. If someone brings me into this again, I'll go and cross off my comments above, unless there's an objection to doing that. Comrade Tux 01:55, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

I'd also like to add that many programs, when uninstalled, will intentionally leave their directories in Program Files and Application Data, usually with the settings of the users. This allows users to reinstall without losing all their settings. Though the SwiftSwitch installer does try to remove all files, it relies heavily on Visual Basic Runtime Files, which are probably still using it, as stated above. Primate 19:57, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

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==Criticism==

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To combat cheating and the use of macros, Jagex has taken measures such as introducing random events that require immediate human response and providing safety warnings in the player trading system. In response to automated scripts, Jagex has banned over 20,000 accounts through a macro detection system. RuneScape chat filters have the ability to censor words and letter combinations that may be offensive to players. Other times they may block words that are completely irrelevant and harmless which may not be offensive at all. Players are often able to use intentional misspellings, leet, or symbols to bypass the filter. To combat this, changes are continually being made by Jagex to the filters to block offensive language and to prevent non-offensive words from being accidentally blocked.

Business aspects of Jagex have fallen under criticism. RuneScape has been criticised for not having enough free content or not updating the free content often enough. While RuneScape does have a considerable amount of free content, most updates and features for high-level players are limited to paying members.Jagex increased the size of the customer support team and expanded the online Knowledge Base to alleviate customer service problems.

I do not think a "criticisms" section is justified, though some of these arguments are valid, and could be incorporated in to the article, in other sections. --Hojimachong 02:22, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

FA?

Well, as that last peer review didn't bring up much - Ed handled it nicely himself - I think it may be time for a Featured Article attempt. Checking the criteria, I can't see anything wrong, and there's nothing to lose of course. Thoughts? CaptainVindaloo 00:43, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Go For It! What's the worst that can happen? We find out what needs to be fixed? If Anything? Try it! → p00rleno (lvl 86) ←ROCKS_RS 12:10, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Yay, definitely! On to FA! Pyrospirit 14:18, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

I was kind of expecting people to call me insane, but oh well. According to Tony1 and Yannismarou, criterion 1a (well written) is a bugger to satisfy, and it's the only one I'm not completely sure about. They suggest getting in touch with experienced copyeditors or asking WikiProject League of Copyeditors for help (requests page). Again, I'm just not sure, and I know we went through this prior to GA, so we are probably fine. I'll give the article a read through, but someone else should too. CaptainVindaloo 18:10, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I gave it a read through, fixed some language issues (couple of redundancies hiding in there), made some clarifications, fixed a citation. Looks good, but it'd still be a good idea for some other people to have a look too. One thing I noticed; I think we could do with one more screenshot, for the graphics or community sections. I'm thinking the middle of one of the cities; Varrock, Falador or Ardougne; to show what the graphics look like in cities, the variety of player appearences and what interaction is like. Possibly even one from Castle Wars or something. Not essential though, just a thought. Any volunteers? CaptainVindaloo 19:41, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

i will help im always on runescape just give me a list of things to do (put them on my talk page). Elderleo 19:45, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Screenshot in Falador, World 2 would do nicely... let me go get that. Comrade Tux 21:24, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

I've called in reinforcements from WikiProject MMOGs. Could kill two birds with one Grail that way - an NPOV check never hurts. CaptainVindaloo 23:29, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

I would hold that thought for a few weeks. Could you guys contact other users who may be of help peer reviewing the article, and possibly consult the League of Copyeditors before going for FA status? The FAC process is quite grueling for certain groups of articles, and that could potentially happen to RuneScape. Nishkid64 (talk) 00:31, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't mean to make people think I'm planning to add the article to FAC in the next couple of days or anything. Just that we've always been after FA, so I figured that we might as well get on with it. Not going to get it by sitting around firing SAMs at passing vandals. Now there's a thought... CaptainVindaloo 16:06, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Would have the screenshot done, but I only got one from a bad angle before having to go. I guess I'll get it done soon, but not sure when, as I probably have to go again soon... Comrade Tux 01:19, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Questions, Comments, and Suggestions

I saw CaptainVindaloo's comment on WP:MMOG and thought I'd check it out.

• Possibly move the fourth paragraph of the lead section up? The first sentence of that paragraph is followed by the similar reworded sentence in the next paragraph, just three sentences away.  Done
• "On 27 February 2002, a membership service was made available, allowing players who choose to pay a monthly fee to access a variety of additional features including new areas, quests, and items. This service significantly changed the focus of the game." -- What was the original focus?
• "...however, they lose all but three most valuable items that they were carrying at the time of death." -- This isn't exactly true, as proven by the reference itself.  Done
• Move up the fourth paragraph in the combat section? preferably before "death." It seems out of place where it is currently.  Done
• I'm not exactly sure what, but everything after the membership section doesn't seem to flow well and reads a little boring. However, one such instance occurs when several consecutive sentences all begin with the same word. (RuneScape#Membership third para, RuneScape#Quests first para, possibly others with the use of "The") Done
• Is this article supposed to be in British English? Done

Good Luck on FA. Squids'and'Chips 02:33, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

To answer one of your questions, yes, British English should always be used in this article. Pyrospirit 02:40, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Fixed Quests para 1! → p00rleno (lvl 86) ←ROCKS_RS 12:21, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

• It needs one or two review sites. Should be easy to do.Matt Brennen 03:40, 1 May 2007 (UTC) Done

All that we have not tended to is the issue of the "original focus." If anyone can fix this... → p00rleno (lvl 86) ←ROCKS_RS 12:17, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

There might be a problem with that, because not many people were around in 2002 (to know what the "focus" was), to the best of my knowledge. Perhaps it's better to get rid of the "focus" bit altogether, as it can't really be cited anyway. Comrade Tux 13:41, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Recreation of RuneScape-related page

Hey there! I've noticed that someone has created a Castle Wars article, titled Runescape castle wars. I've read a bit about the deletion policies but am confused as to whether or not it qualifies for speedy deletion (G4). I'm sure many of you are familar with these situations, so feel free to take care of it as needed. Thanks! --Vaporization 04:47, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

It makes more sense to just put it in a minigame article. I don't think people reading this encyclopedia will need to know every aspect of the game. Mamyles 13:57, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Is there a minigames article? If so, I can undelete the page and move castle wars to that page. Nishkid64 (talk) 14:05, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

There was. You get alsorts trickling in over time. That's why I patrol for rogue subpages as well as vandalism: search for 'runescape', and prod anything that isn't a redirect, one of the "approved" articles or about something else entirely. Try this one for size. CaptainVindaloo 16:17, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Someone made another one now, Runescape holiday items. Not sure whether it existed before, which criterion, etc., so I thought I'd let someone else know so they could put it up for speedy/deletion. Comrade Tux 05:24, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Recent plea from Jagex

In the latest bullitin on cheaters from Runescape.Com, JaGEx asks that people DO NOT endorse sites feeding sweat shops in China. So, If anyone sees and ad for buying gold on any of our 'fansites', I think it should be removed per Jagex's request. It is their game we're talking about here. → p00rleno (lvl 86) ←ROCKS_RS 12:39, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

RuneHQ tried their best to rid of all rulebreaking advertisements, though it is near impossible. Every day another 10-20 ads are put on the site. They have now essentially given up, with over 500 sites on their banned list. If they could, they would. It's not our responsibility to be worrying about it anyway, this is just an encyclopedia Mamyles 13:54, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

RuneHQ's ads are from Google, aren't they? Try complaining to Google and asking for non-RuneScape related ads. Even the damn frog is better than RS money laundering ads. This reminds me of the idea brought up here a while ago of emailing the IP addresses of scammer vandals to Jagex. CaptainVindaloo 16:37, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Most of the fansites seem to be making an effort to remove the cheating ads. I can't see any on tip.it or runevillage. On runehq they are at least dramatically reduced and they say they are trying to get rid of the remaining ones. The only fansite linked here which seems to be DELIBERATELY running cheat ads is Zybez. Therefore the zybez link should go. It will help them anyway since they claim the reason they have to support cheating is because they are too big, and their bandwidth costs are too high. 85.211.177.190 22:15, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

The only people profiting from Runescape are gold sellers. That's why Runescape-related sites are forced into a choiceless decision to either show gold-seller adverts or shut down due to server costs. There are of course adware, pop-ups, and racy (near-nude) advertisers who will advertise on any website- but those are mostly on TribalFusion (the advertiser network that Tip.it uses). All other fan sites use Google AdSense. Google AdSense has a 'block list' that we've repeatedly attempted to fill, but it only allows 200 URLs; and gold sellers change their URLs very easily and quickly. It's impossible to keep up with 50-or-so gold sellers who work full-time changing domain name urls to get past AdSense blocklists. And of course, legally Jagex Ltd has no say in what another independent website advertises. That would be breach of freedom of speech laws everywhere. --Zybez 13:39, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

The ELs are for the top fansites, and Zybez is a part of that. The link shall remain. Nishkid64 (talk) 23:03, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Agreed; the point of an encyclopedia article is to provide information on Runescape, not provide information on Runescape minus the parts which the creators discourage. -Amarkov moo! 00:34, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

(edit conflict with Amarkov)Nishkid, I respect your opinion, but I think that your tone of voice (or your tone of writing) sounds a little bit too authoritative or absolutist. While I realize that Zybez is one of the top fansites, Poorleno et al. do provide good points about the endorsement of cheating sites on Misplaced Pages. Personally, I think that the site link should stay, since Misplaced Pages is not obligated to fulfill the wishes of other companies unless legal action is being taken. This is definitely something to think about, though.--Ed 00:35, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

I apologize for that. It's suspicious when I see an IP come to the discussion here and try to slander Zybez. Just to mention, Zybez is against cheating, as well. Zybez does not "support cheating", and the only reason why the ads are there are because of bandwidth costs. There have been a number of announcements telling users to just ignore the ads. Nishkid64 (talk) 01:18, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm just responding to the comment about how Google runs the ads. Yeah they do, and because of this, its very hard to get rid of them. Over at the RS Wiki we've contacted Wikia's staff about the ads, who asked Google to stop them, and they did, but they pop up in a matter of days. It's very hard to stop them. We just left a notice on the site to report all ads to Jagex.--Richard (Talk - Contribs) 02:05, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

I guess we've done all we can do.
We'll just have to hope the fansites and Google follow suit, for fear of a suit. Stupid cheaters. → p00rleno (lvl 86) ←ROCKS_RS00:06, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Unless Jagex actually says "it is illegal for sites to advertise runescape cheating" (which would never happen), there can't be any lawsuit, I think. There would be no grounds for a case. Nishkid64 (talk) 00:12, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

I don't know about international or British law, but American law does provide for freedom of speech in the Constitution. Can someone help me out with figuring out British law?--Ed 01:09, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

04-May-2007 RuneScape reaches one million members!

quote from http://news.runescape.com/newsitem.ws?id=789

It’s true... RuneScape has surpassed the Million Member milestone!!!

It has been amazing to witness the growth of such a diverse and varied community of people. To have over a million individuals enjoying the members’ game for all kinds of different reasons is both hugely humbling and gratifying. It tells us our efforts are appreciated and we have you, the players, to thank for your support.

We are excited by the challenge to continue to develop the game so it simply becomes better and better. Five years on and we are more passionate about RuneScape than ever. We’ve come a really long way and whether you’ve been with us from the very start, or if you’re fairly new, the incredible impact you have all had has helped shape the game into what you see today.

As the world of RuneScape has grown, so has our desire to make it an even bigger, better and more entertaining experience. We are always looking to bring fresh new ideas to the game, and RuneScape’s development continues at full swing. We already have some very exciting development plans for 2007 and beyond!

Thanks again for your support. Here’s to the future and the many adventures still to come!

Andrew, Paul, Constant and the whole team

i think this is something that should be added? --Zeebaah 18:16, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

It's already been added - the number was changed from 900,000 to one million yesterday in the article (the news was on the Internet before on the RS site). Comrade Tux 19:00, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

What?!? I have long thought that the article read it as 9,000,000! What is the problem with wikipedia acuracy? Or, is it because I read it incorrectly, or the number was vandalised? Ok then, well, you learn something new everyday. I can now confirm my theory about Misplaced Pages being extremely popular. Thanks. – AstroHurricane001 19:09, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Nine million is the number of free players, not members. Comrade Tux 19:17, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Congrats to JaGeX! Remember, be bold on Misplaced Pages! There would have definitely been no issues had you inserted the material with a reference in the article. =) Nishkid64 (talk) 20:53, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Guilds section

A section that lists the guilds in game was added at 19:28 UTC May 3. It has since been removed three times (1, 2, 3) and restored afterwards each time (1, 2, 3). Since this is becoming an edit war, I'm going to open up a discussion on the topic here.

In my opinion, this looks like a crufty list on a topic that isn't of all that great importance (many of those are deserted). Unless something is written about them that is sourced and shows notability, I think it should be removed. Comrade Tux 01:00, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

A guild in RuneScape is not something unique to that particular game. Basically, it's just a certain place a player can go to once they reach a certain level or gain a certain number of experience points. This is not extraordinary. Every game has something like this; it has not received any notable media attention. Try to inform the user about this.--Ed 01:12, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

This is called cruft which is what Misplaced Pages is not. Also, due to WP:3RR being broken, I removed it again. This section is not to be added without further discussion. Greeves 03:16, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Besides the fact that it goes against WP:NOT and it's crufty, the section needs to be written in prose form, not in list form. Even if it is decided to keep that (which I highly doubt), it would need to be written with sentences, and properly sourced. Nishkid64 (talk) 19:14, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

No need for this list, unless RS is the only game ever that allows access to somewhere with a certain skill level. Let's not let these articles descend into edit warring, please. We'll be going straight to WP:LAME. CaptainVindaloo 17:12, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Unrelated

I know this is completely unrelated and should not be here, but....... WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO THE MAIN PAGE?!??!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!? Allhailthepowerofbauerforjackisback 18:18, 7 May 2007 (UTC) Never mind, it's back now.... looking at the history someone tried to delete the main page.... Allhailthepowerofbauerforjackisback 18:19, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes it should not be here as it is unrelated. You will receive uw-chat1. Greeves 22:53, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

For future reference, please see WP:AN/I. Admin accounts were compromised, and whoever was using the password hacker program got into these accounts and deleted the Main Page and blocked Misplaced Pages users. Nishkid64 (talk) 00:06, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Members

I would just like to point out that where it says...

With over nine million active free players and more than 850,000 paying members

That Jagex has reached its 1,000,000 member milestone so that should say...

With over nine million active free players and more than one million paying members

Thanks

--User:Tom140996 07:56, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

In the lead? That was actually changed and cited the day before they announced it. Comrade Tux 12:12, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

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