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*'''] → ?''' —('']'')— Consensus forming to change the current title, discussion and straw poll taking place on the Talk page as to what the title should be —] (]) 11:24, 7 June 2008 (UTC) *'''] → ?''' —('']'')— Consensus forming to change the current title, discussion and straw poll taking place on the Talk page as to what the title should be —] (]) 11:24, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
''':Comment''': This discussion closed on a . Since then there has been more requests request made, one in fact on the same day it was closed,. It was later by one of the Article Mentor’s appointed after and ruling. In addition we have had Straw Polls based on the opinion that . The same editor then , again suggesting that the consensus was to move the article. They have now placed another on the Article. Is it the case that an editor can just keep adding requests until the get the result they want? Editors are just adding there names to a list without forwarding any opinion or rational, hardly consesus. --] (]) 12:18, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

*'''] → ]''' — He became famous with the German spelling of his name. So the page had to start with: ] ({{lang-sq|Ronald Gërçaliu}}, born ], ]) -- ] (]) 10:07, 7 June 2008 (UTC) *'''] → ]''' — He became famous with the German spelling of his name. So the page had to start with: ] ({{lang-sq|Ronald Gërçaliu}}, born ], ]) -- ] (]) 10:07, 7 June 2008 (UTC)


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  • MTV Roadies → MTV Roadies 5.0 — MTV Roadies is the name of the program, whereas this article is about Season 5 of the program. The Season 5 of MTV Roadies is called as MTV Roadies 5.0 (as depicted in the logo in article's infobox), therefore i suggest a move from MTV Roadies to MTV Roadies 5.0. I tried to move it myself but discovered that MTV Roadies 5.0 already exists and has a redirect to MTV Roadies. — Gprince007 (talk) 11:26, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

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7 June 2008

:Comment: This discussion closed on a move request here on the 24 May. Since then there has been more requests request made, one in fact on the same day it was closed,here. It was later removed by one of the Article Mentor’s appointed after and ArbCom ruling. In addition we have had Straw Polls based on the opinion that the no consesus was in fact wrong. The same editor then started another Straw Poll, again suggesting that the consensus was to move the article. They have now placed another Move Request on the Article. Is it the case that an editor can just keep adding requests until the get the result they want? Editors are just adding there names to a list without forwarding any opinion or rational, hardly consesus. --Domer48 (talk) 12:18, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

6 June 2008

  • United States Census, 2000 → ? —(Discuss)— I would like to move the US census articles related to a specific year (i.e., United States Census, 2000 or United States Census, 1790, but not United States Census) and have used a multimove template on all but the 2000 article's talk page. The reason stated for moving to the current name, "United States Census, 2000", is that it makes the names more like election articles. It is hard to see the virtue in that. The election articles developed the "election, " naming convention, but census articles have not. The US articles are the only ones that use this format for census articles. Other countries use various formats for census articles even though they all use the same election format as is used for the US election articles. The inclusion of the comma is not intuitive at all. The common way of referring to censuses in the US is as "the 1980 Census" or the "Census 2000". Options are presented at the talk page that reflect these uses. Also, the current form is unlikely to be searched, and why cut Misplaced Pages traffic by reducing the frequency of redirects. —Rrius (talk) 07:55, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Mr. White (James Bond) → White (James Bond) —(Discuss)— this seems to be a rather contentious title, so I've decided to open a RM on this. The point seems to lie in WP:NCP, which states not to use qualifiers such as Dr., King, Saint. I interpret that as to also mean to not use "Mr" in titles too. However, it is true that this character is only referred to as "Mr. White" throughout the film. So should it remain as what is spoken in the film or do we rely on WP:NCP just list his surname instead? --hbdragon88 (talk) 04:38, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

5 June 2008

And let's not forget all the other election articles: Macedonian parliamentary election, 1998, Macedonian parliamentary election, 2002, Macedonian parliamentary election, 2006, Macedonian presidential election, 2004 and Macedonian autonomy referendum, 2004, which already fall under the more appropriately-named Category:Elections in the Republic of Macedonia. ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· (talk) 23:04, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
Not sure - seems to be a lot of politics in this one. This one should go to a wider discussion as there are two very polarised sides and both of them make fair points. Orderinchaos 11:56, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
This article is victim of move warring. Well before 1308, the city with German merchants and German Lübeck law rights was known as Danzig (Danceke, Dantzike), thus the article had been created as Teutonic takeover of Danzig according to history and the vote policy. The current double name was recently selected by admin Gwen Gale. BTW, the Teutonic Knights were called in as allies of the Polish king, and opposed the local German merchants.-- Matthead  Discuß   10:57, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
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4 June 2008

  • Booker T. & the M.G.s → Booker T. & The M.G.'s —(Discuss)— I have attempted to determine whether or not there is a definitive way to spell and punctuate the band's name, and have concluded that there is no such thing. However, there is clearly a problem regarding the inconsistent ways in which the name is spelled on Misplaced Pages. I reproduce below a comparative table of the way the band's name was spelled on its studio albums and some related albums during its own lifetime:
Green Onions - Booker T. & The M.G.s
Soul Dressing - Booker T. & The MGs
Hip Hug-Her - Booker T. & The MG's
And Now! - BOOKER T. & THE MG'S
In The Christmas Spirit - Booker T. & The MG'S
Stax/Volt Revue Live in Norway - Booker T. & The M.G.'s
Back To Back - BOOKER T. AND THE MG'S
Doin' Our Thing - BOOKER T. & THE MG'S
Soul Limbo - Booker T. & The M.G.'s
The Booker T. Set - Booker T. & The M.G.'s
Up Tight_(Original Soundtrack) - BOOKER T. AND THE M.G.S
Melting Pot - Booker T. & The M.G.'s
That's the Way It Should Be - Booker T & the MG's

It is clear that the most-used spelling was Booker T. & The M.G.'s. I propose that this should become the standard way that Misplaced Pages spells the band's name, not because it is the "correct" way (there seems to be no such thing, and I do not want to violate WP: ORIGINAL RESEARCH by suggesting that I think this is it) but purely as a style guideline. --Lexo (talk) 23:45, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Part of the confusion is created by the band themselves. http://www.bookert.com claims "Booker T. and the MGs", which is what appears on the "Up Tight" front cover, but looking on the album covers at Amazon, there's a real mix:
  • Hip Hug-Her, And Now, Soul Dressing and Doin' Our Thing have "Booker T. & The MG's"
  • Soul Limbo and Back To Back have "And The M.G.'s"
  • In The Christmas Spirit, Melting Pot, McLemore Avenue, The Booker T. Set have the "& The M.G.'s".
In the absence of any consistency amongst primary sources (I mean, why do they have four grammatical variations across their albums, not even consistent with periods of time?) I'd be happy to support any change which unites them under one - & The MG's and & The M.G.'s seem to be the safest bets. Orderinchaos 04:29, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
I imagine that the reason why they had so many different variations was that they were created by whichever happy-go-lucky bunch of people were designing record labels for Stax back in the 1960s - I'm sure they weren't too uptight about how they spelled it, and I can't really imagine the band having an official meeting to decide whether it should be The MG's or The M.G.'s. I would be happy with either of those two, because the capital T and the apostrophe seem to be the most common features, but I would like us to choose just one of them. Lexo (talk) 13:22, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
Unless it's already been controversial, I'd say pick the one you think is best and go with it - it's six of one and half a dozen of the other in my opinion, as long as all of them are the same. Orderinchaos 11:58, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Taoism → Daoism —(Discuss)— I think it's time to propose a move to Daoism. While in the past, the Wade-Giles spelling of 'Taoism' had undoubtedly been more popular, the pinyin spelling 'Daoism' has recently begun to be more widely used than in the past. Misplaced Pages has conflicting policies on the use the spelling 'Taoism'. The Misplaced Pages:Manual of Style (China-related articles) convention is to "use pinyin not Wade-Giles" However, the Misplaced Pages:Naming conventions (common names) is to "Use the most common name of a person or thing that does not conflict with the names of other people or things." The first guideline is clear on the preference for pinyin, but the second is up to interpretation. I am strongly in favour of changing the article name, mostly because it better reflects the correct pronunciation of 道 (dao). Pinyin is already used for almost every other loan word for Chinese, why not for Daoism? --Zeus1234 (talk) 00:08, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Diacritics in tennis player names

For multiple proposal and very long discussion, see this subpage.

3 June 2008

  • Leeds United A.F.C. club records → Leeds United A.F.C. records —(Discuss)— Not everyone may share this opinion, but in my own opinion, a club record is usually limited to records the club or team set as a whole. For example, a club record may be a winning streak or a number of goals scored in a season. However, the Leeds United records article also lists records set by individual players, like Most appearances/Most goals. Personally, I would not categorise these as "club" records, but as individual records related to the club. It is for that reason that I suggest that the word "club" be removed from the article's title. Furthermore, the current title, when written out in full, reads "Leeds United Association Football Club club records". This is an example of unnecessary repetition of words, further indicating that the word "club" should be removed. --– PeeJay 19:52, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
This is an invalid move attempt. The rules for "controversial moves" were not observed. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 04:05, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

2 June 2008

  • Turkish British → British Turks —(Discuss)— It looks as though 'British Turks' is the commonest name for this group, rather than 'Turkish British'. A Google search for "British Turks" gets 9,000 hits ; although "Turkish British" gets 12,000 hits, almost all seem to be in unrelated phrases such as "Turkish-British negotiations" , so the number referring to the ethnic group is probably low. It therefore looks as though the page should be called "British Turks", but feedback would be helpful. --Cop 663 (talk) 13:59, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
...are about church bodies (national churches or denominations).--Carlaude (talk) 14:01, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

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  • Quiz channel → Participation television —(Discuss)— The quiz channel genre, for years incorporated into the title of participation television by the UK communications regulator Ofcom. At the moment, although quiz shows still run, channels and shows are moving towards casino and bingo programming. I feel that to cover these changes and as per Ofcom, it would be better to incorporate everything into an article named participation television with quiz channel as a redirect. ----tgheretford (talk) 16:04, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
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