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Jahangir Preferring a Sufi Shaikh to Kings

... that a painting (pictured) by the artist Bichitr shows an Indian emperor preferring a Sufi saint over the king of England and the Ottoman sultan?
... that a study of people who reported experiences of alien abduction found that many exhibited characteristics consistent with fantasy-prone personality?
... that the My Chemical Romance song "Cancer" was written in eight minutes?
... that Ambo Sooloh pledged allegiance to the British government on behalf of all Malays in Singapore?
... that a pavilion next to New York City's Ted Weiss Federal Building was canceled due to the discovery of human remains?
... that Pocatello mayor Les Purce was the first African-American political officeholder in Idaho?
... that the Chapline columbine is generally considered a distinct species, except in Texas, where it is considered a variety of the golden columbine?
... that a Portsmouth building was Grade II-listed because Eric Rimmington painted a mural inside it?
... that the Glucoboy was advertised as the "first medical device to interface with a Nintendo Game Boy"?

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Candidate entries

Articles created/expanded on July 24

...that the Ikazuchi class destroyers, the first class of destroyers in the Imperial Japanese Navy were all built in Scotland? <self-nom>--MChew (talk) 21:43, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

... that the mother of Ivy Gordon-Lennox (pictured) announced in the New York Times that her daughter was "Not Engaged" to marry Earl Winterton? - self-nom by Xn4 (talk) 20:07, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Length okay, hook fact supported by source okay, looks great to me. Perhaps different emphasis in the hook, e.g. "was NOT engaged to marry", would be better (credit a version revised along these lines to the original nominator). doncram (talk) 22:47, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Sure, but it's a quotation, so I've made it "Not Engaged". Xn4 (talk) 23:11, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

... that the Harwich Force, under Commodore Reginald Tyrwhitt, oversaw the surrender of German U-boats (pictured) at the end of the First World War? - new article, self nom, Benea (talk) 19:19, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

... that Sozin's Comet: The Final Battle is a two-hour, four-part series finale for the Nickelodeon television series, Avatar: The Last Airbender and held the top slot for telecast on broadcast and basic cable television for the week of July 14? --haha169 (talk) 19:00, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

... that Riley Hern was the first professional ice hockey goaltender to win the Stanley Cup? -- 5x expansion, self nom. Maxim_(talk) 17:47, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

... that despite his winning the 1916 election by 43 votes, court rulings removed George W. P. Hunt as Governor of Arizona for nearly a year? -- Article expanded fivefold and self-nom by --Allen3 14:52, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

... that session steel guitarist Lloyd Green has played on 115 number one hits, including those by Jerry Lee Lewis, Alan Jackson, and Dolly Parton? -- self nom by Izzy007 Talk 01:34, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

... that scenes set in the fictional Needmore, Pennsylvania, during the 30 Rock episode "Hiatus", were filmed in Battery Park City, Manhattan? --Jamie jca (talk) 00:58, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
- Another fact from the same article: ... that Elaine Stritch's appearance as Colleen Donaghy, in the 30 Rock episode "Hiatus", earned her a Primetime Emmy Award for Outstanding Guest Actress in a Comedy Series? -- Jamie jca (talk) 01:01, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

David Levine (Seattle) has been moved to #Articles created/expanded on July 19 below. --74.14.18.205 (talk) 13:36, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

... that architect/engineer Sir Owen Williams returned part of his design fee for the Dollis Hill Synagogue because the congregation was unhappy with the finished structure? (self-nom) Ecoleetage (talk) 12:59, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Length and date verified. Ref is fine as well: although article submissions to this website from "outsiders" are invited, the article used as a ref was written by one of the website's research team and is properly sourced with a bibliography. Also, it's a striking building; I'll put an image request template on the talk page. Do we have any DYK regulars living in or near NW2 who could take a pic? :) Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 18:25, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

... that Buffalo Gap Historic Village in the small town of Buffalo Gap south of Abilene contains fifteen outdoor structures and other artifacts which document West Texas life in the late 19th and early 20th centuries?--self-nom Billy Hathorn (talk) 14:16, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

... that one of the owners of Woodlawn Farm (pictured) in Slate Hill, New York used the wild teasel from his fields to card wool at his nearby hat factory? Self-nom Daniel Case (talk) 18:10, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

... that Quang Nhuong Huynh's autobiography The Land I Lost won seven awards and was translated into four languages other than English? --New article self-nom. Malinaccier (talk) 18:08, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

... that the Counter Admiral, member of the Norwegian Parliament and Minister of the Navy Henrik Steffens Hagerup was also the father of later Norwegian Prime Minister Francis Hagerup? -- self-nom by expander Punkmorten (talk) 20:36, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

... that the dark purple-brown mushroom Russula caerulea is edible and mild-tasing, although the cap skin is bitter if chewed? Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:58, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 23

...that the margin of victory in the 1994 Alaska gubernatorial election was the smallest in Alaska's history? Self nom Davewild (talk) 21:59, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

... that the A4241 road in Port Talbot, Wales, was built to remove local traffic from the M4 motorway, which is approaching its traffic capacity with a forecast overload of 40% in the near future? ---new article Seth Whales (talk) 21:47, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

The Right Excellent Samuel Jackman Prescod

... that the National Hero (pictured) is correctly titled The Right Excellent Samuel Jackman Prescod? 5x expansion started on 23rd. Ref is in the lead section. Thx Victuallers (talk) 15:03, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

... that Johnny Cash covered the song Johnny 99 by Bruce Springsteen and made it the title song of the album it appeared on? -- new article self-nom by Rlendog (talk) 00:54, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
- How about "... that Bruce Springsteen's song "Johnny 99" became the title song of a Johnny Cash album?" - Jmabel | Talk 05:30, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
  - I like that better. Thanks! Rlendog (talk) 13:25, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

... that Karnataka state has banned the use of convocation caps – the "mortarboard" – and students have now the option to wear the State's traditional Mysore Peta?--Nvvchar (talk) 00:44, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

... that Francisco de Borja (pictured), a cardinal-nephew of Pope Alexander VI, died before learning of his excommunication by Pope Julius II? Savidan 00:19, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Which one of the 3 in the pic is Francisco de Borja? --74.14.18.205 (talk) 02:08, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

I assume you're joking? It's the baby Jesus and the Virgin Mary, to say (pictured, right) would seem like a bad joke. Lampman (talk) 20:21, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

... that Polish writer Gustaw Przeczek was a member of the Cultural Committee of the National Assembly of Czechoslovakia in the 1950s? self-nom by Darwinek (talk) 22:34, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Feel free to construct better wording. - Darwinek (talk) 22:34, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

ALT:... that in the 1950s, the Cultural Committee of the National Assembly of Czechoslovakia included a Polish member in writer Gustaw Przeczek? --74.14.18.205 (talk) 13:30, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

... that actor Aksel Hennie had to persuade the director that he was not too young to play the title role in the film Jonny Vang? -- both new articles, self-nom -- Lampman (talk) 22:06, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

ALT:... that Aksel Hennie won an Amanda Award for "Best Actor" for his effort in the Norwegian film Jonny Vang, playing the title role for which he was at first deemed to young to play? (a little more context for the general audience of the main page, many of which are not familiar with Norwegian films.) --74.14.18.205 (talk) 13:17, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Works fine, with some fixes to the language. ALT:... that Aksel Hennie won an Amanda Award for "Best Actor" for his effort in the Norwegian film Jonny Vang, playing the title role for which he was at first deemed too young? Lampman (talk) 20:16, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

... that no head coach of the Suns has ever been elected into the Basketball Hall of Fame as a coach? -- new article self-nom by K. Annoyomous 24 21:52, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

... that Mesodermochelys is thought of as one of the better representatives of dermochelyids from the Mesozoic era? Over 30x expansion; self-nom. Mess around with the guy in shades all you like - don't mess around with the girl in gloves! (talk) 21:06, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

... that the first amateur radio operator in India was licensed in 1921? =Nichalp «Talk»= 19:46, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

... that according to the official English account of the Battle of Skerries in 1316, the royal army suffered only one casualty, yet lost the battle? -- new article, self-nom -- Lampman (talk) 17:04, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

SS Yankee

... that early 20th century immigrants to the United States are said to have obtained their first look at New York from the decks of the ferryboat Yankee (pictured)? x5 expansion of an existing article by Gatoclass (talk) 16:21, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

... that Noel Moore was the civil servant responsible for managing the decimalisation of the United Kingdom's currency? -- new article self-nom by David Underdown (talk) 15:41, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Pleae not that whilst I haven't got a cite right after the sentence that mentions the hook fact in either the lead, or the body text (the natural place to put the cite falls a sentence later), the titles of both the two main sources clearly mention it. David Underdown (talk) 12:26, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

... that "Fart Proudly" is an essay about flatulence written by Benjamin Franklin (pictured)? (self-nom)

As I understand, article length excludes quotes, so this one clocks in at less than 1,200. Lampman (talk) 23:01, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

... that the Mason County Courthouse in Michigan (pictured) was first in a farmhouse? new article, self nom by --Doug 11:43, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Nice pic. Hook is a bit awkward, as it pretty clearly implies that the pictured building was itself within a farmhouse. Why not include the available picture of the prior courthouse, the farmhouse? Or reword. doncram (talk) 15:08, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for suggestion - switched pictures. Also thanks for improvements to article. --Doug 15:38, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

... that cerebral vasculitis, an inflammatory condition of the blood vessels in the brain, is so rare that there is little agreement on how it should be diagnosed? Self-nom. JFW | T@lk 09:05, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

... that the Battle of Ontario, between Toronto and Ottawa, is often called one of the top rivalries in the NHL? (split from other article, edited and reformatted; self-nom by User:Random89)

split from other article? Where? Is this a 5x expansion? --74.14.16.88 (talk) 09:21, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Much of the content came from the article NHL Rivalries. I split it off to its own article, cleaned it up, sourced it, and removed POV and un-encyclopedic statements. I think this still qualifies for DYK, but correct me if I'm wrong. Random89 19:05, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

... that Congregation Beth Israel, a Conservative synagogue in Lebanon, Pennsylvania, was designed by Percival Goodman to complement the barns of nearby Pennsylvania Dutch farmers? (created by User:Jayjg, nominated by User:Masterpiece2000) Masterpiece2000 (talk) 08:22, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Article is currently in AfD. --John Nagle (talk) 05:21, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

... that Bao Jinghowlal's middle name, Davis, was the last name of an American solider that befriended his family during the US occupation of Yap? Soccahdude1122 (talk) 05:48, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

No qualifying article. Bao Jinghowlal is neither new enough nor long enough. Art LaPella (talk) 20:43, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

... that in the early 1990s, Surət Hüseynov successfully led a military coup d'état in Azerbaijan (flag of Azerbaijan pictured) to become the Prime Minister? -- new article by Parishan (talk | contribs); nom by Collegebookworm (talk) 07:43, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
- I must say that this article seems excellently made and the creator deserves a pat on the back; Google Translate works well to verify the external sources. Collegebookworm (talk) 07:43, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

... that the 2008 film Fifty Dead Men Walking is based on a 1998 autobiography by British secret agent Marty McGartland, who was later shot six times in a failed 1999 assassination attempt by the IRA? -- new article by User:Moviefan (talk); nom by Collegebookworm (talk) 06:49, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

... that Elvis Presley is said to have made an impromptu performance at Louisville's Colonial Gardens, due to visiting his grandparents who lived in the area? (self-nom)--Bedford 02:55, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

... that pioneer aviator Bill Lancaster died in the Sahara desert exactly one year after the death of the man he was accused of murdering? FiggyBee (talk) 02:40, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

I know that it doesn't explicitly say this anywhere in the article; it's the kind of coincidence that isn't really encyclopaedic, but makes a good hook. :) FiggyBee (talk) 02:48, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

... that Art Deco stamps were issued in a number of countries in the twenties and thirties, including Mexico, Brazil and Chile ~~(pictured)~~? (new article; self nom). Ecphora (talk) 01:54, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

ALT:... that in the 1920s and 30s, various countries such as Mexico, Brazil and Chile issued Art Deco stamps ~~(example pictured)~~? --74.14.16.88 (talk) 02:44, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Picture was removed by BJBot. --74.14.16.88 (talk) 09:21, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

... than in 2002, the Rev. Desmond Tutu called for a campaign of disinvestment from Israel in order to pressure a change in Israel's policies towards the Palestinians? --John Bahrain (talk) 12:56, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure we really need to include the style for Tutu, but if we're going to, as Archbishop Emeritus, he is correctly Most Revd. David Underdown (talk) 13:02, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

... that the red bolete mushroom Boletus rubellus (pictured), regarded as edible by some, tastes of soap?...Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:06, 23 July 2008 (UTC) + User:Luridiformis

... that out of every four U.S. dollar bills, more than three are contaminated currency, tainted by cocaine or another illicit drug? (new article self nom) - Hexhand (talk) 18:22, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

... that Major League Baseball player Dell Alston was signed as a free agent with the Cleveland Indians, only to be released about two years later? --Expanded fivefold. Modeled after Steve Adkins, Santo Alcala, two DYKs.--LAA Fan 20:00, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Isn't this common? -74.14.18.205 (talk) 02:08, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes, it is very common. Length and date verified. The hook? Not so much. The hook is about something too common and it is overall not interesting. Please try to find a different hook. Regards, RyRy (talk) 10:14, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

... that Quang Nhuong Huynh was the first Vietnamese to write fiction and non-fiction in English? New article self nom by Malinaccier (talk) 23:20, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Length, date, and hook verified. But could you find an appropriate category before this moves to the next update? Thanks, RyRy (talk) 00:11, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Moved back from next update; too new. We need to use older ones first.--Bedford 02:11, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Taylor playing in a summer Mexican league

... that Reggie Taylor (pictured), two games after he came back from his injury in 2000, became the second Scranton baseball player ever to collect five hits in a game? Self-nom. -- RyRy (talk) 23:59, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Length, hook and date verified. PeterSymonds (talk) 12:42, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

... that Seattle, Washington's 3.7-mile (6.0 km) Queen Anne Boulevard (map pictured) is designated as a city landmark, but no street sign carries that name? - Jmabel | Talk 02:25, 24 July 2008 (UTC) (5x expansion self-nom)

... that Childress, Texas, located equidistant from Amarillo and Wichita Falls, is known as the "Gateway to the Texas Panhandle"?--self-nom, expanded version Billy Hathorn (talk) 02:57, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

OR:

... that Walter Chrysler, the founder of Chrysler Motor Corporation, lived for a year in Childress in the Texas Panhandle, where he was employed by the Fort Worth and Denver Railway?--self-nom, expanded version Billy Hathorn (talk) 03:04, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

OR:

... that Childress, a small city in the Texas Panhandle, is named for George Campbell Childress, the author of the Texas Declaration of Independence?--self- nom, expanded version Billy Hathorn (talk) 03:06, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 22

... that former Iowa Governor Tom Vilsack began his US presidential campaign in November 2006 nearly two years before the 2008 presidential election? self-nom by William Saturn (talk) 22:04, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
... that Lithuanian artist Vytautas Kazimieras Jonynas designed interiors for over 60 churches in United States, Europe and Australia. Article by Lokyz (talk · contribs), nom by M.K (talk · contribs) Alternatives are welcome. M.K. (talk) 21:15, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
... that a 15th-century bell from the Gokoku-ji Buddhist temple in Japan was sent to the U.S. in 1854 and rung when the Naval Academy at Annapolis won the annual Army-Navy football game? ~ Article by LordAmeth; nominated by Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 11:54, 24 July 2008 (UTC).

... that the Spring Street Financial District, known as the "Wall Street of the West" contains LA's first skyscraper (pictured) and more than 20 historic financial buildings erected from 1902–1931? new article, self nom. Cbl62 (talk) 05:51, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

... that Juan de Borja Lanzol de Romaní, el mayor (coat of arms pictured), the first of ten cardinal-nephews of Pope Alexander VI, crowned Alfonso II of Naples, the future father-in-law of Lucrezia Borgia? Savidan 01:29, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Bolded for ya' --74.14.16.88 (talk) 03:35, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

... that a low side window in the 12th-century St Helen's Church, Hangleton (pictured), may have been used as a hagioscope by lepers wanting to listen to services without entering the building? ~ Self-nom of new article. Ref #6 at the end of the following sentence also covers the "lepers" sentence. Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 22:55, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

stout whiting

... that almost the entirety of the Australian stout whiting (pictured) catch is exported to various Asian countries? Article by Kare Kare (talk · contribs), nom by Circeus (talk) 22:49, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Verified. Gatoclass (talk) 13:53, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

... that John Liston's portrayal of the character Paul Pry was so popular, the image was stamped into butter? (new article; self nom) --Rosiestep (talk) 20:59, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

... that Nevada City's Nevada Theatre is California's oldest existing theater building? (new article by User:Doncram, expanded/nom'ed by me) --Rosiestep (talk) 20:42, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

... that director Jens Lien said he was unable to sleep after first reading the script for the film Den brysomme mannen? -- both new articles, self-nom -- Lampman (talk) 18:12, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

... that a farm near Kasungu was the birthplace of the first President of Malawi, Hastings Banda?

(alternate) ... that the residents of Kasungu, Malawi, live in houses made from handmade bricks and straw roofing? (self-nom, over 5x prose expansion) EJF (talk) 15:54, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

... that the Giant African Mantis (pictured) is kept worldwide as a pet?

ALT: ... that Sphodromantis viridis (pictured), a native of Sub-Saharan Africa, is kept worldwide as a pet? (self nom) House of Scandal (talk) 06:11, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

I get it to be 1,369 characters. Lampman (talk) 18:17, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Oops, sorry about that. I've added text and hope it's long enough now. - House of Scandal (talk) 16:05, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes, the length is ok now, but the sources are pet shops. Are there no non-commercial sources available (memory fails me, was there recently a similar issue?) Also, I believe the main picture in the article would look much better at 100x100. Lampman (talk) 19:03, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, it's the breeders of mantises that provide the most info whether it's from their own sites or from postings at mantidforum.net but there are several non-breeder sources used for this article too: - House of Scandal (talk) 03:11, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, but none of those provide the hook fact. But if the "bug safari"-site is the only one that does I guess it will do, it looks reliable enough. I still say a different pic would be better though; yours is fine in a close-up, but looks dark and jumbled in stamp-size. Lampman (talk) 13:33, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, Lampman! The hook fact is mentioned close to verbatim at the Seattle Bug Safari site and I am pretty sure they are an NPO. And yeah, the other pic looks prettier at wee size. I am spacing out my mantis-related DYK submissions so there's a 5 day gap between each one; I hope that's less tedious for the public. - House of Scandal (talk) 16:40, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

... that the Czech dancer Edouard Borovansky founded the first ballet company in Australia after being stranded there during the Second World War? (self nom)--Cazo3788 (talk) 17:10, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Is Borovansky the nomination? Though it's relatively new, it wasn't significantly expanded on the 22nd. Lampman (talk) 18:20, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

... that comedian Al Madrigal’s first television series, The Ortegas, was dropped from the Fox Network schedule in 2003 before any episodes were broadcast? (self-nom) Ecoleetage (talk) 20:47, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 21

... that Martynas Jankus, Lithuanian journalist and "Patriarch of Lithuania Minor", was penalized around forty times by Prussian authorities for his public activities? Article by Lokyz (talk · contribs) nom by M.K (talk · contribs) Alternatives are welcome, M.K. (talk) 20:34, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
... that Randor Guy is the only non-American whose article has been acquired by the U.S. Government?-self-nom by -Ravichandar_{My coffee shop} 01:21, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

The article says "... the only non-American whose work has been acquired as reference material by the Government of the United States of America." (emphasis added) Its reference says "He was the only non-American historian whose work was acquired by the US Govt." (emphasis added) I don't see how any of the 3 versions can be correct. For instance, the Library of Congress presumably has a copy of the non-American historian Herodotus. Art LaPella (talk) 03:38, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

... that the Stephen Downing case, also known as the Bakewell Tart murder, in which a man with a learning disability had his conviction for murder overturned after 27 years in prison, is the longest miscarriage of justice in British legal history? ~ Self-nom (expansion) by SilkTork * 15:13, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

... that the Stephen Downing case, also known as the Bakewell Tart murder, is the the longest miscarriage of justice in British legal history? ~ Shorter, neater version. SilkTork * 19:00, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

... that in the Texas Revolution battle of Lipantitlán, Texian insurgents captured in 30 minutes a Mexican fort they described as a "second-rate hog pen" ~~in 30 minutes~~? ~ Article by Karanacs; nominated by Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 12:07, 22 July 2008 (UTC).

can we move "in 30 minutes" to after "captured", to make it clear which verb the phrase refers to (and that they didn't spend 30 minutes "describing it as a hog pen"...)? FiggyBee (talk) 02:33, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes—amendment made. Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 08:01, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

... that the Condon Committee report into the Lakenheath-Bentwaters UFO incident in 1956 concluded it was likely that at least one genuine UFO was involved? ~ Article by Quixote34; nominated by Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 11:48, 22 July 2008 (UTC). "In 1956" is optional, of course.

... that Mysore mallige is one of the three varieties of Jasmine, the other two jasmines being the Hadagali Mallige (Jasminum auriculatum Vahl) and Udupi Mallige (Jasmine sambak), which have been patented under the Intellectual Property Right (IPR) and given a Geographical Indication (GI) tag that provides exclusive rights to the local community to cultivate the crop for 10 years?--Nvvchar (talk) 01:39, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

379 character hook. Art LaPella (talk) 03:26, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

... that Mysore mallige, a variety of Jasmine flower endemic to Karnataka state of India, is patented for its unique quality, attribution and reputation? Article by Nvvchar (talk · contribs); nom by – KNM 15:52, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

... that Lenny Wilkens is the only person to the only head coach of the Toronto Raptors to have a winning record? -- new article, self-nom -- Annoyomous 24 00:41, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

The Raptors have had a few coaches before and after Wilkens, and Wilkens' coaching in Toronto has nothing to do with his induction to the Basketball Hall of Fame. Why not focus on the one and only Raptor head coach who has won the NBA Coach of the Year award? --74.14.16.88 (talk) 00:58, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Proposed lists should have two characteristics to be considered for DYK: (i) be a compilation of entries that are unlikely to have ever been compiled anywhere else (e.g. List of architectural vaults), and (ii) have 1,500+ character non-stub text .... Please keep typing. --74.14.16.88 (talk) 01:07, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Hey! Don't change things up after comments have been posted. Leave the old one there and post a new one underneath. Otherwise, comments will look silly, and other readers will be confused! --74.14.16.88 (talk) 01:22, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

About the new hook: Lenny does not have a winning record as the Raptors' coach. --74.14.16.88 (talk) 01:24, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

ALT:... that no head coach of the Toronto Raptors has ever left with a winning record? --74.14.16.88 (talk) 01:04, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

I mean: *... that no head coach of the Toronto Raptors has ever had a winning record all-time with the Raptors? Annoyomous 24 01:30, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

... that Hubie Brown is the only person who coached the Memphis Grizzlies and has the NBA Coach of the Year Award? -- new article, self-nom -- Annoyomous 24 00:28, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

ALT:... that Mike Fratello is the only person to have a winning record all-time coaching the Grizzlies? Annoyomous 24 00:21, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

... that while the Norwegian movie Buddy was described as "simple" in the Norwegian press, a U.S. reviewer called it "overly plotted"? -- new article, self-nom -- Lampman (talk) 22:57, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

... that the Masonic Widows and Orphans Home, founded by the Grand Lodge of Kentucky (headquarters pictured), is the oldest Masonic Home foundation in North America? (self-nom)--Bedford 21:01, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

... that Laila Goody has been called "Norway's most awarded young actress"? -- new article, self-nom -- Lampman (talk) 17:39, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

... that the first man in North America to make snuff was Pierre Abraham Lorillard and adopted the trademark of an Indian smoking pipe standing beside a hogshead of tobacco? new article by User:Xn4, nominated by --Doug 13:22, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
- ~~... that the first man in America to make snuff was Pierre Abraham Lorillard and his tombstone is shaped like a snuffbox? new article by User:Xn4, nominated by --Doug 12:08, 21 July 2008 (UTC)~~
  - 2nd Alt... that Pierre Abraham Lorillard (trademark pictured) was the first man to make snuff in North America? - Xn4 (talk) 13:32, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
    - 3rd alt hook... that Pierre Abraham Lorillard's 1760 snuff factory in New York City developed into the Lorillard Tobacco Company, said to be the oldest tobacco firm in the United States? new article by User:Xn4, (no credit sought) Alansohn (talk) 02:35, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
      - The second hook by Doug is not mentioned in the article. Thingg 18:29, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
        I would like to withdraw that hook, as it has later been determined that this is not known for sure. Please consider the other hooks. Thanks!--Doug 23:46, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

... that South Ockendon Windmill had a pair of millstones powered by a waterwheel? New article created and self-nom on July 21 by Mjroots (talk) 08:31, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

... that Jack De Garis faked his own suicide by drowning before being the subject of an Australia-wide search in 1925? Moondyne 08:16, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

... that Cardinal Tiberio Crispo (pictured), the castellan of Castel Sant'Angelo, is believed to have been the son of his elevator, Pope Paul III? Savidan 01:48, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Comment: I'm uncomfortable with this hook on the grounds that "may have been" gives a semblance of conjecture. --Rosiestep (talk) 06:07, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Hook changed. He was definitely a relative. Some say a son, some say just a relative. Savidan 04:24, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

... that in the history of chromatography, the origins of many current chromatography techniques can be traced to the Nobel Prize-winning work of Archer Martin and Richard Synge? (self-nom) --ragesoss (talk) 01:38, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

What does "modern" mean? Is there sth known as "ancient chromatography"? --74.14.16.88 (talk) 01:13, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

"Modern" in this case means contemporary, as in chromatography as practiced today. I think it sounds better than "many of today's chromatography techniques", although if you think "modern" is too ambiguous I'm open to suggestions. In this context, it seems pretty clear to me.--ragesoss (talk) 20:09, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

You mean "current"? --74.14.16.88 (talk) 13:12, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

"Current" would be fine, too, but I think "modern" is the better choice.--ragesoss (talk) 16:42, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

I'd guess the problem with "modern" is that in a strict sense, the term refers to developments from the 16th century onwards. Some people see it as a synonym of "recent", others see it as referring to an era. Would "recent" work for both of you? Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 18:30, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

I've changed it to "current", which I think sounds just a bit better than "recent" (although that would be ok as well).--ragesoss (talk) 00:30, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Mikhail Tsvet

ALT:... that the origins of chromatography can be traced to the work of Russian botanist Mikhail Tsvet (pictured), but his work saw little use until the 1930s? --74.14.18.205 (talk) 13:59, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

... that Mark Christensen was a dancer, a pilot, a skateboarder, and a musician before making his filmmaking debut with Box Head Revolution in 2002? (self-nom) Ecoleetage (talk) 03:27, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

What is "pictured at right"? "2002?"? --74.14.16.88 (talk) 01:11, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

~~::Ha Ha. No, it is a scene from the movie. I switched the hook to avoid confusion. Ecoleetage (talk) 02:05, 22 July 2008 (UTC)~~

A {{Film-screenshot}}? Is that fairuse? We can't use fairuse pics at DYK. --74.14.16.88 (talk) 02:44, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

The BJbot has taken the pic away. --74.14.16.88 (talk) 03:33, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Okay, that was fun while it lasted... The hook went back to its original form. :) Ecoleetage (talk) 04:04, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Fine... 1RR is allowed here. ;) --74.14.16.88 (talk) 04:11, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

lol. that reminds me of this edit. :D Thingg 14:37, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

heh. forgot to say that the length, date, and ref are fine. Thingg 15:22, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

... that Norwegian politician Christian Birch-Reichenwald was brought in as a government minister by then-Crown Prince Charles in 1858, only to be provoked by the same person to resign three years later? -- self-nom by Punkmorten (talk) 08:40, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

... that the Purple-crowned Lorikeet (pictured) is colloquially known as the "Zit Parrot" from its shrill tsit call? exp x 5 Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:55, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Length, date, and ref are good. Malinaccier (talk) 22:44, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

... that Herman Bagger migrated from Denmark to Norway, to became a member of Parliament, mayor of Gjerpen and Skien as well as a notable newspaper editor? -- self-nom by Punkmorten (talk) 12:10, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

... that Jim Adduci was purchased from the Milwaukee Brewers to the San Francisco Giants, only to be returned one week later?- Expanded fivefold.--LAA Fan 18:53, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

ALT: "that MLB player Jim Adduci was traded to the San Francisco Giants by the Milwaukee Brewers, only to be returned one week later? Thingg 14:25, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

... that Lubbock attorney Warlick Carr in 1962 filed some thirty civil suits within twenty-four hours against the Pecos, Texas, financial swindler Billie Sol Estes?--self-nom Billy Hathorn (talk) 01:29, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

I think it would be better to change the hook to something like "...against the Pecos, Texas, financier Billie Sol Estes?" It's more neutral that way. Thingg 14:21, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

... that the Plumed Whistling Duck eats by cropping vegetation rather than diving in water, as other ducks do?......Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:32, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Article is 1293 characters. Thingg 14:11, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Bigger now. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:03, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

... that Grant County, Indiana is placing Garfield statues throughout the county? (created by JWilliamCupp (talk · contribs), nom by --Bedford 01:55, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Everything checks out. However, of the seven references in the article, two give 404s; one is a personal blog; and one opened a popup and started trying to install something claiming to be anti-virus software on my computer. While it may have been benign I really don't feel comfortable linking people to that sort of site; I removed it. If whoever takes this for an update is burdened with free time I'd suggest they check the article and remove the 404ing links if they're still there. Finally, I've moved this from the 20th to the 21st since that's when the article was created. *deep breath* Still, nice hook! Olaf Davis | Talk 22:52, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 20

... that El Molino Viejo (pictured), a grist mill built in 1816 by native Indian converts from the San Gabriel Mission, is the oldest commercial building in Southern California? new article, self nom. Cbl62 (talk) 19:12, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Length, date and ref. verified. Nice hook: I confess I wasn't expecting something that exciting when I started reading "a grist mill built in 1816..." Olaf Davis | Talk 22:25, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

... that English headmistress Olive Willis founded Downe House School, where her chauffeur-architect-engineer slept in her bathroom? - self-nom by Xn4 (talk) 14:36, 23 July 2008 (UTC) (NB, hook needs to be checked by someone with an ODNB online account)

Length, date and ref. verified. Nice hook! Olaf Davis | Talk 22:28, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

... that a ferry service will be established at Oyster Point Marina/Park in South San Francisco, California to transport passengers to Bay Farm Island and downtown San Francisco? reworked article on July 20.♥_INchile 00:27, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

And this is an interesting fact to a general audience of the main page because... --74.14.16.88 (talk) 10:00, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

... that in August 1934, Dillinger gang member Homer Van Meter was gunned down by police officers in Frogtown? article by User:Lostfan1982 nom. by--Appraiser (talk) 13:32, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Date and length verified, but the ref on the fact in the article supports that Van Meter was gunned down by police, but not where (in Frogtown). Lvklock (talk) 23:13, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

... that following Australia's failure to win the 2003 Rugby World Cup, British pie retailer Square Pie produced a "humble pie" filled with kangaroo meat? ~ Article by Frostie Jack; nominated by Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 12:26, 22 July 2008 (UTC). I don't see any particular advertising/promotional concerns with this article, which has reliable third-party sourcing.

Date, length and ref. verified. Another good hook - we seem to have a nice batch today. Olaf Davis | Talk 22:30, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

... that the sixth emergency special session of the UN General Assembly ended with a call for the total withdrawal of troops from Afghanistan so its people could freely choose their political system? -- new article self-nom by maclean 05:03, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

... that monocopters can have one rotating wing or have only one fixed wing and rotate entirely? created by Francisgraham (talk) --D.B. 02:38, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Date and length verified; offline hook reference accepted on good faith. Yet another nice hook - what did you guys have for breakfast this morning? Olaf Davis | Talk 22:34, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

... that the College of Letters and Science is the largest college of the University of Wisconsin-Madison? (self-nom) Masterpiece2000 (talk) 13:39, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Not the most exciting hook ever, but date, length and ref verified. Lvklock (talk) 23:06, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

... that 29% of the population of Birds Landing, California (population 130) can speak the Spanish language? -- article done over today by me.♥_INchile 02:20, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

This article has fewer than 1,450 characters by my count (not including infoboxes or templates)

... that the 30 Rock episode "Somebody to Love" was the first scripted series, which aired during the 2007–2008 Writers Guild of America strike, to actually make reference to the strike? -- Jamie jca (talk) 21:04, 20 July 2008 (UTC) self nom and referenced in the article.
- Maybe reword as without the embellishments the statement reads "the episode was the first series..." - while the episode is an episode, not a series. —97198 talk 01:46, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
  - ... that "Somebody to Love", an episode of 30 Rock, marked the first reference to the 2007–2008 Writers Guild of America strike by a scripted series which aired during the strike? -- Corn.u.co.pia ŢĐЌ Disc.us.sion 07:35, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

... that Ukrainian Cossack Grégoire Orlyk was a spy of the French king Louis XV, fought in the Seven Years' War, received a title of a comte and was promoted to the general's rank of Maréchal de camp? (self-nominated) --Hillock65 (talk) 17:54, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

... that the Romanian poet Anatol E. Baconsky, who debuted as a socialist realist, came to depict the communist regime as an "anti-utopia" shortly before dying in the 1977 earthquake? (self-nom; old article, expanded in two edits) Dahn (talk) 15:25, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
- Expanded almost 200x (from 176 to 34,932 characters of readable prose). Renata (talk) 19:00, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
- Way to go on the massive expansion. The hook is a combination of a few facts in the article, all cited, but since there are some offline sources I can't give this a green tick. Excellent job on the article, and good to go on length, date, and citations. Vickser (talk) 20:40, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

... that Samuel Johnson (pictured) bragged he could recite an entire chapter of Niels Horrebow's Natural History of Iceland? (self-nom) Zagalejo^^^ 08:22, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Suggest: Commons:Image:Samuel Johnson by Joshua Reynolds 2.png. --74.14.16.88 (talk) 14:34, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Length, date, reference and hook all verified. I like the hook reveal in the article--very funny story. Vickser (talk) 20:30, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Should we mention the story in the hook? I know it's funnier if you go to the article but what proportion of readers actually will? I'm in two minds, but the clincher is that I can't really think of a good way to write it in 200 characters. Olaf Davis | Talk 22:23, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

... that the wards in Plymouth will have a new constituency in the next general election? (self-nominated) bsrboy (talk) 12:49, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
- This should really be under July 19 heading. It is a list, so it should (ii) have 1,500+ character non-stub text that brings out interesting, relational, and referenced facts from the compiled list that may not otherwise be obvious but for the compilation. The lead currently is at 1,116 characters. Renata (talk) 19:00, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Why should it be under 19 July? Sorry about the character counting, I was counting it in edit mode, so it included all the other stuff you don't see and was over 1,500. I'll get to work on expanding it. bsrboy (talk) 19:13, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

July 20 is fine. We go by UTC here. --74.14.17.249 (talk) 20:15, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Whoops, my bad. I forgot I changed UTC with my local time in the preferences. Renata (talk) 21:12, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

LEAD still too short at 1143 char. Need 1500+. --74.14.16.88 (talk) 10:10, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

... that John Palmer, a theatre owner from Bath, whose experimental mail coach run in 1784 from Bristol to London in 16 hours instead of 36 hours, instigated a major reform of the British postal system? (new article nom - Royal Mail mail coach pictured) ww2censor (talk) 03:30, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Should "run" be "ran"? Is "mail coach run" one complex noun? I'm having trouble with the grammar here. Wanna put "(Royal Mail mail coach pictured)" right after that or after 1784? --74.14.16.88 (talk) 03:43, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

It was a single experimental run by a mail coach, so run is correct; it is not the mail coach ran. ww2censor (talk) 15:15, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

So where's the verb in that middle clause? Should there be one? Not sure. But this hook reads a little awkward to me. Perhaps the main verb ("instigated") comes up a little late and I got confused. --74.14.16.88 (talk) 09:32, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Indeed, there is no verb and it is confusing. Perhaps run should be ran; or perhaps in 16 hours should be took 16 hours? FiggyBee (talk) 09:44, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

I like "took". BTW, can the suggested pic be cropped to make the coach appear bigger at 100x100px? We don't need that thick frame on the Main Page. --74.14.16.88 (talk) 12:49, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Rewrite hook: ... that John Palmer, a theatre owner from Bath, instigated a major reform of the British postal system in 1784, when his experimental mail coach ran from Bristol to London in 16 hours instead of 36 hours? (I will crop the print and upload image asap) ww2censor (talk) 20:51, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Cropped image now uploaded and replaced above. ww2censor (talk) 21:02, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Hook revisited:... that John Palmer instigated a major reform of the British postal system in 1784, when his experimental mail coach run from Bristol to London took only 16 hours instead of 36 hours? ~ It was the run that was experimental, not the coach itself. (The article itself makes this clear). I removed the theatre owner bit as distracting. SilkTork * 07:43, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Date, length and ref. check out - although both the article and source say 38 hours, not 36. So good to go with the following hook:

... that John Palmer instigated a major reform of the British postal system in 1784, when his experimental mail coach run from Bristol to London took only 16 hours instead of 38 hours? (later example pictured)

Oops! Well spotted. Yeah 38 is correct. I must have been blinded by looking at too many Misplaced Pages pages and online references. ww2censor (talk) 23:59, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 19

... that Charles Martin Hall (pictured), working as an amateur chemist in a shed, developed what became the Hall-Héroult process for extracting aluminium? ~ Article created by Hyperdeath; nominated by Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 07:58, 21 July 2008 (UTC). Héroult discovered it almost simultaneously, but they weren't working together, so I have gone for "discovered".

"discovered"? Do you mean "developed"? --74.14.16.88 (talk) 01:20, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes, "developed" would be better—I didn't think "discovered" sounded right! Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 11:30, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Length and newness verified; offline ref accepted on good-faith grounds. Hook reworded per discussion Daniel Case (talk) 15:03, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

The article is tagged with {{globalize/USA}}. --BorgQueen (talk) 19:32, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

... that after winning the 2002 Alaska gubernatorial election, Frank Murkowski appointed his daughter Lisa Murkowski (pictured) to serve the rest of his term in the US Senate? Self nom Davewild (talk) 10:03, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
- Length & hook verified. Renata (talk) 21:15, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

... that the buildings with the sign Silver Dew Winery described by Pat Conroy in his autobiographical book The Water is Wide were once part of the Bloody Point Range Lights on Daufuskie Island, South Carolina? new, self nomination KudzuVine (talk) 19:51, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Length and reference verified. Perhaps an additional footnote to the page of Conroy's book could be put in? Daniel Case (talk) 15:13, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

... that the debtors' prisons in Accomac (pictured), Worsham, and Tappahannock, Virginia have all survived to the present day? (Triple self-nom, took them out of userspace today) --19:28, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

That last one, in Tappahannock, could use some expansion, so I'm going to try and beef it up a little bit before this can go live. --User:AlbertHerring 19:28, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

I like these articles...cool having them all added from user space together. I verified the length of the hook and the articles. In the Accomac article, there are two spellings of the place Accomac/Accomack. Are both acceptable? If so, I would note that in the opening paragraph somewhere. If not, edit for correct spelling. My only concern is that the hook includes the phrase "have all survived to the present day" which I'm sure is true, but I'm not sure it's supported by the references, especially in the Worsham article where they seem to be NRHP documents from the seventies and one current one about the Tappahannock site. I've never verified a hook before, so if someone else thinks I'm being too picky, I'll bow to greater experience. I guess I'd alter the hook a little, maybe;

Alt. hook *... that the debtors' prisons in Accomac (pictured), Worsham, and Tappahannock, Virginia are all listed on the National Register of Historic Places?Lvklock (talk) 22:50, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

... that the Blade of the Immortal manga authored by Hiroaki Samura was adapted into an anime series by Bee Train, Production I.G and Pony Canyon? (self-nom) Sephiroth BCR 08:25, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Article has 840 characters. (tables, templates, lists, etc. are not counted) Thingg 16:26, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Expanded the article. Sephiroth BCR 20:12, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Still kind of short ... text in lists doesn't count. Daniel Case (talk) 15:01, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm not counting the text in the list. It should be 1500 characters regardless. sephiroth bcr 19:24, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

I agree with both of you. It's just over 1500, but #Instructions says: "... in practice, articles longer than 1,500 characters may still be rejected as too short, at the discretion of the selecting administrators." Art LaPella (talk) 20:43, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

*shrug* Take it as you like. I would think that 1500+ characters with a non-counted table (that has a big chunk of text in it) would be enough, but that's to the discretion of the DYK admins. sephiroth bcr 22:35, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

... that terrorist organization Hezbollah abducted three IDF soldiers in October 2000, whose bodies, together with Israeli businessman Elchanan Tenenbaum, were exchanged in a 2004 prisoner swap? --Lsdjfhkjsb (talk) 06:43, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Clear POV problems in both the hook and the article, story told entirely from one side's POV. Gatoclass (talk) 14:53, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

... that Viktor Nogin, Mayor of Moscow during the Bolshevik Revolution, was the reason the Russian city of Bogorodsk changed its name to Noginsk after his death? (expanded, self-nom) Truthanado (talk) 02:45, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

There are some interesting choices, so here are some other possibilities:

(ALT hook) ... that Viktor Nogin, Mayor of Moscow during the Bolshevik Revolution, tried to limit bloodshed by trying to build a coalition government of all socialist organizations? (expanded, self-nom) Truthanado (talk) 02:45, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
(ALT hook) ... that Viktor Nogin, Mayor of Moscow during the Bolshevik Revolution, is buried in the Kremlin in Red Square, Moscow? (expanded, self-nom) Truthanado (talk) 02:45, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Serious issues. It's heavily plagiarized from source #2. Source #1 is Misplaced Pages mirror before the article got expanded. The article needs wikification and copyedit. Renata (talk) 23:42, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Please see my reply on Renata's talk page. Truthanado (talk) 01:34, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

The article has been rewritten and restructured to address Renata's concerns. Would you please re-assess? Truthanado (talk) 23:59, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

3rd opinion, please? 20:58, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

My third opinion is that only the second hook is cited clearly enough to be useful. Daniel Case (talk) 16:38, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

... that at The Great American Bash (2005), the Legion of Doom (Road Warrior Animal and Heidenreich) defeated MNM for the WWE Tag Team Championships, to start the eighth longest reign in the title's history? Article I created, self-nom. -- iMatthew _T.C. 11:47, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

EIghth? Surely there's something more notable than that?--Bedford 05:54, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

... that on the edition of SmackDown following The Great American Bash (2005), Eddie Guerrero revealed that he was the (storyline) real father of Rey Mysterio's son? -- iMatthew _T.C. 10:37, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

The main page has a general audience who won't understand what this hook is all about. More context, please. --74.14.16.88 (talk) 12:01, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

... that after Melina successfully stripped Torrie Wilson (pictured) in a bra & panties match at The Great American Bash (2005), referee Candice Michelle stripped Melina and herself as well?

That should draw interest from the general readers of Misplaced Pages.--Bedford 19:16, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

*rolls eyes* The men, at least....but I'm sure you're right, and it will be popular :) Lvklock (talk) 23:31, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Sounds good! -- iMatthew _T.C. 21:26, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

ZOMG! --74.14.18.205 (talk) 01:50, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Suggest: "in" --> "to win". --74.14.18.205 (talk) 13:47, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 18

... that Romania currently has 1.400 MW of nuclear power capacity by means of one active nuclear power plant with two reactors, which makes up to around 18% of the national power generation capacity of the country? Mario1987 19:56, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

No qualifying article. (Also, I think 1.400 should be 1,400 – see MOS:NUM#Large numbers and Economy of Romania#Energy.) Art LaPella (talk) 21:33, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

... that the Crawford-Gilpin House once changed owners due to being lost as ante in a poker game? (self-nom, 5x expansion)--Bedford 02:34, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
- Lenght ok. Expanded from 154 to 1732 characters of readable prose. Else not checked. Renata (talk) 19:15, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
- Per previous discussions on this Template talk page and at wt:DYK, this article on yet another NRHP suffers from poor referencing and other deficiencies. It is arguably plagiarized, in that the DYK nominator is claiming credit for his DYK medal collection, and yet not giving credit to the author of the main source: the author is not even named in the article. Given the DYK nominator's previous statements of commitments not to respond to new or previous comments on referencing or other matters, and given no one else has stepped in to fix up the references or other deficiencies, I recommend this be withdrawn, cancelled, stricken out. At any rate i am putting a cleanup tag in the article and will replace the tag if the nominator removes it. Discussion perhaps best at Talk page of the article or wt:DYK. doncram (talk) 01:08, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
  - Will you grow up? No one cares what you think; they are beginning to realize you are harassing me.--Bedford 01:14, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
    - What I don't like is how abusive and bullying you are to me and to others, especially new participants at DYK. And, when I review your contributions and your DYK nominations, I usually don't like what I see. I have only made well-supported, mild observations about your nominations, and you are over-the-top with foul language and irrelevant arguments in response. It would be simple for you, an experienced writer and DYK editor, to make modest improvements in your work, rather than committing not to respond to the cumulative feedback you have been given. Also, by the way, the hook is not supported by the article. Perhaps the following alternative hook is supported:
    - ... that the Crawford-Gilpin House is claimed to have been lost by its owner in a poker game? Note, by the way, the only source for even this revised hook is a promotional piece, the nomination, written by the owners of the house, who sought to make an interesting story. Alt. hook, doncram (talk) 01:32, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

A source you only have problems with as I wrote it, while you require similar forms for any article rlated to a NRHP to be considered B-class. *rolls eyes* Another admin may have to protect this page, to stop Doncram from trying to sabotage this article from DYK consideration.--Bedford 04:01, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Okay, this article is officially subject of an edit war; I have reported Bedford for violating the 3 revert rule at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/3RR#User:Bedford reported by User:Doncram. Labelling your 4th revert as correction of "vandalism" is bogus. I have a valid point, as explained at the Talk page, that better referencing is necessary. In particular, the DYK hook claim is based only on a self-promotional NRHP nomination, authored by the current owners of the property, which is obscured by the bare URL referencing. It would have been easy for you to address the problems in the article noted, and which have been discussed mildly and gradually in relation to previous DYK nominations here on this page, and also at wt:DYK. Instead you have committed to not respond to cumulative feedback that you have received. Currently, the article shows no cleanup tag, as i placed one 4 times and Bedford reverted 4 times, with insubstantial response at the Talk page. I refrain from adding the cleanup a 4th time, which would be a 3RR violation for me. However, i regret to state, the article is obviously subject of an edit war between Bedford and myself, over this matter of referencing and adequacy for DYK listing. doncram (talk) 04:50, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

I have reported you to RfC, as your harassment of me has to stop. You are trying to vandalize, and I am going to put up a fight about it.--Bedford 05:02, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't think it is appropriate for you, while in violation of 3RR edit warring, to delete the

leading my comment, which i just restored. I also don't think opening the same discussion elsewhere is helpful, but fine, i will go there and respond also. doncram (talk) 05:10, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

And I don't think its appropriate that you insist on harassing me, especially after those like Daniel Case have asked you not to. Get over yourself.--Bedford 05:17, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

For the record, someone tinkered with the references.--Bedford 00:07, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Whatever. Also for the record, in the 3RR discussion linked above, two administrators concurred that Bedford violated the 3RR restriction, and chastised him, and at least one was rather surprised at Bedford's ignorance and/or disregard for the rules, being that Bedford is an administrator himself. They chose not to block Bedford for 24 hours from Misplaced Pages editing, as would have been justified in my view, as the second reviewer seemed to feel that i did not show good faith, because i introduced prior experience with Bedford's prior edits in my first edit summary as i placed the first cleanup tag which Bedford began to revert. Fair enough, although in my view, wp:AGF is getting difficult with respect to Bedford's actions which deliberately, by his own admissions, push all limits. I don't know, do the good people of DYK want to allow Bedford to get away with edit warring and explicit 3RR violations and give him his lousy credit for a DYK to add to his total, forgiving all sins, or not. I think the fair thing is for this DYK nomination to be given a graceful death. doncram (talk) 01:34, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

P.S. Again, the stated hook is not supported by the references. While Bedford declines to answer whether he is a Mason or has other association with Freemasonry or not, he is clearly not a poker player, and his proposal hook seriously mangles the facts. My alternative hook is perhaps okay. doncram (talk) 01:40, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

They saw you violated good faith, which is why I didn't get it. Give it up. SO far, your efforts to harass me and this page have gone for naught; please leave this page for the grown-ups. Are you jealous that I actually try to help Misplaced Pages, not hurt it like you've been doing?--Bedford 02:16, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

... that India's Defence Attaché Brigadier Ravi Datt Mehta was killed in the suicide bombing on the Indian Embassy in Kabul and is being considered for the Kirti Chakra? -- created by Hu114sp (talk · contribs) nom by --gppande «talk» 08:10, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
- The hook is only half-sourced. Plus article needs clean up for various formating errors, peacock terms (writing is in "he was a saint and martyr" style) and reference format. Renata (talk) 20:28, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
  - Clean-up done. Check now. Also, I have added the ref to first part of the hook even though it was not needed as per Misplaced Pages:Citing_sources#When_to_cite_sources --gppande «talk» 14:21, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
    - The article is still very much POV (as it is written based on obituaries that are as usual not critical of the person). Formating still needs a lot of fixing. Renata (talk) 19:46, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
      - Ok, but what type of PoV? Do you have any internet citation which contradicts any of the statements? All statements are well referenced and written in WP:BIO standards. --gppande «talk» 21:17, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
      - Can some recheck the article? --gppande «talk» 09:47, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

... that a recently-discovered marine snail that lives near hydrothermal vents has round its foot armor plates reinforced with iron sulfide made from chemicals emitted by the vents – and it also has the usual type of calcium carbonate shell. The first shelled animals probably made similar use of whatever materials were easily available. (self, expansion of Small shelly fauna) -- Philcha (talk) 10:39, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm... we need a ~200-character long hook in the form of a question, with the link to the DYK article in boldface. --74.13.129.166 (talk) 18:29, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Not long enough. Only about a x3 expansion by my estimation. Gatoclass (talk) 13:59, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 17

... that in 1974, Libya and France signed an agreement whereby Libya exchanged oil for technical assistance and financial support? New article by --I'm an Editor of the wiki 19:31, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

{{#ifeq: length|length| Article is 1292 characters. Thingg 14:48, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Whoa! That's a huge "signature", Thingg. --74.13.129.166 (talk) 18:46, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

No, most of the above is a template intended to explain the fivefold rule. It didn't work for me, as no amount of clicking anything led to an explanation of that rule. Art LaPella (talk) 23:15, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Actually, just FYI, that was a failed experiment. I thought I had removed the "damage", but apparently I missed a couple. Thingg 14:48, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Marie Curie's birthplace

... that at Freta Street in Warsaw New Town there is a Marie Curie's birthplace? Martim33 (talk) 12:51, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

... that Marie Curie was born on Freta Street in Warsaw New Town? Art LaPella (talk) 02:06, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Created July 2, 2006. Within the last five days expanded from 1,951 char. (July 9) to 2,674 char. (July 17) without infoboxes, cats and refs. --Poeticbent talk 15:05, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

before expanding: 15 March 2008 Martim33 (talk) 09:01, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Does not qualify as fivefold expansion. Renata (talk) 19:41, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

... that the Castle Square (pictured) in Warsaw became to develop in the 14th century? or

... that the Castle Square (pictured) in Warsaw developed in the 14th century? Art LaPella (talk) 02:06, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

... that in 1997, at the Castle Square (pictured) in Warsaw, U.S. President Bill Clinton gave a speech welcoming Poland to membership in NATO? Martim33 (talk) 11:37, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Created June 17, 2005. Within the last five days expanded from 3,776 char. (July 8) to 3,798 (July 17) without infoboxes, cats and refs. --Poeticbent talk 15:05, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

before expanding: 19 November 2007 Martim33 (talk) 09:01, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Too old: main expansion was done on July 1. Renata (talk) 19:36, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

File:Gettysburg Mason Memorial.JPG

... that the Friend to Friend Masonic Memorial (pictured) honors an Union officer rescuing a Confederate officer at the Battle of Gettysburg, due to both being Freemasons? (self-nom)--Bedford 01:51, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Just curious, is it usual to include pictures of oneself in articles? It seems likely to me, judging from the resemblance to the picture on his talk page and the fact that the pic was taken by someone with the same last name, that this picture includes the nominator. Just struck me as odd. Is there a policy on this? Lvklock (talk) 09:37, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

I tried cropping myself out, but I didn't like the look. I may have others pictures of it from previous visits, but I have no idea where they are at this time. BorgQueen is known for cropping images to use on DYK. I know of no policy sayin g this is bad or good. It does give the looker some idea how big the monument is, as the handsome guy in question *wink* is 6'4".--Bedford 15:54, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

About the photo, I think that following BorgQueen's example would be best. Also, Bedford and I are deemed to be engaging in an edit war, in which Bedford opposes DYK for another DYK-nominated article involving Freemasons, see Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Grand Lodge of West Virginia - EDIT WAR, and/or July 12 nominations section below. The present nominated article also suffers some of the deficiencies discussed in a current Misplaced Pages Talk:DYK discussion. Reviewers of the present hook should perhaps consult those discussions. doncram (talk) 15:10, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

*Rolls eyes* That Masonic article was a hit piece, written as such. A pure article on any Grand Lodge, discussing its history, would be OK; a piece where the majority of it is recent negative news about the Grand Lodge is not cool. The only reason you got involved in that article was to dis' me, and we both know that.--Bedford 17:55, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

The above image is copyrighted. --Poeticbent talk 01:15, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes, but a copyright that allows its use on Misplaced Pages however we wish; it just means that someone on another website wants to use it, they must say who the photographer was. Besides, it was probably taken on my camera, and I've dealt with the picture taker longer than I've dealt with anyone else (37 years).--Bedford 02:02, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Sounds good to me, but I’d go with the plain {{Copyrighted free use}} instead to be on a safe side. --Poeticbent talk 02:22, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

So other than determining whether or not to use the pic, this article is good to go, and the rest of today's can be deleted. Too bad; the Franco/Libyan would have also made a nice addition.--Bedford 07:51, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm...seems to me that the hook isn't really supported by the article. I was envisioning a midst of the battle "rescue", while it turns out that it happened after the battle, and all that was truly "rescued" were the personal effects of one of the masons. He WAS delivered to a hospital, but he died there two days later. The character counts are ok. I'll leave evaluating the references to someone more experienced....they aren't the type I'm familiar with. Lvklock (talk) 13:48, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

I think Poeticbent and User:Lvklock are being, perhaps, too polite. Let's be clear: The photo is unacceptable for DYK. This is an encyclopedia and it is unprofessional for DYK to feature pictures of DYK wikipedians or their loved ones. Also, the purpose of wikipedia is to put forth free content and DYK should not put forth photos under non-standard licenses, just as it should not include copyrighted photos under "fair use" arguments. As with use of other copyrighted images, it is inappropriate to use a photo with an idiosyncratic copyright, when it should be possible to obtain a photo that is free content under a standard license. Obviously, it would be possible to obtain a free content photo if the DYK nominator would release it under Creative Commons / GFDL / etc. We are supposed to set a model for free content under standard licenses, not for creating unhelpful variations.

About the hook, i agree with Lvklock that the hook is misleading and not supported by the facts. I suggest:

... that the Friend to Friend Masonic Memorial honors a Union officer aiding a Confederate officer at the Battle of Gettysburg? --1st alternative nomination by Doncram
... that the Friend to Friend Masonic Memorial depicts a Union officer aiding a Confederate officer at the Battle of Gettysburg? --2nd alternative nomination by Doncram
... that the Friend to Friend Masonic Memorial honors two Freemasons, a Union officer aiding a Confederate officer, at the Battle of Gettysburg? --3rd alternative nomination by Doncram
... that the Friend to Friend Masonic Memorial depicts two Freemasons, a Union officer aiding a Confederate officer, at the Battle of Gettysburg? --4th alternative nomination by Doncram

I prefer the 2nd alternative nomination above as it is brief and to the point, with less suggestion of exaggerated honor. Hopefully this will suffice for someone to clear this DYK off this board. doncram (talk) 14:35, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Also, i wasn't getting this, Lvklock is being too polite about the references. The references are bare URLs and as such do not lend themselves to evaluation of their quality in DYK review, and they set a bad example. DYK articles are not Good or FA articles, but they do set an example and easy improvements, particularly on referencing, should be incorporated. There needs to be an explicit policy at DYK to make it perfectly clear to the original DYK nominator or others of equivalent DYK experience, that he should not get DYK recognition for poor referencing. I am not sure how this works, but if it is me who is to receive the DYK for one of my alternative nominations above, I am happy to decline receiving the DYK medal if the original DYK nominator or anyone else objects that I also am experienced and should not get credit for a poorly referenced article.

But in the absence of a clear enough policy, and to clear this DYK off the board, I suggest that this particular DYK be posted, with alternative hook #2 above, or deleted, i don't care which. doncram (talk) 14:53, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Yup, aiding is much better than rescuing. I, however, like alt. option 3 the best. I do think the memorial honors, and I think the mention of Freemasons is important for this site. I do agree that I dislike the bare URL references, but since there is apparently no policy against them and the author doesn't seem to care what anybody else thinks of them, I wasn't gonna bother to mention it. I also agree that I would not use the picture on the Main page. IMHO, it seems inappropriate. Lvklock (talk) 16:59, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Option 3 is fine with me. doncram (talk) 17:18, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Rescue might be a problematic word. "Honor" suffices.--Bedford 20:27, 24 July 2008 (UTC)