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Instructions

Using a DYK suggestion string (see below examples), list new suggestions in the candidate entries section below under the date the article was created or the expansion began (not the date you submit it here), with the newest dates at the bottom. Any user may nominate a DYK suggestion; self-nominations are permitted and encouraged. Thanks for participating and please remember to check back for comments on your nomination. Every approved hook will appear on the main page.

DYK criteria

How to list a new nomination

Please use one of the strings below to post your DYK nomination, using the "author" and "nominator" fields to identify the users who should receive credit for their contributions if the hook is featured on the main page.

1. Nom without image: {{subst:NewDYKnom | article= | hook=... that ? | author= }}
2. Nom with image: {{subst:NewDYKnom | article= | hook=... that ? | author= | image= | caption= }}

   To include more than one new or expanded article in a single hook: |article2= |article3= |article4= | (etc)

   To include more than one author: |author2= |author3= | (etc)

   To include alternate hooks: |ALT1= |ALT2= | (etc)

   To add a comment: |comment=

   To add the article you reviewed: |reviewed=

Do not wikilink the article title, or the author username field; the template will wikilink them automatically. Do wikilink the article title in the hook field, however.
Do not add a section heading if you are using the template; the template will add one for you.
Do not include a signature (~~~~) after the template.
Do not use non-free images in your hook suggestion.

An example of how to use the template is given below. Don't forget to fill out the rollover text, so people know what the image is of! Full details are at {{NewDYKnom}}:

{{subst:NewDYKnom
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 | author     = User
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• Note that you should only use one of the above templates for the original hook. If you want to suggest a second, alternative hook for the same article submission, just type it in manually. The above templates output useful code for each submission and if you employ them for alternative hooks, you will mess up the page formatting.
• When saving your suggestion, please add the name of the suggested article to your edit summary.
• Please check back for comments on your nomination. Responding to reasonable objections will help ensure that your article is listed.
• If you nominate someone else's article, you can use {{subst:DYKNom}} to notify them. Usage: {{subst:DYKNom|Article name}}

How to review a nomination

Any editor who was not involved in writing/expanding or nominating an article may review it by checking to see that the article meets all the DYK criteria (long enough, new enough, no serious editorial or content issues) and the hook is cited. Editors may also alter the suggested hook to improve it, or may suggest new hooks. For a more detailed discussion of the DYK rules and review process see the additional rules.

If you want to confirm that an article is ready to be placed on a later update, or note that there is an issue with the article or hook, please use the following symbols to point the issues out:

Symbol	Code	DYK Ready?	Description
	{{subst:DYKtick}}	Yes	No problems, ready for DYK
	{{subst:DYKtickAGF}}	Yes	Article is ready for DYK, with a foreign-language or offline hook reference accepted in good faith
	{{subst:DYK?}}	Query	DYK eligibility requires that an issue be addressed. Notify nominator with {{subst:DYKproblem|Article}}
	{{subst:DYK?no}}	Maybe	DYK eligibility requires additional work. Notify nominator with {{subst:DYKproblem|Article}}
	{{subst:DYKno}}	No	Article is either completely ineligible, or else requires considerable work before becoming eligible

Please consider using {{subst:DYKproblem|Article|header=yes|sig=yes}} on the nominator's talk page, in case they do not notice that there is an issue.

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Articles created/expanded on December 8

Critical Foreign Dependencies Initiative

• ... that information on the Critical Foreign Dependencies Initiative list leaked by WikiLeaks was stated by some companies on the list to be "out of date and full of errors"?

Created by Wnt (talk). Nominated by Silver seren (talk) at 02:10, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Comment: Wnt and I have worked really hard on expanding and referencing this article over the past few days and we're proud to bring it here now. Silverseren 02:10, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Comment. As an administrator monitoring this article, I would point out that there continue to be active disputes about the sourcing of this article, which disputes have overflowed to multiple dispute noticeboards. Many of the disputes involve sourcing, and the article continues to contain a great deal of information that is either unsourced, or from questionable sources. Considering the active nature of the disputes, I do not think it would be wise for this article to be a DYK candidate at this time. --Elonka 04:42, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Comment: I ask the reviewing DYK user to look over the article and determine themselves whether there is "unsourced information". The only information that is currently unsourced is from the factual list from the primary source (the factual list is also supported, however, by two secondary sources at the beginning line of the list, so it doesn't really matter). User:Elonka has been actively pursuing the removal of the primary source in the article (please see here), however, the primary source has nothing to do with the "unsourced sections" or whatever "questionable sources" that Elonka is referring to. And please note that all of the overflowing disputes, save the original one at ANI that isn't active anymore, since there haven't been any new responses for an entire day (see here), have been initiated by User:Elonka. Furthermore, the discussion at AN is currently about the use of links to classified documents on Misplaced Pages. An RfC will likely be drafted soon, but that has little to do with this article. If you would like the primary source to be removed from the article for the period that this DYK nomination is up, I am okay with that as well. Silverseren 05:10, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

P.S. The use of "as an administrator" is very unadministrator-like, since there is no current consensus for your opinion on classified document links, so please don't try and push your rank at DYK. You should be asking things as a user here. Silverseren 05:10, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Another user has made a fairly good summation in terms of User:Elonka's above comment. You can find that user's summation on Elonka's talk page, here. Silverseren 05:36, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Agreed, Elonka needs a {{trout}} for using that as ammunition for their POV; terrible behaviour. Most of the source arguments are just wiki-lawyering at this stage I think. The others have done extensive work sourcing the article. --Errant 09:34, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

The comment that "all of the overlowing disputes ... have been initiated by User:Elonka" is not accurate. For a complete list of where the sourcing issues are being discussed, see Misplaced Pages:AN#On linking to classified documents. --Elonka 14:46, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

• Comment I wish to assure people that there is no unsourced information in the article. Some people believe that the full text of the "2008 Critical Foreign Dependencies Initiative (CFDI) list", a document prepared by the Department of Homeland Security in collaboration with other federal agencies, should be counted as a primary source. It is still a source. We cite it via original Wikileaked cable to the Secretary of State which included it, a Business Insider article which reprinted it in full (and two others more obscure), and a host of sources that Silverseren collected which list the items in one country or province. However, I disagree with Silverseren about any compromise involving removing the primary source while the DYK is up - it is the most definitive source. We should not make a new article worse while exposing it to new editors, nor accede to calls for censorship with no basis in law nor policy nor current practice. Wnt (talk) 15:50, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
  • Wnt, this has nothing to do with censorship, it has to do with proper sourcing, and creating an article which reflects positively on the project. There have been strong concerns expressed by multiple editors about the sourcing on the article, as well as about the large amounts of "laundry list" information. Rather than continuing to argue that you are right and any dissenters are wrong, better would be to listen to the concerns, and modify the article accordingly in an attempt to find a compromise. --Elonka 16:11, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

• I've gone back and forth with you in several forums about whether a primary source is a source. I think WP:Primary is clear enough. Many articles like U.S. State Department list of Foreign Terrorist Organizations use a list based entirely on one single primary source, without demands that each and every organization on the list has to be cited to a newspaper. WP:Notability is applied to articles, not to each and every item on a list. Even so Silver seren heroically dug up reams of secondary sources -- and then the argument becomes that because a secondary source quotes a primary source the information is still primary anyway, which means it's not a source! Just not true. Wnt (talk) 18:09, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

• To be clear, I am not an editor of this article, and am simply trying to ensure that the article stays in accordance with Misplaced Pages policies and guidelines. Right now the article is attempting to reproduce, pretty much verbatim, a section from a leaked classified document. Concerns have been raised by other editors both as to whether it is appropriate to use that document as a source, and whether it is appropriate to include all of the information from that document on Misplaced Pages, especially considering that the classified document is the only source for some sections, and that those sections did not receive any coverage in reliable secondary sources. Discussions are ongoing at the talkpage, and a new Centralized RfC was just opened: Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Use of classified documents. Because the sourcing of the article is in dispute, and because there are questions of legality of using the classified document, I think it would be extremely unwise to banner this article on the mainpage of Misplaced Pages in the DYK section until after the disputes are resolved. --Elonka 17:59, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

• Note that the most recent consideration of this issue at Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Use of classified documents appears to be strongly supporting the legitimacy of the Wikileaks source, like many such discussions before it. Wnt (talk) 18:29, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

• Considering that the RfC was just launched a few hours ago, it's a bit premature to say that it's supporting one thing or another. I am also very concerned by this demeanor that you are using this article, and Misplaced Pages, to make some kind of political point. Misplaced Pages is not a battleground, and DYK should not be used to promote controversial views. --Elonka 21:01, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

• That's a response to a different sort of conversation on my talk page, and expresses my hopes for publication of the article. I did not impose that point of view into the article. I believe every editor has a personal point of view, and should not feel afraid to admit it. Wnt (talk) 04:56, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

• Elonka, it's obvious to uninvolved bystanders that you are on a crusade to stop or limit the use of the Wikileak documents, and to limit their visibility in cases where you have failed to stop their use. Avoiding editing of the article does not make you uninvolved. The RfC so far strongly endorses use of the documents. You may act in what you feel is best for the encyclopaedia, but either your definition of "best" is not shared by the community, or we disagree on the impact of using these documents. Please stop spreading this discussion beyond the 25 fora it already is in, and in particular, please stop waving your adminship around like a magic wand in a content dispute. Admins have no special privileges with respect to content discussions. --Stephan Schulz (talk) 17:04, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Perhaps the best approach here will be to wait and see how the RFC turns out, as we do for AFDs. Gatoclass (talk) 12:09, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

LOL does Elonka work for the CIA?♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:21, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

FWIW, I've verified the hook and think the article is good to go. It looks as if the RfC is pretty clearly going to decide using classified docs is ok and unless I'm mistaken, the article doesn't even directly reference any material from WL. Does anyone have any specific objections to this being promoted? SmartSE (talk) 17:29, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Anything that's got coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources is of course fine, but the unsourced elements should be removed, and there have been requests on the talkpage that some of the list parts would be better presented as prose. --Elonka 07:17, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Which parts are unsourced? The list is referenced off the Business Insider AFAICT and then has extra references for a lot of it as well. Maybe prose would be better, feel free to fix it, but this isn't GAN or FAC and it clearly meets all of our selection criteria. SmartSE (talk) 11:30, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Business Insider is a blog, and not a particularly solid source. As for fixing the article, editors have tried to remove unsourced and poorly sourced information, and they just get reverted. Warnings have been issued to the editors who were re-inserting unsourced information, but it's clear that the article is not yet in a stable state. Regarding the RfC, participation in it has been limited so far, with substantial participation by editors who are involved in the Wikileaks disputes, so I don't believe it would be wise to say that it yet reflects a broad community consensus. For example, look at this discussion at WP:ELN, where the general consensus among uninvolved editors seemed to be that the links to Wikileaks documents should be removed. As for why the RfC is so far saying something different than WP:ELN, I am guessing that this is because there are more involved than uninvolved editors participating, perhaps because many established editors are away for the holidays, so haven't had time to participate at the RfC yet. Ultimately, as regards the DYK question, there is no deadline, so I am in agreement with Gatoclass that the wisest course of action here might be to simply wait for the RfC to run its course. --Elonka 19:09, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Wasn't there a discussion at RSN which said that BI was ok to use though? You're saying there is unsourced material, but aren't pointing out what it is... can you please state what is unsourced so that something can be done? Your claim that it is unstable is false, there have been 7 edits to the article in the last week and regardless, rightly or wrongly, stability isn't a criterion for DYK. Regarding the ELN and the RFC - as I thought I made clear before, they are irrelevant to this article, as it does not contain any links to cables, only secondary sources which discuss them. WP:DEADLINE is about completing the project, when it comes to DYKs there is indeed a deadline, otherwise it wouldn't be right to say "From Misplaced Pages's newest articles:" (there are notable exceptions, but this doesn't seem to be a case to apply one to me). SmartSE (talk) 20:00, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

The discussion at RSN about Business Insider was mostly between involved editors, and there weren't sufficient uninvolved voices to really point to a consensus either way. My own opinion that it is a blog comes from the fact that, as can be seen at the Business Insider article, it has won "best blog" awards. As for the unsourced elements, these are in the list section of the CFDI article: elements which have no sources, and there are even comments at the talkpage stating that secondary sources could not be located for those sections. If the unsourced and poorly sourced (meaning to challenged primary sources or dubious sources such as blogs) sections are removed, I think that would help to address concerns. --Elonka 06:06, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

A "blog" is not inherently unreliable and there are criteria for determining reliability. The Business Insider is apparently notable, professionally operated and edited, and is quoted by other reliable news sources (such as The New York Times) leading me to believe that it's a sufficiently reliable source. This is not the place to dispute an RSN consensus just because you don't like it. - Dravecky (talk) 09:58, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 9

Egyptian shark attacks conspiracy theory

• ... that the governor of South Sinai said the idea that Israel was responsible for the recent shark attacks (species pictured) on tourists in an Egyptian resort needed further study?

Created by Mbz1 (talk) and Prioryman (talk). Nominated by Avenue (talk) at 10:42, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

• This article should be merged into 2010 Sharm el-Sheikh shark attacks that is nominated below. It is one topic, describing the same event. Or make it a double DYK. -- P 1 9 9 • TALK 13:42, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

• If it isn't merged, the hook above would also work for a double DYK. Just make the last link bold too. --Avenue (talk) 14:18, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Agree with Avenue.The second DYK was made. I will contact the other editor to find out, if they would agree to have double DYK.--Mbz1 (talk) 15:08, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

• I'm tagging this one as a precautionary measure as I have some issues with the content and want to be sure we have a stable version before it gets approved. Gatoclass (talk) 15:54, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Looks to me you done with copy editing the "content"? May I please ask you to remove your opposition? Thanks.--Mbz1 (talk) 03:34, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

I'd like to make a couple more tweaks yet. No hurry, this one's still got a couple of weeks' worth of entries ahead of it. Gatoclass (talk) 06:34, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Gatoclass, may I please ask you to review criteria described in how to review the nomination. It states: "the DYK criteria (long enough, new enough, no serious editorial or content issues) and the hook is cited. " (highlighted by me). According to those criteria your opposition is illegitimate. May I please ask you yet another time to remove it?--Mbz1 (talk) 19:34, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

The article appears to be stable now, so I think it's ready for review. Gatoclass (talk) 05:31, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

I've proposed a merger to 2010 Sharm el-Sheikh shark attacks. That article might yield a DYK, perhaps even on this matter, but it's a content fork. I suppose if it doesn't get merged it can then be used.Bali ultimate (talk) 19:03, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

I created it on the same day, without any knowledge of the conspiracy theory article, so it's certainly not a fork of any existing article. It's just an unfortunate coincidence that two editors happened to write two articles on essentially the same topic and nominated them both for "Did You Know" without knowing what the other was doing. Prioryman (talk) 20:37, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Oh, sure. To be clear the "conspiracy theory" article is the fork of the main article. Not saying it was done intentionally, but the attacks and there aftermatch should be dealt with in the broader article about the attacks, which i gather you started.Bali ultimate (talk) 20:42, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Really, you are not saying "it was done intentionally"? Thank you! What a fair assumption, especially counting that conspiracy article was written 7 hours before the attack article was.--Mbz1 (talk) 21:41, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

I was responding to Prioryman, who appeared to feel that perhaps i thought he had done something intentional (i.e. "I created it on the same day, without any knowledge of the conspiracy theory article,"). So, you're welcome.Bali ultimate (talk) 21:47, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Actually the creation of the conspiracy theory article came first (19:24, 9 December 2010 versus 01:53, 10 December 2010 for the other article). So this was not a situation where any article was forked off any other article - it was literally a case of two editors simultaneously and unknowingly creating parallel articles on the same broad topic. I don't think either article should be described as a fork. Prioryman (talk) 21:55, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Oh, sure it should be. Has nothing to do with intent or time of creation. From the first two sentences of WP:Content forking: "A content fork is the creation of multiple separate articles all treating the same subject. Content forks that are created unintentionally result in redundant or conflicting articles and are to be avoided."Bali ultimate (talk) 22:06, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

• Comment I think that the hook, though catchy may need review, more than anything it looks like a case of media frenzying. On reviewing the sources it seems that this could have been a throwaway remark while interviewed on live television when he was asked to comment on the conspiracy theory. un☯mi 08:57, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
• Article has an unresolved merge tag pending and uses a significant number of bare URLs in its referencing. - Dravecky (talk) 09:05, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

The merge has now taken place, conspiracy article merged to Egyptian_shark_attacks_conspiracy_theory#Israel_conspiracy_theory. un☯mi 13:55, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 11

George Burroughs Torrey

• ... that the American painter George Burroughs Torrey, who was also known as the "painter of presidents", was decorated with the Order of the Savior by King George I of Greece for his services?

Created by Gryffindor (talk). Self nom at 07:00, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

• "Order of the Savior" redirects to Order of the Redeemer. Should the in-hook link be changed? Sven Manguard Wha? 18:10, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Well the sources that I have used all speak of the "Order of the Savior". I suppose if the redirect works fine, why not leave it? Gryffindor (talk) 20:15, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

• Ref#11 contains a bare URL. Refs #1 & #8 are the same website. The link at Ref#4 (for the hook) keeps getting me an obituary for Augustus G. Paine, Sr. instead of Mr Torrey's Pictures. Please check the reference section and fix as needed. Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 05:43, 19 December 2010 (UTC) Also, how do we know "Order of the Savior" = "Order of the Redeemer"? --PFHLai (talk) 05:45, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing out Refs #1 & #8, they have been merged. Ref#4 link has been repaired. Not sure what you mean with Ref#11 contains bare URL, is shows me the book and the pages marked where Torrey is mentioned. The Order of the Savior is another name for the Order of the Redeemer. See also definition of Savior aka Redeemer (Christianity), reference added in article on order as well for extra measure, redirect already led to it. Gryffindor (talk) 03:35, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Parafora (album)

• ... that Sakis Rouvas opted not to release his 13th studio album Parafora (2010) as a covermount, despite it having received offers over one year prior to its release and being one of the albums with the most bids since the practice became common for Greek artists following the 2008 economic crisis?

• ... that Sakis' Parafora (2010) received more bids than any other Greek album to be released as a covermount since the practice became common after the economic crisis and all were refused?

Created by GreekStar12 (talk) Greekboy (talk) Grk1011 (talk) Imperatore (talk). Nominated by GreekStar12 (talk) at 00:21, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

• Nicely written article, but the hook is too long at 296 characters. Can you trim it down to not more than 200 characters? —Bruce1ee 08:34, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

• Thank you. I trimmed it down to under 200; I thought it was important to point out that it is only for Greece and decided just to write Sakis, because he is also known mononymously and is credited as such on this album. GreekStar12 (talk) 19:07, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

• Thanks, but one more thing: the last part of the hook ("he opted not to do so") is not referenced in the article. I added a comma to the hook. BTW, does the album release date need to be included in the hook? —Bruce1ee 06:46, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

• How about "but was not"? Also, can we change "2008 economic crisis" to something else as the source does not specify a year and the article it links to is Financial crisis of 2007–2010. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 16:09, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

• What about the statement do you need sourced? There is a source that it was directly released to retailers. Do you mean the fact that he himself opted against it? In that case, "but was not" gives the impression that something unexpected happened, rather than option. We could just use "which were refused". I linked the 07-10 crisis and simply wrote "economic crisis". Also, although it is not hugely important for the album release year, it is endorsed by the albums wikiproject and provides a quick reference as to what particular crisis we are refering, without wasting characters describing it.GreekStar12 (talk) 02:53, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

• How about "recent economic crisis"? Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 03:10, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 12

Ignas Jonynas

• ... that Lithuanian diplomat and historian Ignas Jonynas published little but had substantial influence on future Lithuanian scholars of history?

Created by Renata3 (talk). Nominated by Piotrus (talk) at 13:31, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

• I think the link to the hook and the text is somewhat tenuous.

ALT 2 ... that diplomat and historian Ignas Jonynas contributed articles to the first univeral encyclopedia in the Lithuanian language? All that should be done is a citation just after the sentence that supports this. I assume it comes from source 5. Thelmadatter (talk) 01:21, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

I am fine with the alt, but regarding citation, you should ask Renata, the creator. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 01:51, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Venues of the 1998 Winter Olympics

• ... that controversey over the length of the men's downhill skiing venue at the 1998 Winter Olympics in Nagano almost led to the event's cancellation?

Created by Miller17CU94 (talk). Self nom at 16:15, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

• I don't have access to the offline source, but "A threat to not hold the event in Japan" was just a threat. Moving to a nearby country is not cancellation. How about a hook about Karuizawa hosting both a Summer Olympics and a Winter Olympics? --PFHLai (talk) 07:47, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1... that Karuizawa became the first city to host Summer (1964) and Winter Olympic venues when the 1998 Winter Olympics were held in Nagano? Chris (talk) 20:19, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

• ALT2:... that Karuizawa, Japan, became the first town to have hosted both Summer and Winter Olympic events when curling competitions were held there during the 1998 Nagano Olympics? --PFHLai (talk) 07:21, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Length and dates look good, referencing over all is acceptable if a little heavy on two specific sources, and AGF on the offline source for the hook fact. I have a very strong preference for ALT2. - Dravecky (talk) 09:31, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

• ALT2a (a slight tweak):... that Karuizawa, Japan, where curling competitions were held during the 1998 Nagano Olympics, is the first town to have hosted both Summer and Winter Olympic events? --PFHLai (talk) 09:39, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

That will work. Chris (talk) 14:11, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Neil Macdonald

• ... that the CBC's senior Washington, D.C. correspondent Neil Macdonald is the brother of comedian Norm Macdonald?

5x expanded by The Interior (talk). Self nom at 03:46, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Note: Expanded unsourced BLP (2x expansion)

• ALT 1: ... that Canadian journalist Neil Macdonald's report on the death of Lebanese Prime Minister Rafik Hariri revealed that the UN had sat on evidence pointing towards Lebanon's Hezbollah movement?

Length is good, dates are good, expansion is acceptable for a previously unsourced BLP. Reference good to go for original hook only. I have not verified ALT1. You can take the original hook as-is or consider this ALT2:

• ALT2: ... that the CBC's senior Washington, D.C. correspondent Neil Macdonald is the brother of comedian and former Weekend Update anchor Norm Macdonald? (brings the real news/fake news contrast into clearer focus, especially for younger readers who may not know Norm's CV but are aware of Weekend Update from the current SNL) - Dravecky (talk) 09:40, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Sentral Organisasi Buruh Seluruh Indonesia

• ... that the communist-led federation SOBSI (pictured) was the largest trade union movement in Indonesia prior to the Suharto era?

Created by Soman (talk). Self nom at 03:19, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

• I cant find the informtion that supports the hook in the article.Thelmadatter (talk) 19:54, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

• Article states "SOBSI was the largest trade union federation during its existence. The organization was closely linked to the Communist Party of Indonesia (PKI) but was suppressed along with the PKI after the 1965 coup." (after the 1965 coup = beginning of Suharto era). --Soman (talk) 07:04, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

• Hook looks good; ready to go. It might be worth it to add a link to Suharto/the New Order in the intro, as it is in cited source, and the current presentation appears to have confused the previous reviewer.--Cúchullain /c 13:24, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Kore wa Zombie Desu ka?

• ... that the light novel series Kore wa Zombie Desu ka? was an honourable mention at Fujimi Shobo's 20th Fantasia Awards?

5x expanded by Ike-bana (talk). Self nom at 21:48, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

• Length and dates look good, 5x expansion confirmed, but I cannot read Japanese and so must accept the online source in good faith. (Please note, this also means I can't check for close paraphrasing, an issue with any English-language article based on non-English sources.) - Dravecky (talk) 09:46, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim

• ... that The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim will be run on a new game engine instead of Gamebryo, which had previously been used for The Elder Scrolls III and IV?

• ALT1:... that The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim will use a new game engine that will have technology incorporated from other Bethseda games such as The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion and Fallout 3?

Created by Shardok (talk). Nominated by Ike-bana (talk) at 01:49, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

• Neither of these hooks excite (although the news of TES:V definitely does,) although we are working with limited information. I'd love to see a 5x expansion in Feb and the hooks that generates. Ohh, I'm so freaking excited... Sven Manguard Wha? 19:21, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Faery: Legends of Avalon

• ... that one of the stages in the Xbox Live Arcade game Faery: Legends of Avalon takes place in a city on the back of a giant beetle?

Created by Sven Manguard (talk). Self nom at 19:12, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

• Sorry it took so long for me to do this. It was my first article, and my first DYK submission. Big shout out to Chzz and Fetchcomms for helping me with this. Sven Manguard Wha? 19:13, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

• Meets criteria and was posted here during the 5-day window. Ivolocy (talk) 12:18, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 13

Rugby League Atlantic Cup

• ... that The Rugby League Atlantic Cup, held at the University of North Florida in Jacksonville, Florida, is contested by emerging rugby league nations in North America?

5x expanded by Cuchullain (talk). Self nom at 14:51, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

• "emerging rugby league nations" is not explicitly cited. 5x expansion:412 B -> 2540. Is United States (who is playing since 1954) an "emerging rugby league nation"??? --Redtigerxyz 17:09, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

The US has only been playing with any consistency since 1987, and both the US and Canada participated in the 2000 Rugby League Emerging Nations Tournament; they're all considered "emerging nations" in the sport. But I suppose it's a bit of a stretch of the sources, and I can't find anything else verifying it directly. Perhaps we could just say:

ALT: ... that the Rugby League Atlantic Cup is an annual rugby league tournament held at the University of North Florida in Jacksonville, Florida?--Cúchullain /c 16:34, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Verified ALT. Good to go. --Redtigerxyz 15:37, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

James Van Inwagen

• ... that James Van Inwagen (pictured) operated the Tiffany Enameled Brick Co. in Illinois and a company in Buffalo that made Tiffany Never-Wind Clocks?

Created/expanded by User:cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 18:28, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

• This is a little tricky. Everything else looks good, but the sections of the article that actually say that Van Inwagen operated the companies doesn't seem to be referenced.-RHM22 (talk) 05:17, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

(alt)... that Michigan Wolverines captain James Van Inwagen (pictured) later worked for the Tiffany Enameled Brick Co. in Illinois?

re alt1, I've seen the refs for this much Victuallers (talk) 23:19, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

I've added clarification on the sources for his having operated both companies. Cbl62 (talk) 04:26, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

alt 2 ... that Michigan football captain James Van Inwagen (pictured) operated the Tiffany Enameled Brick Co. and the company that made Tiffany Never-Wind Clocks? Cbl62 (talk) 04:28, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Terrorism and Kebab

• ... that the popular 1992 Egyptian comedy Terrorism and Kebab has been described as one of the best Egyptian films of all time?

Created by User:Milowent (talk). Self nom at 17:15, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

• I'd love for the plot to be incorporated into the hook somehow, as that was what made the film funny. Sven Manguard Wha? 21:02, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Hmmm...hard to keep short, but: ALT1: that a father trying to get a school transfer for his children inadvertently takes over Cairo's infamous Mogamma building in the 1992 Egyptian comedy Terrorism and Kebab?--Milowent • 05:17, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

1461 characters. Too short. The film is not described as "one of the best Egyptian films of all time". The reference just says: "the most popular Egyptian film of all time." Best and popular are two different things. The ref for the plot is not opening (Error:The connection to the server was reset while the page was loading.) or is dead. Somebody please check the link. --Redtigerxyz 17:19, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Will expand and fix any link error on the plot. This reffed source shows that it was ranked as among the "15 best Egyptian films of all time". I also did include the New Statesmen claim in the article that its the most popular Egyptian film of all time, but I believe that's a tougher claim to really prove and is hyperbole from a western author certain he'd never be put to the test on that claim.--Milowent • 17:41, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Still only at 1461 characters. No significant edits to article made in almost 6 days. - Dravecky (talk) 10:10, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

The Legend (opera)

• ... that Rosa Ponselle created at the MET the role of Carmelita in Joseph Breil's "Lyric Tragedy in One Act" The Legend (libretto pictured)?

Created by Voceditenore (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 20:56, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

• I couldn't find in the article the fact that Ms. Ponselle "created" the role of Carmelita, except in her photo caption. Can you clarify? The Interior(Talk) 18:24, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

• You are right, and I didn't notice that the wording is slightly different in the text, it said about the "premiere" that she "played". But I changed it now to "created" and doubled the ref, New York Times, hoping that the author doesn't mind. Ponselle is also listed in the table of the cast for the premiere. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:05, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

• The source does not support the statement made in the article that "Rosa Ponselle...and the American tenor Paul Althouse...created the roles of the lovers, Carmelita and Stephen." The NY Times article says "...Rose Ponselle will appear as Carmelita...Paul Althouse as Stephen..." cmadler (talk) 15:54, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

• Very observant, thank you, she might have fallen ill. I changed the ref to the MET archives, which escaped me so far, because it was in a table heading. The archive has her as Rosa, same as Misplaced Pages. Better? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:16, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Selig ist der Mann, BWV 57

• ... that Gardiner considers Bach the "best writer of dramatic declamation ... since Monteverdi" for the dialogue in his cantata Selig ist der Mann, BWV 57, written for the second day of Christmas?

• Comment: for 26 December, both 2nd Day of Christmas and St. Stephen's Day

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self nom at 15:00, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

• Added elipses to indicate ommission from the quote; added the ommitted parenthetical in the article. cmadler (talk) 20:55, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

• Also mentioned that it was written for the second day of Christmas, with a link to Twelve Days of Christmas (not the song!). cmadler (talk) 21:07, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

• Thanks for adding! I was the afraid the hook got too long mentioning the Second Day of Christmas. I don't see a link between the Three days of Christmas celebrated in Leipzig and the Twelve days, though. The better link would be St. Stephen's Day because that is actually the topic of the cantata. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:09, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
• The ellipse, plus: it's raising curiosity, minus: typically something omitted from a superlative is some restriction, but in this case it is only an explanation of "dramatic declamation", not really changing the meaning. Therefore I suggest

ALT1: ... that Gardiner considers Bach the "best writer of dramatic declamation ... since Monteverdi" for the dialogue in his cantata for the Second Day of Christmas, Selig ist der Mann, BWV 57?

The link to St. Stephen's Day is fine, but I leave it to another editor to decide if the elipsis is needed here. cmadler (talk) 12:55, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

• I have no problem with the elipsis (thanks for a new word!), was just asking, inserted it in ALT1, too minor an edit to start another ALT imo, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:32, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

• I have added spaces into the original hook and ALT1 as the ellipsis representing words or phrases elided from a quote should be separated from the surrounding words. It's worth noting that "Well... things are ok" and "Well ... things are ok" have different meanings. The former indicates a pause in speech but no omitted words; the latter indicates a quotation that has been shortened (such as "Well, taking everything into account, things are ok"). Just FYI... EdChem (talk) 13:47, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Bryan Bush (Louisiana politician)

• ... that the late East Baton Rouge Parish District Attorney Bryan Bush played baseball in the 1950s for the SMU Mustangs?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 03:03, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

• Was it really necessary to list all of his family members? Without that paragraph, it's less than 1,500 characters. - PM800 (talk) 14:25, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

• PM800's point is valid. This is a border-line article on length and makes it to 1500 only because the names of every surviving child, sibling and in-law are listed. Also, the principal source for the article (fn. 1) appears to be a paid death notice placed in the Baton Rouge newspaper, and not the editorial content of the newspaper. While obituaries that are written by the staff of newspapers or wire services are considered to be reliable sources, it's my understanding that paid death notices should not be used as the principal source for an article. (The other two sources are short death announcements from web sites of local radio stations. More specific to the hook fact, the reference does not say that Bush played baseball for the varsity SMU Mustangs baseball team. It simply says he "played baseball at Southern Methodist University," which could mean any number of things (ranging from being a player on the varsity SMU Mustangs team, to playing on a lower level or class team. The source does not support his having played for the SMU Mustangs, which would mean SMU's varsity team. Cbl62 (talk) 16:31, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

http://www.2theadvocate.com/news/111332259.html; there is a newspaper editorial article and two tv stations. Billy Hathorn (talk) 05:09, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

It looks like the article has been significantly expanded since PM800's original comment, and it now also has more extensive referencing. But the concern about the hook fact remains. Is there some source that verifies he played for the SMU Mustangs baseball team? If not, perhaps an alternative hook would be in order. Cbl62 (talk) 09:19, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Revised hook: ...that Bryan Bush resigned in 1990 as district attorney in East Baton Rouge Parish, Louisiana, after pleading guilty to a misdemeanor charge of maintaining incomplete records? Billy Hathorn (talk) 05:33, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

He no longer qualify for BLP protections but he just died on December 4, 2010, so such a negative hook is still at least ill-advised if not outright forbidden. Also, "Louisiana politician guilty of crime resigns from office" is not very hook-y. - Dravecky (talk) 10:16, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

I oppose this nomination of a non-notable person. The difficulty finding a hook is because there is nothing interesting about him. Abductive (reasoning) 10:20, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Don Shows

• ... that since 1993, Don Shows has coached his West Monroe High School Rebels to seven Louisiana state football championships and five runner-up designations?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 03:00, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

• Why not link directly to West Monroe High School, a more-relevant article that could stand a bit of attention? - Dravecky (talk) 08:30, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Change made. Billy Hathorn (talk) 05:28, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Ref 1 says 7 state championships and 4 runner-up designations. It does not 2010. May be "since 1993" should be "since 1989", that's when he started coaching West Monroe. Size verified. References are good. --Redtigerxyz 15:51, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Group Representation Constituency

• ... that a Group Representation Constituency is a type of electoral division in Singapore in which a team of candidates stands for election and is voted into Parliament as a group?

ALT1: ... that an elector in a Group Representation Constituency, a type of electoral division in Singapore, votes to send a team of up to six candidates to Parliament?

ALT2: ... that at least one of the several Members of Parliament in a Group Representation Constituency, a type of electoral division in Singapore, must be from the Malay, Indian or another minority community?

Created by Hstan.2008 (talk), Kslc (talk), Lisasaw (talk), Zhkyaw.2008 (talk) and Smuconlaw (talk). Nominated by Smuconlaw (talk) at 10:26, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Savannah Dooley

• ... that the drama series Huge was created by Savannah Dooley with her mother, and also features her father as an actor and her uncle as the cinematographer?

Created by 97198 (talk). Self nom at 05:02, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

• Wording is a bit clumsy, sorry. 97198 (talk) 05:02, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

How about this:

ALT1:... that the drama series Huge, created by Savannah Dooley and her mother, Winnie Holzman, employed Dooley's father as an actor and her uncle as the cinematographer?-RHM22 (talk) 05:33, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

• That's much better, thanks. 97198 (talk) 03:12, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

A. M. Miller

• ... that college football coach A. M. Miller was called to testify during the Scopes Monkey Trials?

Created by Strikehold (talk). Self nom at 01:30, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

• The source cited in the article indicates that he was told he could be called to testify, but I've found no source to indicate he was actually called. I've found other online sources indicating that he submitted a letter in support of Scopes, but no indication that he was actually called. Unless there's another source that supports the wording of the hook, I think the hook needs to be reworded. --Orlady (talk) 05:32, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

• I see that another Professor Miller, a Brown University biologist, actually testified. I think changing "called" to "notified to testify" would make the hook accurate per the New York Times article. Strikehold (talk) 06:50, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

• Revision: ... that college football coach A. M. Miller was notified to testify during the Scopes Monkey Trials?

the alt above is fine. Length OK etc. Thanks Victuallers (talk) 23:33, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 14

Scotland Yard (TV series)

• ... that the British novelist Edgar Lustgarten narrated selected episodes of the 1957-58 ABC crime/drama series Scotland Yard?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 05:34, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

• Article is just 1530 characters, a significant chunk of which is irrelevant padding about other series only tangentially related to the topic, and that text is sourced to IMDB. - Dravecky (talk) 08:35, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, it's a 53-year-old program and there is nothing else available on the series. The topic of the program would be of interest to many readers. the main source is TV Guide.Billy Hathorn (talk) 05:24, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

• If no information is available, then maybe it's because the subject is not very notable. That shouldn't be an excuse for padding the article with stuff about other series just so that it qualifies for DYK. - PM800 (talk) 05:39, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Van Cortlandt Park – 242nd Street (IRT Broadway – Seventh Avenue Line)

• ... that the north terminus of the New York City Subway's Broadway line was moved to 242nd Street (station pictured) after the Harlem River Ship Canal was dug?

• ALT1:... that the Van Cortlandt Park–242nd Street station (pictured) in The Bronx is the only remaining Victorian Gothic elevated terminal station on an IRT Contract 1 line?
• ALT2:... that the only remaining original scrolled station sign on the New York City Subway is at the Van Cortlandt Park–242nd Street station (pictured)?
• Comment: Possible fivefold text expansion

5x expanded by Daniel Case (talk). Self nom at 19:27, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Atlanta Neighborhood Union

• ... that the Atlanta Neighborhood Union, an all-women African-American association founded in 1908, was a model for other improvement associations?

Created by Drmies (talk) and LadyofShalott (talk). Self nom at 22:31, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

• This claim doesn't appear to be on the page cited for it. Could we get a direct cite for the fact that other organizations were modeled after it?--Cúchullain /c 17:20, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

• Cuchullain, you are correct. Please see my modification; I hope that's helpful. Thanks for your comment, Drmies (talk) 15:39, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Anortė Mackelaitė and Anykščiai Church

• ... that Anortė Mackelaitė created the stained glass windows for Anykščiai Church (pictured), the tallest church in Lithuania which has towers measuring 79 metres (259 ft) in height?

Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk), Nvvchar (talk), Rosiestep (talk). Nominated by Dr. Blofeld (talk) at 16:04, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

• Added an img.-- N.V.V. Char . 16:44, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Sehet, welch eine Liebe hat uns der Vater erzeiget, BWV 64

• ... that Bach has a choir of trombones double the choir in his cantata Sehet, welch eine Liebe hat uns der Vater erzeiget, BWV 64, for the Third Day of Christmas?

• Comment: for 27 December, the date for which it was composed

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self nom at 13:01, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

An inline citation is required to verify that this cantata was written for the 3rd day of Christmas. Additional references for other facts in the article may also be desirable.

• I added three citations for a fact the can be seen in the List of Bach cantatas by liturgical function, Third Day of Christmas. All refs take the obvious fact as given, so one has the date and "3. Weihnachtsfeiertag" (German for third day of Christmas), one has the English term. As for general referencing, please compare to the Bach cantatas which appeared already on DYK, like right now BWV 132. Many facts are substantiated by more than one of the external links and the refs. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:22, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

William Goyen, The House of Breath

• … that William Goyen, whose acclaimed first novel The House of Breath was re-published in a special Fiftieth Anniversary Edition in 1999, was married to Doris Roberts, who played Marie Barone on Everybody Loves Raymond?

Created/expanded by Cirrus Editor (talk). Self nom at 02:23, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 15

Isolobal principle

• ... that Roald Hoffmann's development of the isolobal principle helped to earn him the 1981 Nobel Prize in Chemistry?

• Comment: was developed in a sandbox and recently transferred to article space, I was asked to nominate this student project for DYK consideration

5x expanded by Chem507f10grp5 (talk). Nominated by EdChem (talk) at 02:32, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

2008–09 Temple Owls men's basketball team

• ... that Dionte Christmas led the 2008–09 Temple Owls men's basketball team in three statistics: points per game (19.5), three-pointers completed (107), and total steals (51)?

Created by Editorofthewiki (talk). Self nom at 01:29, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Tony Proudfoot

• ... that before the 62nd Grey Cup, CFL defensive back Tony Proudfoot fired staples from a staple gun into his shoes so as to improve his traction on an icy football field?

5x expanded by Slp1 (talk). Self nom at 20:31, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

• Ready to go. 5x expanded (280 to 1523), hook looks good.--Cúchullain /c 17:32, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Lectionary 297 and Lectionary 298

• ... that Lectionary 297 (pictured) and Lectionary 298 (pictured) were brought in 1819 by Edward Everett, American diplomat, during his first visit in Greece?

Created by Leszek Jańczuk (talk). Self nom at 15:55, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

• Please re-read the hook, correct grammar and try to make it more interesting. Brought where? Most people wouldn't know who Everett was, but the hook goes into such details as "first visit to Greece". Materialscientist (talk) 03:38, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

• Sorry. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 00:13, 20 December 2010 UTC)

• It looks to me that "bought" is meant, not "brought", and that only L 298 is pictured. In this case I suggest (provided the articles are changed):

ALT1:... that the American diplomat Edward Everett bought the manuscripts Lectionary 297 and Lectionary 298 (pictured) in 1819 in Greece during his first visit ? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:28, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Robert Haven Schauffler

• ... that the Robert Haven Schauffler book for Christmas 1907 (pictured) included prose by Dickens and Washington Irving and an article on whether there is a Santa Claus?

• Comment: obviously for Xmas - the link is to a new wikisource article - and yes we've done it before - and is this the first hook with the refs actually in the hook?

Created/expanded by Victuallers (talk). Self nom at 09:33, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Henry Ramsden Bramley

• ... that Henry Ramsden Bramley's Christmas Carols, New and Old, compiled in collaboration with John Stainer, is credited in creating a 19th-century carol revival?

Created by Rob (talk). Self nom at 23:52, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Might be quite nice for an appearance on Christmas Eve? Rob (talk) 23:52, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

• Only 1400 characters per User:Shubinator/DYKcheck. Quotes are not counted. Please add more text. --PFHLai (talk) 05:14, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
• Fixed Victuallers (talk) 23:55, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
  • Thanks for adding the introduction, I've also added a just little more information that should hopefully comfortably tip it over the 1500 character threshold. Rob (talk) 00:37, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

2k is more than long enough for DYK now. Thanks for the expansions. I don't have access to the book ref, so I'd give it an AGF blue tick. An appearance on Christmas Eve is a good idea. I also suggest tweaking the hook to "...credited for a revival for Christmas carols in Victorian (or 19th-century) England?", or at least mention where. --PFHLai (talk) 06:55, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Yuri Kozyrev

• ... that the award-winning war photographer Yuri Kozyrev, who has spent several years in Baghdad, found it important not to be seen as an American but rather as a Russian photographer working for the American press?

Created by Ipigott (talk). Self nom Ipigott (talk) 07:42, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

• Hook (211 chars) is too long. Please curtail it. Verified article prose size (1680) and creation date. "who has spent several years in Baghdad" is uncited. "Exhibitions" section is uncited. --Redtigerxyz 06:09, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

ALT... that war photographer Yuri Kozyrev found it important in Baghdad not to be seen as an American but rather as a Russian photographer working for the American press? Ipigott (talk) 08:23, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Hook is cited, but with a Russian online reference, which I don't understand. --Redtigerxyz 17:52, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1... that the award-winning war photographer Yuri Kozyrev, who has spent several years in Baghdad, preferred to be seen not as an American but as a Russian working for the American press?

"found it important" is not really what he meant, it is what he chose for himself, and thus we end up with a trivial hook (Russian wants to be seen as Russian), thus maybe

• ALT2... that the award-winning war photographer Yuri Kozyrev, who spent several years working for the American press in Baghdad, preferred to live separately in the city? (not sure it is good either - comments are welcome) Materialscientist (talk) 08:48, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
• ALT3: ... that award-winning war photographer Yuri Kozyrev was inspired by Red Army photographer Yevgeny Khaldei? Gatoclass (talk) 11:32, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

• ALT4... that the award-winning war photographer Yuri Kozyrev, who spent several years working for the American press in Baghdad, lived together with Iraqis in the city? Ipigott (talk) 07:21, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Satyavati

• ... that in the Hindu epic Mahabharata, Satyavati – who initially stunk of fish – was blessed with the musk fragrance by a sage, with whom she had premarital sex?

5x expanded by Redtigerxyz (talk). Self nom at 17:07, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

• I will complete the article till Friday. Have to add a little more in Assessment section. --Redtigerxyz 17:26, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

• Comment: If the subject is a work of fiction or a fictional character, the hook must involve the real world in some way. - PM800 (talk) 23:24, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

The Mahabharata is the part of Hindu mythology, which is history to the Hindus, like the Biblical mythology is history to Christians. The hook relates to the traditional Hindu story of birth of Vyasa, the author of the epic as well as a character in it; Satyavati and the sage in question being his parents. Moreover, my previous nominations of the same nature like Kabandha, Tilottama, Chhaya have all been on DYK. --Redtigerxyz 15:29, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

• Ah, OK. I didn't know that. - PM800 (talk) 17:07, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Mongol elements in Western medieval art reviewed. --Redtigerxyz 04:58, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

• Hook looks good, offline reference accepted in good faith.--Cúchullain /c 13:35, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Salcombe Lifeboat Station

• ... that the Salcombe Lifeboat capsized in 1916 with the loss of 13 lives, and again in 1983, with the loss of none?

Created by Geof Sheppard (talk). Self nom at 13:58, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

• added the word "again" to the hook, but still think "loss of none", does not sound correct. a negative or minus of nothing, How about "without any losses, or no lose of lives. Calmer Waters 02:07, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

If you want to use "... that the Salcombe Lifeboat capsized in 1916 with the loss of 13 lives, and again in 1983 with the loss of no lives?" then I'm comfortable with that, but I think it's more punchy without the repetition of "lives". Geof Sheppard (talk) 08:17, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

I'm having a problem with the Nicholas-Leach ISBN. Sure you got the number right? Gatoclass (talk) 13:16, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

I've corrected it as per the COPAC database. Geof Sheppard (talk) 14:03, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

1. Expansion, self nom:

Articles created/expanded on December 16

insertion reaction

• ... that insertion reactions are integral to the Cativa process, used the manufacture millions of tons of acetic acid annually?

• Comment: a new version of the article was moved from a sandbox on 16 December (my time zone), but owing to a cut-and-paste move, a subsequent return to sandbox and a history merge (see talk), DYKcheck is messing up determination of the x5... the proper "old" version is actually at Insertion reaction/old version and so is actually 169 characters, compared to the version at time of nomination which is 11 554 characters

5x expanded by Chem507f10grp3 (talk). Nominated by EdChem (talk) at 11:27, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Venues of the 2000 Summer Olympics

• ... that 40,000 people were involved in venue construction for the 2000 Summer Olympics in Sydney?

5x expanded by Miller17CU94 (talk). Self nom at 15:07, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

• Verified, good to go. 97198 (talk) 03:20, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Namibia–Sweden relations

• ... that official Swedish financial assistance to the Namibian liberation movement SWAPO increased significantly under the Torbjörn Fälldin cabinet?

Created by Namiba (talk), Soman (talk). Nominated by Soman (talk) at 04:36, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

• 3404 B size, Creation date, online references for hook and article verified. --Redtigerxyz 16:07, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

V-2 rocket facilities of World War II

• ... that there were multiple V-2 rocket facilities in World War II?

Created by Target for Today (talk). Nominated by Piotrus (talk) at 14:02, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

The Emperor Jones (opera)

• ... that in 1933 Louis Gruenberg's The Emperor Jones was premiered at the MET, because an opera by a Jew about a black was not wanted in Berlin?

Created by Voceditenore (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 11:34, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

William Shernoff and Hurricane Val

• ... that the payout of $86.7 million related to William Shernoff's case against an insurance firm who failed to accept the damage of Hurricane Val (pictured) in American Samoa was stated to be "the largest insurance bad faith verdict in the state of California in 1995"?

Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk), Nvvchar (talk). Self nom at 12:22, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

• Img added

Probably needs shortening, if somebody could reword it..♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:28, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Charles E. Dunbar

• ... that an interest group in 1958 named the New Orleans attorney Charles E. Dunbar "Mr. Civil Service of North America"?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 02:22, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

ALT... that the New Orleans attorney Charles E. Dunbar was the driving force behind passage of civil service laws in Louisiana in 1940 and 1952?

Deindustrialization of Youngstown, Ohio

• ... that the deindustrialization of Youngstown, Ohio has had a lasting impact in the Mahoning Valley region of Youngstown, as the city's population would literally be cut in half as a result?

Created by Jgera5 (talk). Self nom at 17:47, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

The hook is interesting, but the fact doesn't seem to be cited in the article. Also, though the hook is interesting, I would suggest rewording it as follows:

• ALT1:... that the deindustrialization of Youngstown, Ohio has had the effect of cutting the population of the city in half?

Also, please remember that the article name needs to be bolded in the hook.-RHM22 (talk) 06:09, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

I like the ALT1 better. Thanks! Jgera5 (talk) 01:57, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

No problem! I have fixed the issue about lack of referencing for the hook, so it looks good to me now.-RHM22 (talk) 05:51, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

There should be some wikilinks in the hook. Have bolded the target article. Schwede66 09:37, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Matt K. Miller

• ... that voice artist Matt K. Miller, known for work in Japanese anime, is also a stage actor and artistic director?

5x expanded by MichaelQSchmidt (talk). Self nom at 21:06, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Thomas Spreiter, Inkamana Abbey

• ... that the German Benedictine missionary and bishop Thomas Spreiter (1865-1944) helped found Inkamana Abbey in KwaZulu-Natal, South Africa, in 1922?

Created by Drmies (talk). Self nom at 20:10, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Christopher Columbus Nash

• ... that the former Confederate officer Christopher Columbus Nash, as sheriff in Grant Parish, Louisiana, crushed the Colfax Riot in 1873 and formed the White League in 1874?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 16:48, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

• Made a change to get a reference right after the claim of him being sheriff. Offline sources accepted in good faith. C628 (talk) 22:47, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Biham-Middleton-Levine Traffic Model

Template:DYK Watch

• ... that the Biham-Middleton-Levine traffic model is the simplest model that has both phase transitions and self-organization (video right)?

Created by Purpy Pupple (talk). Self nom at 09:24, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

• interesting! Victuallers (talk) 16:35, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Sal Alosi

• ... that suspended New York Jets coach Sal Alosi once won an award for good sportsmanship?

5x expanded by Kinston eagle (talk). Self nom at 00:27, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

• Article is 5x expanded; however, it is still only 1114 bytes of prose; whereas, at minimum, 1500 is required. I can help with the bare url and collapsed url within the reference section. Calmer Waters 02:19, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Gia Allemand

• ... that Maxim model and reality television contestant Gia Allemand will star as Ava Gardner in an upcoming film about the life of Gianni Russo?

Created by Burningview (talk). Self nom at 04:28, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

• Considering what happened to Eric Stoltz in Back to the Future, let's not use "will star". How about a hook with "is cast to play the role of..."? Just in case a re-casting is in the works. --PFHLai (talk) 18:21, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

• Good point. Thanks for reminding me it's just above speculation at this point. Movie roles definitely are not set in stone especially this early in production. How about, ALT ... that Maxim model and reality television contestant Gia Allemand has been selected to play the role of Ava Gardner in an upcoming film about the life of Gianni Russo? Feel free to tweak it or suggest another hook. Thanks again. BV 02:01, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

• I happen to have the book used as a source for some of the Carl Pavano information, and I'm concerned that a couple of parts of the article are close to it:
• Book: "Pavano drove his 2006 Porsche into a parked sanitation truck". Article: "Pavano drove his Porsche into a parked truck."
• Book: "(Allemand was) ushered away before the police arrived." Article: "Pavano ushered Allemand away from the scene before the police arrived." These are both close paraphrases, perhaps too close. I looked at a few other references and found one other issue in the same vein:
• Reference 1 (Queens Tribune): "she told us that modeling and pagentry have been her way of life". Article: "Modeling and pagentry have been a way of life for Allemand." Again, this is quite close in the structure. These should be addressed before this gets put on the main page, and it would be helpful if someone could check the rest for similar problems. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 22:38, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

• I reworded the parts you've mentioned. I hope it is now satisfactory and that the prose structure is detached from the references. As for the rest of the sources I'm confident they are not as closely followed as the ones you pointed out. Thanks for your concerned advice. BV 23:39, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

MO class small guard ship

• ... the Soviet 50.6 t (49.8 long tons; 55.8 short tons) ship MO-103 sank the German submarine U-250, capturing the commander and five crewmen in July 1944?

Created by D2306 (talk). Self nom at 13:27, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

• Good to go.Thelmadatter (talk) 13:51, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Current nominations

Articles created/expanded on December 17

Death of Aristotelis Goumas

• ... that the death of Aristotelis Goumas sparked outrage throughout the predominantly ethnic Greek region of Himarë?

Created by Athenean (talk). Self nom at 06:46, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Dratshang Lhentshog

• ... that Dratshang Lhentshog is the Commission for the Monastic Affairs of Bhutan?

Created by JFHJr (talk). Nominated by Spongie555 (talk) nom at 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Jacksonville Rockets

• ... that the Jacksonville Rockets, an Eastern Hockey League franchise based in Jacksonville, Florida, were Florida's first truly professional ice hockey team?

Created by Cuchullain (talk). Self nom at 16:04, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Tax Relief, Unemployment Insurance Reauthorization, and Job Creation Act of 2010

• ... that the Tax Relief, Unemployment Insurance Reauthorization, and Job Creation Act of 2010 (signing, pictured) extends not only the Bush tax cuts but also tax-reducing aspects of the 2009 Stimulus?

Created by Wasted Time R (talk), FrankieG123 (talk). Self nom at 12:23, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Brace Mountain

• ... that Brace Mountain (pictured), the highest peak in Dutchess County, New York, is a popular launch spot for hang gliding and paragliding due to the smooth geography of the area?

• Comment: Text expanded fivefold, or almost fivefold

5x expanded by Daniel Case (talk). Self nom at 06:21, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

USCGC Woodrush (WLB-407)

• ... that buoy tender USCGC Woodrush (WLB-407) (pictured) was decommissioned after 57 years of United States service and sold to Ghana in 2001?

• Comment: Reviewed Frank H. Maynard and SS Algoma hooks on 12/19/10

5x expanded by Wpwatchdog (talk). Self nom at 14:00, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1: ... that buoy tender USCGC Woodrush (WLB-407) (pictured) helped rescue 520 passengers and the crew from the cruise ship Prinsendam that sank in 1980?
• ALT2: ... that buoy tender USCGC Woodrush (WLB-407) (pictured) responded from Duluth at full speed through a gale and high seas to the scene of the SS Edmund Fitzgerald sinking in 1975?
• ALT3: ... that buoy tender USCGC Woodrush (WLB-407) (pictured) took part in a rescue rated in the top 10 rescues by the U.S. Coast Guard?

Luxborough Galley

• ... that the crew of an ill-fated slave ship, the Luxborough Galley, became cannibals?

Created by Cygnis insignis (talk). Self nom at 15:38, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

• Looks good, everything checks out - except the image featured in the hook doesn't appear in the article. So either the image needs to be worked in there, or one of the two (I'd recommend the first) images needs to be swapped in for this one. Miyagawa (talk) 16:47, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

No, it isn't in the article. However, the article notes there is a series of six images, all at commons, which were obtained from NMM. Is there still a problem? cygnis insignis 17:25, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Did you know#Images rule 3 states that images for use in DYK must already be in the article. However, as far as I'm aware, a derivable image (for instance a cropped version) is also allowed as I've had one used in one of my hooks previously. Miyagawa (talk) 23:01, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. My other suggestion—no image—is fine with me, the samples I copied are small and a bit dark. I didn't see a problem because they were part of a narrative sequence of paintings; I picked out two for the article and the one above as the most relevant to the hook. I made a crop to the first in the article; its about 25 KB of compressed jpeg, which may look slightly less worse as a 150 KB png image. cygnis insignis 05:28, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Marlborough White Horse

• ... that the Marlborough White Horse was cut from a hillside in 1804 by boys at Mr Greasley's Academy?

Created by Moonraker2 (talk). Self nom at 13:13, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

• Reference looks good, nice article, although an image would help both the DYK nomination and the article along. Does the Geograph Project have a Creative Commons image of it? Rob (talk) 19:13, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

I've had a look; there's only one, which is indistinct, unfortunately. Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 19:40, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I went to have a look at Geograph afterwards as well and thought the same. Not for the DYK nom, but I suppose putting in a request at Wikiproject Wiltshire might be something to consider? It's probably going to be under about 3ft of snow at the moment, though... Rob (talk) 00:33, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Yes, indeed, the hill has been under several inches of snow since I began the article. I also looked around but couldn't find a good image which could be adopted, so I should say let this go ahead without one. Moonraker2 (talk) 23:16, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Oh yes, the DYK nomination is good to go, I was really just thinking for some point in the future. Rob (talk) 01:12, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Easton Lodge

• ... that Easton Lodge was a stately home in England, once famous for society gatherings frequented by the Prince of Wales (later King Edward VII)?

Created by Ivolocy (talk). Self nom at 02:21, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Alternative hook: ... that Easton Lodge, once a stately home in England famous for society gatherings frequented by the Prince of Wales, had 10,000 trees destroyed to create RAF Great Dunmow during World War II? Ivolocy (talk) 02:21, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

John Kuempel

• ... that as the runaway winner of a special election for his late father's seat in the Texas House of Representatives, John Kuempel of Seguin is the 101st Republican in the 150-seat body?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 01:40, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

• One-third of the article is just about Keumpel's election opponents, and it's under 1500 characters otherwise. I'm sure there's more information available for this person, though. - PM800 (talk) 11:22, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Randy Pendleton

• ... that as a lobbyist in 1997, former State Rep. Randy Pendleton worked for the constitutional amendment which permits home-equity loans in Texas?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 01:35, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Farmer Steelman

• ... that over his entire 14-year professional baseball career, catcher Farmer Steelman never batted over .300?

5x expanded by PM800 (talk). Self nom at 11:46, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

• The hook just isn't interesting. Batting .300 is actually a fairly impressive feat, and I'm sure that many players have never batted over .300. There are other things in the article that are more unique or distinctive--for example, leading the league in errors for a catcher in 1904, never hitting a major league home run, or being the only rookie to play for the Brooklyn Superbas in 1900. GaryColemanFan (talk) 07:21, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

• Fair enough. Here are some alternate hooks:

ALT1: ... that in his only season in the Pacific Coast League, baseball player Farmer Steelman led the league's catchers in fielding errors?

ALT2: ... that Farmer Steelman played four seasons in Major League Baseball but never hit a home run?

ALT3: ... that baseball player Farmer Steelman appeared in one game for the 1900 Brooklyn Superbas and was the only rookie to play for that team during the entire season? - PM800 (talk) 07:45, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

• All of the alternatives are good to go. Length, date, and sources for hooks verified. GaryColemanFan (talk) 16:27, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 18

Gillellus inescatus

• ... that the sand stargazer Gillellus inescatus possesses an esca similar to that of an anglerfish, which might be used for luring prey and attracting mates?

Created by Wilhelmina Will (talk). Self nom at 06:59, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

• This is an article about a fish of which only one specimen is known. The word "fish" does not appear in the article. The word "blennie" is used but not explained. I feel the article needs a bit more work and I'm not sure that it is long enough.

Cwmhiraeth (talk) 13:41, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Lectionary 303

• ... that Ph.D. dissertation of Bruce M. Metzger, biblical scholar and textual critic, concerned the examination of Lectionary 303?

Created by Leszek Jańczuk (talk). Self nom at 02:52, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1 ... that Lectionary 303 was described by Bruce M. Metzger, biblical scholar and textual critic, in his Ph.D. dissertation? Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 04:00, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Tutuila

• ... that 11 out of 19 species of land snails found on the island of Tutuila (pictured) are endemic?

5x expanded by Nvvchar (talk), Dr. Blofeld (talk). Nominated by Dr. Blofeld (talk) at 15:11, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

• Added an img.-- N.V.V. Char . 15:54, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Singet dem Herrn ein neues Lied, BWV 190

• ... that the opening chorus of Bach's cantata for New Year's Day, Singet dem Herrn ein neues Lied, BWV 190, combines verses of two psalms and Luther's Te Deum?

• Comment: for 1 January, for which it was written, New Years's Day and also Circumcision and Naming of Jesus

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self nom at 09:47, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Martha Schrøder

• ... that after serving as a deputy MP, Martha Schrøder worked as an ergotherapist and a teacher of the spinning wheel technique?

Created by Geschichte (talk). Self nom at 12:12, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

When We Die As Martyrs

• ... that the song "When We Die As Martyrs" performed by Arab children choir Birds of Paradise has became a world-famous hit song?

Created by Mbz1 (talk) and by Brewcrewer (talk). Self nom at 04:34, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

• I have invited comment from the IPCOLL WikiProject here. Articles about songs where Arab children extoll the virtues of matyrs killing Israelis strike me as a place where we need to be extra careful about neutrality and invite wide participation in our deliberations. I make this comment without having come to any view of the article or the proposed hook. EdChem (talk) 12:07, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

I have some concerns about the claims made in the hook and the article, they do not seem adequately sourced. I would expect a "world-famous hit song" to have more news hits than news.google shows. un☯mi 13:18, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

What a reasonable observation! BTW why it should be in a news? Not to compare the Beatles to birds of paradise, but is the Beatles "Yesterday" a world-famous hit song? Why there are so little news about it? --Mbz1 (talk) 15:00, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

• The cited claim "world-famous hit song" is dubious, and a poor description of the cited text "the song is a hit on Arabic and worldwide websites," which is quite frankly purely subjective. So the DYK fact is not clear, nor frankly is the notability of a YouTube phenomenon. The cited sources seem to make Bird of Paradise notable, however.--Carwil (talk) 14:07, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

• Alt 1 ... that the song "When We Die As Martyrs", performed by Arab children's choir Birds of Paradise, has swept Arab satellite channels, becoming some of the most popular programming for Arab children?

Alt 1 is supported by this source--Mbz1 (talk) 15:00, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

• Alt 2... that the song "When We Die As Martyrs" is performed by the Arab children's choir Birds of Paradise?

Alt 2 is supported by all the sources.--Mbz1 (talk) 15:00, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

• I took the liberty, Mbz1, of making minor grammatical changes to your ALT1 and ALT2. "Becoming some of" in ALT1 strikes me as off, but I don't know how to change it. Also, maybe "song" in ALT3 should be changed to "hit song" (supported by the Haaretz source and by others, I think). Jalapenos do exist (talk) 21:09, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
• Date, size and hook are verified. I like Alt1 the best. Good to go.--Broccoli (talk) 17:26, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Crossair Flight 850

• ... that the investigation by the Bundesstelle für Flugunfalluntersuchung into the accident that befell Crossair Flight 850 took 3,005 days to complete?

Created by Mjroots (talk). Self nom at 20:14, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

• Very thorough article - well done. Length, date and hook refs verified. I do wonder though whether you might be selling yourself a bit short with that hook. You mention the length of the investigation but provide no explanation of why it took so long. For me as a layman, I found the most striking aspect of the article was the lack of casualties considering the amount of damage the plane suffered. Might I suggest an alternative hook? ALT1: ... that in July 2002, Crossair Flight 850 hit an earth bank on landing, lost all three undercarriage legs, caught fire and slid to a halt, but only one passenger was slightly injured? Prioryman (talk) 21:36, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

• I prefer my original hook, although 3,005 days could be replaced with "over 8 years" without detracting from the hook. No idea why the investigation went on so long, but apparently the BFU have a reputation for being even slower than Read About It Belatedly! Mjroots (talk) 23:17, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1 ... that the investigation by the Bundesstelle für Flugunfalluntersuchung into the Crossair Flight 850 accident took 3,005 days to complete?

I suggest a shorter hook. Schwede66 17:20, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Stephen Venard

• ... that Stephen Venard (pictured), a 19th century Nevada City, California lawman and renowned road agent killer, used a Henry rifle?

Created by Rosiestep (talk). Self nom at 19:17, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Kenneth M. Hoyt

• ... that in 1988, President Ronald Reagan nominated Kenneth M. Hoyt to be the first African American federal judge in the state of Texas.

Created by BD2412 (talk). Self nom at 15:45, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

• Article is not new, needs citation tags and is only 1,110 characters long. KimChee (talk) 21:37, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Capparis tomentosa

• ... that the Woolly Caper Bush (Capparis tomentosa) has fragrant flowers and is a foodplant for several butterflies, but if eaten by livestock can cause their death by toxins damaging internal organs?

5x expanded by Michaelwild (talk). Self nom at 15:07, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

• Nice article and great pictures, but it hasn't been expanded since you created it back in August. DYKs need to be submitted within 5 (maybe 10) days of the article being created. SmartSE (talk) 12:10, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Dick Hoerner

• ... that Dick Hoerner played in three consecutive NFL Championship Games, became the Los Angeles Rams' all-time leading rusher and was considered "a murderous line backer"?

5x expanded by Cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 09:13, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Harvey Wells House

• ... that Harvey Wells founded the city of Wellston, Ohio, but he never owned his own house there?

• Comment: I counted 2,393 characters in the article. Note that the sources for the hook are split: the first half is dependent on the phrase "due to its significant place as the home of the city's founder", while the second half rests on "He never owned the house or the land upon which it sits", and both are sourced to this page.

Created by Nyttend (talk). Self nom at 06:29, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Ham Iburg

• ... that since 1900, Ham Iburg has the most wins in Major League Baseball for a pitcher whose last name starts with the letter "I"?

5x expanded by PM800 (talk). Self nom at 05:19, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Colin Beyer

• ... that Georgina Beyer first came out to her stepfather Colin Beyer before telling her mother about her sex reassignment surgery?

• ALT1:... that former New Zealand MP Georgina Beyer first came out to her stepfather Colin Beyer before telling her mother about her sex reassignment surgery?
• Comment: Thought I'd try out a 2x expansion of an unreferenced BLP, and found quite an interesting character. I got Georgina's autobiography out of the library, but you can (just) verify the hook fact with Google snippet view.

2x expansion of uBLP by Schwede66 (talk). Self nom at 04:52, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Davey Dunkle

• ... that although baseball pitcher Davey Dunkle won 30 games in 1902, writer Bob Carroll still claimed that Dunkle had already "lost his effectiveness" five years earlier?

5x expanded by PM800 (talk). Self nom at 13:49, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Hushang Ansary

• ... that the 1977 selection of Jamshid Amouzegar as Iranian Prime Minister instead of Hushang Ansary has been called “one of the shah’s two biggest mistakes, leading to the revolution”?

• Comment: I believe this qualifies under the new 2x-expanded-BLP rule. The cited section of the book is visible in Google Books' preview.

5x expanded by Brian the Editor (talk). Self nom at 05:11, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 19

Sausapor

• ... that after a tsutsugamushi epidemic occurred at Sausapor, research was conducted on the area's rats and mites, using C-rations as rat bait, to better understand the illness' epidemiology?

Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk), Rosiestep (talk), Nvvchar (talk). Nominated by Rosiestep (talk) at 05:01, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

George Christensen

• ... that Oregon Duck and Detroit Lion George Christensen and a football teammate founded a multinational manufacturing company with factories in France, Japan, Canada and South America?

5x expanded by Cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 04:51, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Collybia, Collybia cookei, Collybia cirrhata, Collybia tuberosa

• ... that the three species of the fungal genus Collybia—C. cookei (pictured), C. cirrhata, and C. tuberosa—all grow on the decomposing remains of other mushrooms?

• Comment: The genus article is a joint expansion by myself and Strobilomyces; the three species articles are creations by me.

5x expanded by Sasata (talk). Self nom at 08:46, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Sources fine. Article lengths fine. Picture license is CC-BY-SA. Ready to go. --İnfoCan (talk) 17:12, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Bronze Fonz

• ... that Milwaukee's Bronze Fonz is an $85,000 public artwork of a Happy Days TV show character?

Created by Stacepaprocki (talk). Nominated by Jgmikulay (talk) at 03:21, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

• Length, date, and source for hook verified. I looked through the DYK rules and additional rules, but saw nothing about a cleanup banner prohibiting an article from being featured on DYK. If I somehow missed a rule about that, I would appreciate it if someone could please let me know. GaryColemanFan (talk) 06:19, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

• You're right in that there's no specific rule about cleanup banners, but the reason for the cleanup banner is kind of obvious. The article needs a copy edit before it gets featured on the main page. For example, "85,000 dollars" should probably be changed to "US$85,000". There are bare URLs used as references, too, and that needs to be fixed. - PM800 (talk) 06:28, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for considering the article. Per User:PM800's suggestions, I changed the currency style and elaborated the references. If you have other suggestions, perhaps they could be noted on the article's talk page? Jgmikulay (talk) 15:27, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Koor, Indonesia

• ... that Koor in West Papua has been proposed to become part of a protected nature reserve protecting important leatherback sea turtle nesting grounds?

5x expanded by Dr. Blofeld (talk). Self nom at 07:40, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

• 5x, date and references verified, tweaked the hook wording a little bit. You're at 1432 characters, however, please expand it just a little bit further :) An unusual case of a 5x under 1500 chars. — Toдor Boжinov — 14:06, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Nono. If you check the text, it is the prose which has been expanded more than 5 fold. Yep just checked expansion from 331 bytes to 4,116 bytes with is at least a x13 prose expansion. The infobox doesn't count. Oh you mean the length of the hook is actually undersized? Wow, that's unusual!!♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:09, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

• Er, no. TodorBozhinov means that the article is undersized. The number of bytes doesn't matter, it's the characters of prose. And in addition to the 5x expansion rule, articles also need to have at least 1500 characters. This article currently has 1432. - PM800 (talk) 14:28, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

• Yup, 70 characters short of the 1500 minimum characters of prose, sorry I couldn't explain it better. Add a few more words and it will be all good :) — Toдor Boжinov — 15:25, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

• I've made some amendments to the text to fix a few issues and clarify a couple of points. However, I'm uncertain about the source being used about the nature reserve proposal. I thought at first the source was something to do with the Indonesian government, but it just seems to be some bloke's personal website about sightseeing in Indonesia - see http://www.indonesiatraveling.com/index.htm . It doesn't look like a great source to me, and the lack of updates on the site's news page suggests that he's no longer updating it. Prioryman (talk) 21:21, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Frank Estes Cole

• ... that before his election in 1944 and 1956 to both houses of the Louisiana Legislature, Frank Estes Cole had been an LSU Tigers football player and a high school coach in Rayville and Many, Louisiana?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 02:39, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

ALT:... that, as a member of both houses of the Louisiana State Legislature, Frank Estes Cole pushed for creation of the Sabine Valley Vocational-Technical School in Many, Louisiana?

• I definitely prefer the first hook, as the second one doesn't sound particularly unique or distinctive. My concern, though, is that the source doesn't actually state that he coached football in Rayville (incidentally, linking it to "American football" instead of "football"--]--would be more helpful); it just says that he coached, which could refer to any sport (although I agree that football seems the most logical). For the sake of the DYK, could we just say "had been a coach" or "had been a sports coach" in the hook? GaryColemanFan (talk) 16:14, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Correction made Billy Hathorn (talk) 01:06, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

• Length, date, and sources for hook verified for original hook--I didn't check ALT1. Length of hook is very close to maximum (198 characters), so trimming the dates is an option if necessary (as is leaving it alone, of course), and I will reiterate that the wikilink should be to "American football" rather than just "Football". GaryColemanFan (talk) 06:01, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Serbuni

• ... that, according to Fieldhouse, militant agitations by the Indonesian communist trade union Serbuni during the 1963/1964 Konfrontasi actually sought to prevent nationalizations of Unilever factories?

Created by Soman (talk). Self nom at 00:08, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Claybrook Cottingham

• ... that a U.S. Route 167 expressway and two college dormitories are named for Louisiana educator Claybrook Cottingham?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 00:00, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

ALT1:... that a men's dormitory at Louisiana Tech University and a women's residence hall at Louisiana College are named for Claybrook Cottingham, who served as president of both institutions?

ALT2:... that Claybrook Cottingham, the president of two colleges in Louisiana, began his academic career as an assistant principal at an academy in Virginia when he was 19?

• The references don't actually state that the expressway or dormitory at Louisiana Tech were named after him. The source for ALT2 checks out, but the phrasing could be a bit more neutral; "already" and "only" seem a little POV. GaryColemanFan (talk) 21:35, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Correction made to Alt2 Billy Hathorn (talk) 01:36, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

• ALT2 is good to go (length, date, and source for hook verified). GaryColemanFan (talk) 06:07, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Bobby Walker (wrestler)

• ... that professional wrestler Bobby Walker sued World Championship Wrestling for making him look "obnoxious" and "shiftless"?

Created by GaryColemanFan (talk). Self nom at 20:49, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Good to go, length, timing and hook verified. Jaespinoza (talk) 21:13, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Charlie Loudenslager

• ... that after winning a minor league baseball batting title in 1903, Charlie Loudenslager joined a major league team but only appeared in one game?

5x expanded by PM800 (talk). Self nom at 05:45, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

• Length, date, and hook verified. Prioryman (talk) 15:57, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

The Scott Sisters

• ... that the Scott Sisters of Mississippi are serving life sentences for their alleged involvement in a robbery in which $11 was stolen and no one was injured, although they had no previous criminal records?

Created by CordeliaNaismith (talk). Self nom at 05:25, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

• Length, date, and sources for hook verified. Please note that the lack of injury was not covered in the source given but was discussed in another one of the article's sources. I added that source to the end of the relevant sentence in the article so that the full hook statement would be verified. GaryColemanFan (talk) 07:34, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Fred Mills (Louisiana politician)

• ... that Louisiana State Rep. Fred H. Mills, Jr., wrote legislation in 2010 to permit pharmacists, such as himself, to administer medication therapy management services?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 03:11, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Length, check. Date, check. Hook, check. Hook ref, check. Looks good to me. -- Kim van der Linde 00:18, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Zaprionus

• ... that all species of the fruit fly genus Zaprionus (Z. indianus pictured) have the same characteristic white stripes over the head and thorax?

Created by KimvdLinde (talk). Self nom at 02:28, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, but the article was not nominated timely. It was created on Dec. 4 and nominated on Dec. 19. Articles must be nominated with five days of creation/expansion. --MelanieN (talk) 20:08, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Humm, the article was created in my sandbox and moved to main space on December 18. So, it was created in mainspace on Dec 18. -- Kim van der Linde 20:11, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

DYK rules: "Articles that have been worked on exclusively in a user or user talk subpage and then moved (or in some cases pasted) to the article mainspace are considered new as of the date they reach the mainspace." So, this article is fine. -- Kim van der Linde 20:14, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

I apologize, I do see that in the history. I guess I don't know how to recognize when an article was in the Sandbox - because if you click on the older versions they just say Zaprionus as the title, without mention of them being in the sandbox. The article certainly passes all the other criteria. The length is fine, the length of the hook is fine, and although the verifying link only goes to an abstract which does not mention the stripes, I think we can Assume Good Faith that the information is there. Thank you and sorry for the false alarm. --MelanieN (talk) 20:26, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Thank you, problem solved. The article is open access, the link is to the abstract, but the article is accessible to everybody. -- Kim van der Linde 20:44, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Ed Householder

• ... that baseball player Ed Householder won his first batting title at the age of 37?

5x expanded by PM800 (talk). Self nom at 02:18, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

I'm uncertain about this one. The length of expansion and date of nomination are OK; the DYK fact is cited in the article; but the "batting title" referred to is a minor league one. He spent only two weeks in the major leagues, which makes him notable enough for an article by WP sports criteria, but I'm not sure that he should be given credit for a "batting title" when it was in the minor leagues - or possibly if the hook should be reworded to make that clear. Someone who is more knowledgeable about sports, please comment? --MelanieN (talk) 20:00, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

• I'm OK with rewording the hook:

ALT1: ... that Ed Householder won his first minor league baseball batting title at the age of 37? - PM800 (talk) 00:06, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

This looks fine to me. The original would also be OK if the posting administrator prefers it. --MelanieN (talk) 00:17, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Alexandra Zazzi

• ... that Alexandra Zazzi became the world's first female winner of the reality show Expedition Robinson, also known as Survivor, when she won the Swedish version in 1998?

Created by BabbaQ (talk) 00:43, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Article is only 806 characters longs, short of the 1500 required. -- Kim van der Linde 22:23, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Diddy Wah Diddy

• ... that Captain Beefheart and His Magic Band's first released single was a blues rock cover of Bo Diddley's "Diddy Wah Diddy"?

Created by Elitropia (talk). Self nom at 16:14, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 20

John and Sarah Makin

• ... that child murderers John and Sarah Makin were caught after bodies were discovered in a blocked drain?

Created by KimChee (talk), BabbaQ (talk). Self nom at 03:38, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Saukorem

• ... that the people of Saukorem produce Korwar figures, often made with the skulls of deceased family members?

5x expanded by Dr. Blofeld (talk). Self nom at 13:36, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Sam Caldwell

• ... that in 1944, Sam Caldwell, as the mayor of Shreveport, ran against Jimmie Davis for governor of Louisiana even though both had served in the same municipal administration?

ALT:... Sam Caldwell, as the mayor of Shreveport, Louisiana, stocked fish into Cross Lake, the municipal water supply?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 04:48, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Frederick Jelinek, Milena Jelinek

• ... that the help of Cyrus Eaton, Jerome Wiesner and Nikita Kruschev was needed so that Frederick and Milena Jelinek could marry?

• Comment: Frederick is my work (5x expansion, hopefully). Milena is a new article by Vejvančický. Circéus (talk) 01:01, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

5x expanded by Circeus (talk), Vejvančický (talk). Self nom at 01:01, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Helixanthera schizocalyx

• ... that the hairless half-meter parasite Helixanthera schizocalyx was discovered by lepidopterist Colin Congdon on the lookout for mistletoe near the summit of Mozambique's Mount Mabu?

Created by Medeis (talk), JuneGloom07 (talk). Self nom at 00:51, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

 Note: Currently under nomination at Misplaced Pages:In the news/Candidates#New species of Mistletoe The Resident Anthropologist (talk) 04:37, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

That nomination was made by an editor who mentioned the discovery from a press release but took no action toward creating an article. I created this article and am entitled to nominate it for DYK.μηδείς (talk) 06:19, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

In any case, it seems highly unlikely the ITN nom will succeed. Circéus (talk) 01:19, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Jotdog

• ... that the name for the Mexican band Jotdog was inspired by the pop art work of Andy Warhol?

Created by Jaespinoza (talk) 21:43, 20 December 2010 (UTC). Self nom at 21:41, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

All Saints Church, Roffey

• ... that feathers from a dead swan, which crashed into scaffolding at All Saints Church (pictured) in Roffey during construction, were incorporated into the church's antependium?

Created by Hassocks5489 (talk). Self nom at 21:37, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

• Unusual but likable hook, assuming good faith with offline book. Rob (talk) 23:04, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Blauberge

• ... that the crest of the Blauberge (pictured), a mountain range in the Bavarian Alps, forms part of the border between Austria and Germany?

Created by Bermicourt (talk). Self nom at 20:32, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Onno Boelee

• ... that former New Zealand wrestler Onno Boelee worked as an actor and later opened a private security company after his retirement from wrestling?

Created by 72.74.210.99 (talk). Nominated by Fetchcomms (talk) at 17:47, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Aero-Craft Aero-Coupe

• ... that passengers on the Aero-Craft Aero-Coupe sat in a closed cabin while the pilot sat in an open cockpit?

Created by Brambleclawx (talk). Self nom at 17:26, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Joe Marshall

• ... that Joe Marshall, also known as "Home Run Joe", did not hit any home runs in his Major League Baseball career?

Created by PM800 (talk). Self nom at 17:25, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

• Verified. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 05:02, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Bentworth

• ... that Bentworth, a village in Hampshire, had its manor used as a "hiding place" for the Kings of Wessex in the 11th century?

5x expanded by Jaguar (talk). Self nom at 16:20, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

• I like the hook (although I've modified it just to say "Bentworth, a village..."). However, I think the fact that's mentioned here probably needs an inline citation straight after the paragraph so that it can be verified. Rob (talk) 23:08, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
• Actually, this article doesn't appear to have been expanded 5x in the last five days, as the last edit was 2nd December. Rob (talk) 08:24, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Internet and Technology Law Desk Reference

• ... that the Internet and Technology Law Desk Reference defines information technology law jargon using legal opinion from case law?

Created by Cirt (talk). Self nom at 12:30, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Note: I reviewed entry Louis Diat under 13 December 2010. -- Cirt (talk) 12:40, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Jim Cockman

• ... that Jim Cockman is the oldest player to ever make his Major League Baseball debut with the New York Yankees?

5x expanded by PM800 (talk). Self nom at 06:05, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

• Date, 8x expansion, length, hook ref verified. I sense a pattern of topical interest by this editor. KimChee (talk) 08:42, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Superhard materials

• ... ... that diamond (example pictured) is superhard but not supertough?

5x expanded by JBean65 and rewritten by Materialscientist. Self nom on 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Search for "toughness" in superhard materials. Superhard is obvious. This gives values for diamond's toughness (it slightly varies depending on the stone), and these are typical values for other materials. Materialscientist (talk) 12:35, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Wildlife of Malaysia

• ... that the wildlife of Malaysia is some of the most diverse in the world, existing in forests (pictured) believed to be 130 million years old?

5x expanded by Chipmunkdavis (talk). Self nom at 13:48, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

• I'm a bit concerned that the main sources are travel guides, do we consider them RSs for such an article? SmartSE (talk) 20:09, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

This is not a problem as they are published books.Thelmadatter (talk) 01:49, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

David L. Shirk Ranch

• ... that David Shirk, owner of the historic David L. Shirk Ranch (pictured) in southeastern Oregon, killed an employee of cattle baron Peter French in a dispute over a land claim?

• Comment: See last paragraph on p. 58 for hook source.

Created by Orygun (talk). Self nom at 02:18, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Len Koenecke

• ... that Major League Baseballer and former fireman Len Koenecke was beaten to death with a fire extinguisher?

5x expanded by Hack (talk). Self nom at 07:46, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Ian Dougald McLachlan

• ... that Air Vice Marshal Ian McLachlan's (pictured) concerns regarding cost and delivery of the F-111 to the RAAF proved "painfully prescient" as the new bomber came 6 years late and way over budget?

5x expanded by Ian Rose (talk). Self nom at 23:11, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

• Date and length verified. The hook comes in ever so slightly (one character) over 200, but I assume it will find a way to lose that extra character on the way to the main page. Intelligentsium 21:26, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Tks mate -- Word tells me exactly 200, so hopefully it can go as is 'cos I think it's about as compact as possible... ;-) Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 00:12, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

'Way' could be dropped from 'way over budget' as it's redundant (particularly as it's also non-specific). Nick-D (talk) 11:01, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Tks Nick. Actually I wasn't too happy with "way" myself because it's informal but I wanted something stronger than simply "over budget" that would also fit the hook length limit -- however I have no serious objection to losing it... ;-) Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 11:13, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 21

Poole Lifeboat Station

• ... that a signal mortar used to be fired to summon the lifeboat crew to Poole Lifeboat Station but this was stopped in 1914 as people could mistake the sound for an explosion at the nearby gas works?

Created by Geof Sheppard (talk). Self nom at 13:53, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Lewis Strong Clarke

• ... that Lewis Strong Clarke established his innovative sugar plantation Lagonda in St. Mary Parish, Louisiana, and named it for a creek in Ohio?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 05:20, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Arthur Bluethenthal

ribbon with medal beneath it

• ... that the Wilmington, NC airport was named for Arthur Bluethenthal, a Princeton football All-American who was awarded the Croix de Guerre (pictured) twice, and died in combat for France in World War I?

Created by Epeefleche (talk). Self nom at 02:17, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Palace of Cortes, Cuernavaca

• ... that the Palace of Cortes in Cuernavaca, Mexico is the oldest conserved civil building in the continetal Americas, over 450 years old ?

Created by Thelmadatter (talk). Self nom at 01:44, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

• Pretty cool, but isn't this the same as Palacio de Cortés? And any particular reason for the "Cuernavaca" disambiguation in the title? Are there other palaces of Cortes? Also, I can't see where in the body the hook is mentioned or cited, I can only find it in the lead, where there is no footnote. — Toдor Boжinov — 15:34, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Walter L. Cohen

• ... that the African American Republican Walter L. Cohen of New Orleans held the post of comptroller of customs under both Presidents Harding and Coolidge?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 21:32, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Larry Detwiler

• ... that after film work as a miniature effects and visual effects supervisor, Larry Detwiler progressed to serve as television director on the program CSI: Miami?

Created by Cirt (talk). Self nom at 20:22, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Note: I reviewed entry O. E. Price under 12 December. -- Cirt (talk) 20:28, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Spruce Production Division

• ... that the Spruce Production Division produced more than 54 million board feet of spruce in Oregon for aircraft in World War I?

Created by Esprqii (talk · contribs), Tedder (talk · contribs), Orygun (talk · contribs), Valfontis (talk · contribs), Jsayre64 (talk · contribs), Another Believer (talk · contribs). Nominated by Jsayre64 (talk) at 18:55, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

• Note this was moved to mainspace on 21 December 2010. The huge number of creators is because it was a special anniversary collaboration. tedder (talk) 19:06, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
• ALT1: ... that during World War I the United States Army recruited over 28,000 soldiers for the Spruce Production Division and used them to harvest Sitka spruce in the Pacific Northwest? --Esprqii (talk) 19:30, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Anthony Athanas

• ... that Anthony Athanas was the founder of Anthony's Pier 4, which by the early 1980s was grossing about $12 million annually?

Created by ZjarriRrethues (talk). Self nom at 19:30, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

• I think the hook would be better if it included the $12 million figure instead of just saying "most successful." Also, the article says that it was the highest-grossing restaurant in the country, but according to the reference it was only the fifth highest. - PM800 (talk) 11:06, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

The Boston Globe reference says it became the fifth highest grossing in 1984, while the Forbes one says it became the highest grossing in the 1980s.--— ZjarriRrethues —  11:27, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, generally that kind of subjective hooks ("most successful") are to be avoided in my opinion. Not only are they not interesting, but they're also difficult to comprehend. I think we can make the hook even more interesting, though, here's a suggestion: — Toдor Boжinov — 13:01, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1: ... that Albanian American Anthony Athanas, who rode a donkey en route to the United States, became a multi-millionaire restauranteur in Massachusetts?

Schnarcherklippen

• ... that the Schnarcherklippen rocks (pictured) in the High Harz in Germany deflect compass needles from magnetic north due to the presence of magnetite in the rock?

Created by Bermicourt (talk). Self nom at 19:02, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

George Caldwell (Louisiana)

• ... that the contractor George A. Caldwell supervised the construction of nine buildings on the campus of Louisiana State University in Baton Rouge? status=new

Created/expanded by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 18:31, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Blood Qur'an

• ... that Saddam Hussein commissioned the production of a "Blood Qur'an" (cover of another Qur'an pictured) made using 27 litres of his own blood?

Created by Prioryman (talk) 16:49, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

• A few comments:

Length and creation date of the article are ok.

Notes 3 and 6 (Arabic News) don't work for me; please check.

The sources disagree on whether it was written in 24 or 27 l of blood; please work that into the article.

Given the sensitive nature of this hook, I suggest removing the image, but if others think it should stay I am not going to debate that.

The article contains a lot of quotes. Could someone more experienced have a look at whether that is acceptable?

Current hook wording is little bit awkward; suggest something like:

ALT1 ... that Saddam Hussein had the Blood Qur'an written in his own blood?

ALT2 ... that Saddam Hussein had the Blood Qur'an written in over 20 litres of his own blood?

ALT3 ... that the Blood Qur'an, stored in the Umm al-Ma'arik mosque (pictured), was written in over 20 litres of Saddam Hussein's blood? -- Zoeperkoe (talk) 17:23, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

The Arabic News website seems to have gone down - most annoying. I can only suggest retrying it at a later stage and assuming good faith for the citations in the meantime. I've changed the amount of blood to reflect the disagreement among the sources. I've eliminated some of the quotations by working them into the text, though I've kept them where they represent statements of personal opinion. Thanks for the reworded hook suggestions - I prefer the latter, but let's use the English translation of the mosque's name; also, it's not clear whether the Qur'an is actually in the mosque any more:

ALT4: ... that the Blood Qur'an, formerly displayed in the Mother Of All Battles mosque in Baghdad (pictured), was written in over 20 litres of Saddam Hussein's blood? Prioryman (talk) 20:20, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Good to go now as the most of the article is still covered by the online refs. Although have a look at these offline refs; if they stay offline, you might have to remove them (although I got the idea that most of the info is also covered by the other sources). Strike through old hooks. Nice work! -- Zoeperkoe (talk) 22:22, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

The Moon Represents My Heart

• ... that Teresa Teng's "The Moon Represents My Heart", which became popular in the 1970s, is considered one of the best-known Chinese pop songs of all time?

Created by PM800 (talk). Self nom at 09:22, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

• Article length, history, and sourcing are all good. The hook fact, though, comes across as a little weasely, even though it's true. Here's another possibility:

• ALT1: ... that Teresa Teng's "The Moon Represents My Heart" was one of the first love songs to become popular in mainland China after the Cultural Revolution?

• (you'll have to double-check the sources to make sure that wording is still accurate...anyway, I think think it might be a little more hook-y and less weasel-y) rʨanaɢ (talk) 12:48, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Königstein (Westerhausen)

• ... that the crest of the Königstein ridge near Westerhausen (pictured) is dominated by the striking Kamelfelsen rocks whose shape is supposed to resemble two camels lying down?

Created by Bermicourt (talk). Self nom at 08:46, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Jotdog (album)

• ... that Mexican band Jotdog included a cover version of a song previously recorded by Cyndi Lauper on their debut album?

Created by Jaespinoza (talk) 06:51, 21 December 2010 (UTC). Self nom at 06:51, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Benedict Spinola

• ... that four centuries after being aggrieved by Benedict Spinola in a property deal, Magdalene College, Cambridge, avenged itself by erecting a gargoyle of him (pictured)?

Created by Moonraker2 (talk). Self nom at 04:06, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

• Couldn't resist this one! Length, age, and online ref check out fine -- took the liberty of tweaking article and hook ever so slightly to better agree. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 09:26, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Mount Sunapee Resort

• ... that the Mount Sunapee Resort was built in response to the success of a tram at Cannon Mountain?

Created by C628 (talk). Self nom at 22:34, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

• Reviewed Christopher Columbus Nash. C628 (talk) 22:48, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

1st Provisional Marine Brigade

• ... that during its operational history, the 1st Provisional Marine Brigade has ranged in size from 1,200 men to almost 10,000?

5x expanded by Ed! (talk). Self nom at 05:54, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Pheidole megacephala

• … that the bigheaded ant, Pheidole megacephala, protects the source of its food supply, green scale insects, by removing predatory larvae that might eat them?

5x expanded by Cwnhiraeth (talk). Self nomination at 12:15, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

• Article was a redirect, so length and 5X expansion OK; online cite checks out. I bolded article title in hook. Andrew Jameson (talk) 14:22, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Ref 6 is to " Scheffrahn, unpublished observations." can you make clear where you got this info from? SmartSE (talk) 16:36, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 22

SMS Kaiserin

• ... that the German dreadnought battleship SMS Kaiserin was the first battleship to pass through the Kaiser Wilhelm Canal in July 1914, days before the outbreak of World War I?

5x expanded by Parsecboy (talk). Self nom at 16:07, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Hexacyclinol

The skeletal structure of hexacyclinol

• ... that controversy over the structure of hexacyclinol (skeletal structure pictured) led to allegations of data fabrication?

• ALT1:... that Nobel Prize-winning chemist E.J. Corey called a purported total synthesis of hexacyclinol (skeletal structure pictured) "blatanly wrong science"?

Created by Shoy (talk). Self nom at 14:57, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

• Question: the article says that La Clair claimed structures (1) and (2) are isomers, but they aren't... unless I am mis-counting, structure (1) contains 6 oxygen atoms whereas structure (2) contains 7 oxygen atoms. Is there something wrong with one of the two stuctures, or was La Clair in error, or am I? EdChem (talk) 15:19, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

  Follow up - I am near-certain that structure (1) is wrong, it seems to be missing a —C(CH₃)₂–OCH₃ substituent alpha to the alkene on the cyclohexene ring. I suggest a careful check to ensure (1) and (2) are accurate and are structural isomers. EdChem (talk) 16:05, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Minong Mine Historic District

• ... that in 1874, a 5720 pound copper nugget (pictured) whose surface had been worked by prehistoric miners was discovered at the Minong Mine?

Created by Andrew Jameson (talk). Self nom at 13:51, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

• Citations in Gillman, page 330 and Winchell, page 602
• Per January rules, I reviewed Pheidole megacephala above. Andrew Jameson (talk) 14:23, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Seeing Red (Dexter)

• ... that Dexter executive producer Daniel Cerone encouraged the mother of his son's friend not to let her son audition for a role in the episode "Seeing Red" because the show's subject matter was too dark?

• ALT1:... that Dexter executive producer Daniel Cerone encouraged the mother of his son's friend not to let her son audition for a role in the episode "Seeing Red" because the boy would be filmed sitting in a pool of blood?

Created by 97198 (talk). Self nom at 06:36, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

George Edmundson

• ... that the Church of England clergyman George Edmundson represented the British Government in a Boundary Arbitration between British Guiana and Venezuela?

Created by Moonraker2 (talk). Self nom at 03:25, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

• The hook states that Edmundsom represented the British Government in the 2 disputes mentioned, which tends to imply that he was the arbitrator. While this may be the case, the reference is less explicit, stating only that he was employed in the disputes (employed by Government in British Guiana-Venezuelan Boundary Arbitration, 1896–99; also in British Guiana-Brazilian Boundary Arbitration, 1901–04). Is there another source that clarifies his role? To comply with the rules the citation should also be directly after the fact, not in the following sentence. Ivolocy (talk) 11:39, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Special occasion holding area

Do not nominate new articles for a special time in this section. Instead, please nominate them in the candidate entries section above under the date the article was created or the expansion began, and indicate your request for a specially-timed appearance on the Main Page.

Note: Articles nominated for a special occasion should be nominated within five days of creation or expansion as usual (with the exception of April Fools' Day 2011 - see Misplaced Pages:April Fool's Main Page/Did You Know). Also, articles should be nominated at least five days before the occasion to give reviewers time to check the nomination.

December 24, 2010

Andrew McKinley, David Aiken (baritone), Leon Lishner

• ... that Andrew McKinley, David Aiken, and Leon Lishner created the parts of the Three Kings in the world premiere of Menotti's Christmas opera Amahl and the Night Visitors which was broadcast live by NBC to an audience of millions on Christmas Eve 1951?

Created by 4meter4 (talk). Self nom at 01:23, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

• My plan is to make this a tripple nom with Aiken and Lishner. If reviewers could please hold off until those articles are also created, I would appriciate it. Also I would like this to be up at 7:00 PM New York City Time on Christmas Eve if possible, which is the place and time the original production was performed at its premiere.4meter4 (talk) 01:36, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

• These are ready for review.4meter4 (talk) 15:45, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

The Three checked for date, length, refs. Offline ref AGF for two of them. A welcome arrival of illustrious persons! (A bit early however, wasn't 6 January their day? But we are talking TV for millions.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:56, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

December 25, 2010

St Mary's Church, Moulton

• ... that the redundant round-towered St Mary's Church, Moulton, in Norfolk (pictured) contains 14th-century wall paintings depicting Saint Christopher, and the Seven Acts of Mercy?

Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 14:48, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

• How about this church for Christmas Day, December 25? And it has a nice frosty picture.--Peter I. Vardy (talk) 14:48, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

agreed, for 25 December, all looks good to me, including the pic. I miss the "ten commandments, charmingly illustrated" mentioned in ref 2. I leave the nom here for now, for others to look and comment, because I am new to reviewing. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:11, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

A Child's Christmas in Wales

• ... that Dylan Thomas' short prose A Child's Christmas in Wales was first published under its own title two years after his death?

Created by FruitMonkey (talk). Self nom at 21:49, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

• Comment - This is a DYK that may be best served for Christmas day. FruitMonkey (talk) 10:11, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
  • Everything checks out. Moved to Christmas holding area. Miyagawa (talk) 16:58, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

A Christmas Record

• ... that A Christmas Record released on the ZE label has been described as the first-ever alternative Christmas album and contains both a hit single and a "blasphemous, nearly tuneless piece of skronk"?

Created by Ghmyrtle (talk). Self nom at 16:05, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

• Date, length, hook, and refs look great. Nice article! 4meter4 (talk) 16:17, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. I've just inserted another wikilink in the hook. Hope that's OK - if not, take it out again. Ghmyrtle (talk) 08:15, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Gelobet seist du, Jesu Christ, BWV 91, Gelobet seist du, Jesu Christ

• ... that the first cantata Bach composed for Christmas Day in Leipzig was in 1724 the chorale cantata Gelobet seist du, Jesu Christ, BWV 91, based on Martin Luther's hymn for Christmas Gelobet seist du, Jesu Christ (pictured)?

• Comment: suggested for Christmas Day, smile, cantata nominated originally 12 December, chorale added

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self nom at 13:04, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

• Confirmed both. Skäpperöd (talk) 02:35, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Daley Plaza Christmas tree

• ... that the official Chicago Christmas tree was constructed from multiple individual trees until 2009?

Created by IvoShandor (talk). Self nom at 08:25, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

• Everything checks out. Might be better written as "... that Chicago's official Christmas tree..." though. DC T•C 07:37, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Wannalancit Mills

• ... that the Wannalancit Mill Complex is normally the site of a 256 foot tall Christmas tree for the past ten years, but was without it this year because of the cost of lighting over 5,000 bulbs?

Created by Ktr101 (talk). Self nom at 03:59, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

• While this article is technically over the 1,500 character mark, to me it seems under developed. Some basic information such as who built/established the Mill (i.e. who established the Suffolk Textile Company), the architect/engineer who designed the mill, basic details on the buildings, and what entity purchased the mill in 1926 (who exactly was opperating the mill from 1926 to 1950?) is missing. This is information that is pretty basic/essential to an article on this topic. Given that these are historic buildings, I would imagine that this information wouldn't require too much digging to find. In all other respects this article is good to go. Another editor may disagree and choose to approve the article given that it technically meets all DYK requirements.4meter4 (talk) 17:07, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

• A year ago I was living in the shadow of the mill so a quick walk to the university library would've been easier to find this out. I know someone who might be able to provide this information as they live there (they also are one of the sources incidentally) but otherwise I feel as though I have pulled all the information that is possible off the internet. I could dig up a map of the buildings but the copyright would be a bit iffy. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 03:50, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Unto Us is Born a Son

• ... that although first published in the 1582 songbook Piae Cantiones (pictured), the Christmas carol Unto Us is Born a Son may be derived from 12th and 13th century French organum repertories?

New article by Rob (talk) 22:43, 25 November 2010 (UTC) . It would be quite nice to see this up sometime on or after the 28th November (1st day of Advent), although any time in the Christmas period would be good.

• A very nice well-referenced article with an offline citation accepted IGF. Just a little point; we need a reference to the image, something like (x pictured) — then it's fine. And, why not nominate it for Christmas Day itself (no nominations yet, and more appropriate than in Advent)?--Peter I. Vardy (talk) 18:06, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! I've added the little description. It would be quite nice to see it on Christmas day I suppose, although I assumed that because it's already written it wouldn't pass the "new article" criteria. (I thought it was more useful to post the article before Christmas than wait until nearer the day in case somebody looks it up for a carol service!) Is there a holding area for Christmas day I could add it to? Rob (talk) 23:26, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

• That's fine now. Suggest moving it into the Special occasion holding area under a heading "December 25 (Christmas Day)" or something like that.--Peter I. Vardy (talk) 09:58, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

• Thanks, placed in holding area. Rob (talk) 10:58, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Late December 2010

Cincinnati Riot of 1853

• … that the Cincinnati Riot of 1853 involved Germans objecting to the presence of an Italian preaching in French in the United States on Christmas Day?

  This one is entirely Aymatth2's fault, as well. Uncle G (talk) 14:00, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
• ALT:... that the Cincinnati Riot of 1853 involved Germans objecting to the presence of an Italian preaching in French in the United States on Christmas Day? {Let's save this hook for use on X'mas.} --174.89.163.171 (talk) 05:18, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

• I love the hook (and the ALT links are unnecessary, IMO) however I am somewhat concerned about how deep in and minor the mention of the preeching in French was. That being said, I wouldn't change the hook, I love it. Sven Manguard Wha? 07:33, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

January 1, 2011

Circumcision of Jesus

• ... that the Gospel of Luke states that the Circumcision of Jesus (pictured) took place eight days after his birth?

• Comment: I have a special date request for this one. The Feast of the Circumcision of Christ is January 1, and this would be especially appropriate for that day. In lieu of that, December 25 would be appropriate. Raul654 (talk) 22:18, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Created by Raul654 (talk) and User:Johnbod. Self nom at 22:18, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

• Image fine, refs look good, removed stub assessment, but not sure you are allowed an external in line ref in the text? Although I agree it looks neat here. Tick when resolved Victuallers (talk) 23:16, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

• If you're talking about the {{Bibleverse-nb}} template, that's the correct way to cite a Bible verse on Misplaced Pages. – iridescent 23:19, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

I was, so Victuallers (talk) 09:12, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

I've added myself to the nom, as I wrote most of it. Johnbod (talk) 14:06, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

I corrected the artist in the caption here and in the article, the painting illustrated is by Friedrich Herlin, not Fritz Herlen. Moonraker2 (talk) 20:03, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! Johnbod (talk) 23:58, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

(For January 1, 2011), Seal of the Federal Bureau of Investigation

• ALT1 ... that the Seal of the Federal Bureau of Investigation represents the courage, valour, strength, cleanliness, truth, high moral standards and high level of motivation expected of FBI agents?

• ALT2 ... that the Seal of the Federal Bureau of Investigation was first used on January 1, 1941 and represents the values, standards and history of the FBI and its agents?

Expanded and self-nominated by ChrisO (talk) 20:50, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
This nomination is a bit of a special case. I originally nominated Seal of the Federal Bureau of Investigation on August 3 following a 5x expansion (see discussion above under #Articles created/expanded on August 3). Everyone accepted that it met the DYK criteria but the nomination was derailed by a political dispute over timing. I've put forward a compromise at User talk:Jimbo Wales#Compromise proposal, which involves passing this DYK now but scheduling its appearance on January 1, 2011, which is 60 years to the day since the seal was first used. This proposal has been generally welcomed so I'm putting it forward here for formal consideration. I'm aware that the timeframe is somewhat longer than would be usual for scheduled DYKs, but in the circumstances I think a some flexibility would be justified. I've put forward two possible hooks: the original one as proposed earlier, and a new alternative tying the DYK in more directly with the date. -- ChrisO (talk) 20:50, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

• Interesting compromise. It completely flipped my opinion of the matter. However, prior to providing said opinion, I'd like some clarification: Are we nominating this (with whichever hook) sans image as you initially suggested on Jimbo's talk page?
  --K10wnsta (talk) 00:39, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
• Appended: I see that you removed the image from inclusion in the original nomination, so I'll assume this post-dated nomination would not include the image either. However, this necessitates further clarification:

Are we excluding the image from this DYK solely because of the recent interaction with the FBI?
--K10wnsta (talk) 01:05, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

In effect yes, but in my view it's a necessary evil if we're to reach a satisfactory compromise on this issue. -- ChrisO (talk) 01:16, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

• - Tentative Even if the motivation behind qualifying this article for DYK was questionable, I think you already achieved not just a satisfactory compromise, but a completely valid and justifiable use for it. In fact, it's use is so valid, refusing to use the image for no other reason than the recent hoobajoo with the FBI is blatantly (chilled) censorship...and I just can't get behind that. If we're going to censor it, we need to go whole hog or don't go at all.
  Could we put it up for 'On This Day' to avoid reasoning for exclusion of the image?
  --K10wnsta (talk) 01:51, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
• No opinion on whether to feature on the future date; however, it would be better if this hook didn't remain on the suggestions page for the intervening months, as it is bound to attract further discussion and the page is unwieldy enough as it is. Espresso Addict (talk) 01:55, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Espresso's suggestion may be useful for more than just making this page leaner. A delay in nomination would lend to better perspective for those establishing consensus. In other words, removing it from discussion for a couple months would also put some time between recent events and the article (and hopefully image) being contemplated for a main page feature (unless such a delay would disqualify it from use in DYK section).
--K10wnsta (talk) 02:12, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Comment This hook should not "disappear" for a few months. It is far better to leave it here to enable a wide input from editors on the issue. I think this is a good compromise that involves common sense, the proposal and special treatment of the timescale fitting nicely under WP:IAR. Mjroots (talk) 13:53, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

• Support ALT2 for use on 1 January, 2011. EdChem (talk) 10:32, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

• Suggest scrapping this troublesome controversial DYK, the user that instigated the issue has also since retired, suggest retiring this idea as well. Off2riorob (talk) 13:17, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

• Would you please stop with your blatant pushing of the issue? Putting this off until January removes all controversy related to it. Silverseren 13:44, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

• Your comment is just a simple personal attack, I have bigger fish to relentlessly pursue than this worthless disruptive DYK. Off2riorob (talk) 14:11, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

• Nothing of what I said was or is a personal attack. I know you greatly dislike ChrisO and myself, but could you please not try and push an already outdated issue? Silverseren 14:42, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

• I support ALT2 for the 1 January date. The anniversary makes this a very good choice for that day. -- L'ecrivant (talk) 22:55, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

I do not support 1 January 2011. The DYK section is for new articles. There are exceptions like April Fools and Halloween; I do not see the point of making every day of the year a possible exception. Geschichte (talk) 20:28, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

• Oppose Anniversary or not, a four-month wait at DYK is an overkill. The point of DYK is to present new or newly expanded articles, not to present "on this day". By then this article will be more than four months old. If this line of though is going to be followed, DYK is going to end up in a mess. The length of this entry is plain evidence for why keeping things around for almost five months is not a good idea. Arsenikk 13:55, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

• per IAR. I would count this as a valid use of IAR. This could have gone up for today. The only reason it isn't going up is for political reasons. I disagree with Jimbo and others on that matter and think we should run it now, but there is no need to reject it entirely on that basis. NW (Talk) 03:03, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
• Support as this would have been promoted in the usual time window if not for the decision to shelve it until the political heat was off. To kill it now because a delay was agreed to would be an egregious abuse of trust. - Dravecky (talk) 09:24, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

• Oppose per Arsenikk. The Utahraptor/_{Contributions} 22:49, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
• Support per NuclearWarfare and Dravecky—Chris!_c/t 20:05, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
• Support, per Chrishomingtang (talk · contribs). -- Cirt (talk) 06:13, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
• Support - This was initially nominated in a timely manner, with an image of the seal, but due to political considerations (public dispute between Wikimedia Foundation and the FBI over the use of the image of the seal) it was agreed that the image should not be used on the main page, and that the hook should be held and run at a later date, when the dispute was not so much in the news. The 60th anniversary of the first use of the seal makes a perfect tie-in, and while it is longer than DYK hooks are normally held for special occassions, Dravecky is correct that it would be egregious to reject it now on the basis of timing. cmadler (talk) 19:07, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
• Support - cmadler really sums up the issue for me. The circumstances of the original nomination and the fact of the 60th anniversary are significant enough that we ought to make an exception to the requirement that DYK items be from recently-created articles. -- Black Falcon 19:32, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
• Support I agree with NW, but don't think we need to IAR, considering that hooks are regularly kept back for months for the April fools and Halloween main pages. I don't think we should treat this any differently. Smartse (talk) 10:28, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
• Support - The Bushranger _{Return fire} 17:12, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
• Conditional support if, and only if, the squabble with the feds is over. ScottyBerg (talk) 17:14, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
• Oppose I'm worried that this is too obviously a matter of giving the FBI the proverbial finger than promoting something encyclopedic. I'm all for criticizing the FBI, but we shouldn't invoke exceptions to basic guidelines just to promote our own POV. It seems far more prudent to pull up your sleeves and make this a quickie FA or get it on "On this day". Peter 10:43, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
• Weak oppose. ALT2 is a better hook than ALT1, but it would be better still on OTD than DYK (it would get more readers that way, as well). Physchim62 (talk) 17:29, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
• Oppose - ALT1 is just a boost or peacock term on FBI. ALT2 is better, but I did not feel it to be so special to be included in DYK. -- Rajith Mohan 06:08, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
• Oppose per Arsenikk. Send to OTD instead. Adabow (talk · contribs) 09:59, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
• Support For the reasons stated above.Thelmadatter (talk) 23:56, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
• Support For the reasons that mentioned above.--NovaSkola (talk) 08:12, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
• Support but please add a picture. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 18:09, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
• Oppose While I feel that the nominator is being hard done by, OTD would seem to be a better home for this then DYK, considering all the issues. Schwede66 03:47, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
• Support The hook was valid and interesting when first proposed, and delaying it was a political compromise. If the DYK is now denied due to the delay, this will interfere with the ability to negotiate any such compromise in the future. Wnt (talk) 13:43, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
• Support with seal pictured WP:NOTCENSORED no exceptions. P. S. Burton (talk) 20:57, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

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