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Articles created/expanded on June 17

Fort Teremba

• ... that the Fort Teremba (pictured) in New Caledonia, was originally built as a military fort and a prison by convict labour, in 1871, at the request of the then Governor Gaultier Richerie?

Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk), Nvvchar (talk). Self nom at 06:40, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

• Comment: Sorry for the delay of a few hours in posting this article.--Nvvchar. 06:44, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed Aspen Community Church.--Nvvchar. 06:53, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

The article is based on travel guides. Please use more reliable sources for your articles/hooks. I do not mean to sound harsh, but this is a longstanding issue which must be fixed sooner or later. Materialscientist (talk) 06:25, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

No it isn't based on solely on travel guides, I see a range of sources. As for "using more reliable sources" I've addressed your issue with travel guides as non RS at here. I've just looked for further sources and found very few books other then French publications, a language I am far from fluent in. If I have a google translate assistance and using my dictionary I can proof read usually but you can't google translate google books.. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:39, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

It's clear to me from that RS discussion that travel guides are not reliable sources when it comes to history; however, this article cites a number of historical facts to Lonely Planet. The article also contains a bunch of facts cited to Colonial Voyage, which is self-published and so can't be taken as reliable. The South Pacific Handbook also appears to be self-published (written by David Stanley, published by David Stanley), and so can't be taken as reliable. fort-terema.com is not independant, but it's probably reliable enough for the single statement it's used to cite. CHAM also might not be a reliable source. The French book, Un tour du monde..., also might not be reliable; it seems to be some sort of memoir, not a history book. The New Zealand Archaeological Association, The New Caledonia Weekly, and The romance of the South Seas appear to me to probably be reliable as used. cmadler (talk) 17:24, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Unless you can prove to me multiple examples of where a source such as Lonely Planet has been false in regards to history then it will continue to be used as a source. Unless the source is replaceable which in this case it doesn't appear to be I am not going to drop valuable sources at a whim. I agree its not ideal to rely on travel guides for historical information but in this case most sources are in French and we do not understand them fluently without assistance. We use what sources are available and I believe all sources meet RS requirements. Questioning all of these sources is ridiculous as any source could be questioned for reliability. If you think a site like Colonial Voyage would exist just to relay a load of untruths and babble then you are mistaken.♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:34, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Image: what is that circular light bit in the middle. Second one on WP I've seen today. Not good. Tony (talk) 15:01, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Not sure what problem Tony sees with the image; at the 100x100 size it looks to me like two rectangular buildings, behind a wall in the foreground, in a scrubby, hilly landscape. No circular bits at all, light or dark. As for the sources, I stand by my comment, and it appears that I'm not alone, since MatSci also objected. Looking at the RS noticeboard discussion initiated by Dr. Blofeld, there are 5 commentors. Three of them (Hans Adler, TFD, and Zero) explicitly say that travel guides should not be considered reliable sources for historical statements. Wehwalt says, "Today's travel guides, yes, I would not use them for much" -- and these are modern travel guides that you're citing. Only one commentor, Kmhkmh, suggested that this might be acceptable, saying A good travel guide will probably also provide correct information on the history and politics of some place (on rather general level), but there are always better sources available that should be used in a long run. Altogether, there seems to me to be agreement that these do not meet Misplaced Pages's requirements for reliable sources. The guideline says that Self-published material may be acceptable when produced by an established expert on the topic of the article whose work in the relevant field has previously been published by reliable third-party publications. Can you provide any evidence that the author/publishers of the self-published works meet that criterion? Otherwise, while there's no reason not to believe them, they don't meet Misplaced Pages's threshhold for a reliable source. cmadler (talk) 17:15, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Douglas DC-7B N836D

• ... that a DC-7B that flew as an airliner for Eastern Air Lines from 1958 to 1965 has been restored and flies today carrying sightseeing passengers in Florida?

Created by Alexf (talk). Self nom at 09:32, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

• Date, length and reference verified, all checks out. Good to go. Calistemon (talk) 11:13, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

• Units check. There are many non-metric units that need conversions and format adjustments. Lightmouse (talk) 10:44, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

•  Done. -- Alexf 14:19, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Although the conversion template was used extensively, an editor later removed the whole section as it is argued that technical specs belong with the aircraft type, not on individual aircraft, which makes this issue a moot point -- Alexf 19:50, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I agree. Confining the specs to the aircraft type is better. Thanks. Lightmouse (talk) 09:01, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Whoa! This article is sourced to the organization's own website, a blank page on another site, and a single article in a magazine listed as two separate sources by listing online and offline versions. With only a single reliable third-party source, notability is a real question here. - Dravecky (talk) 08:46, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Empty page has been removed from the article. Notability of the subject is not a concern. As the only restored and flying passenger-carrying DC-7 in the world, it is notable. If it is notable and interesting enough for a hook at DYK, I don't know and you guys will have to decide. -- Alexf 19:06, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

• No, I mean that this article is sourced to a single article from a reliable third-party source and the official site of the Historical Flight Foundation (which is hosted at Google Sites). I think the fact that it's the last DC-7B in passenger service is awesome but the article may not meet the general notability guidelines. Also, several of the paragraphs are completely unsourced, a violation of DYK rules. I hope you can find another reliable source and fix this article so it can be promoted, but for now it's not ready. - Dravecky (talk) 10:11, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 18

A. K. Chettiar

• ... that Tamil writer A. K. Chettiar published his first magazine at the age of 20?

Created by Sodabottle (talk). Nominated by OCNative (talk) at 12:05, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

• Length and date check out fine. However, there is no in-line citation immediately after the hook fact. Also, it's unclear whether the hook fact is supposed to be supported by the reference cited at note 1 or note 2. The encyclopedia cited at note 1 does not support the fact, and the source cited at note 2 is off-line. Please clarify. Cbl62 (talk) 07:36, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

• I have consulted Sodabottle and the refs for the hook are now in place. OCNative (talk) 01:49, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Units check It says 50,000 ft and 12,000 ft. These need conversions.

Hook check Can we find something that would be regarded as remarkable by Misplaced Pages readers?

Lightmouse (talk) 13:52, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

• I've fixed the units. Regarding the hook, I think it is rather remarkable to be a magazine publisher at the age of 20. OCNative (talk) 09:33, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the fix to the units. School magazines are written by people up to the age of 20. Lightmouse (talk) 10:46, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

This wasn't a school magazine. OCNative (talk) 11:04, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Aha! If the Misplaced Pages reader can see that fact in the hook, it may indeed be remarkable to them. Lightmouse (talk) 14:23, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

I don't believe the average person assumes a magazine is a school magazine (I know I didn't). Are you saying we need to say "non-school magazine" instead? OCNative (talk) 10:53, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

• I'm inclined to agree with OCNative, but LM is clearly concerned that "magazine" might be a bit vague. I'd not mind the original, to disagree with my wikifriend! But you might also consider this:

  ALT1 ... that Tamil writer A. K. Chettiar's original 1940s documentary on Mahatma Gandhi was lost, although abridged copies have recently been found.

  Did I get it right? I was slightly confused by "an abridged version made in 1998 and dubbed in English was discovered at the San Francisco State University". (My underline.)

  ARTICLE: Soda, my pet hate, I have to reveal, is non-roman transliterations cluttering the opening. Please revert my footnoting if you don't like it; there's no rule either way. Also, could you check my change "pioneering"? Check my correction "Imperial College of Technology". "many places in India, London, and South Africa"—many places in London? Does this three-item list balance? Maybe.

  Oh, do you guys copy-edit India-related articles????? If so, that would be a valuable resource. Tony (talk) 14:58, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

John Saunders (1949-), R v Chaytor

• ... that following a landmark decision of the United Kingdom's Supreme Court, the same judge passed sentence on each of the six politicians charged in relation to the 2009 Parliamentary expenses scandal?

• Reviewed: N/A

Created by Bob House 884 (talk). Self nom at 18:52, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

• There are 2 articles here, both written on June 18th. R v Chaytor is long enough and would be fine with a different hook. It does not refer to 6 defendants nor to the judge who presided over the trial and sentencing. John Saunders (1949-) does refer to them but I think it may be too short at 247 words of readable prose. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:45, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

• ALT1: ... that in R v Chaytor the UK's Supreme Court paved the way for a number of politicians to be imprisoned for false accounting in the wake of the 2009 Parliamentary expenses scandal?

• • Ah, article name fails Rule F5: Dashes (WP:DASH). And it's in the main text at least once wrong and once right. Please see WP:MOSDASH. Use button under edit-box, or upload the dash script – for breaks and year ranges. Just paste: importScript("User:GregU/dashes.js"); into your vector.js file or monobook.js file. Expect the button at the same tab as the move-page. Instructions for script acquisition in general are here.

    I'm struggling for what might be unusual, or even improper, in the hook. Can you explain whether it's thought of as dodgy procedure for the same judge to do all of this? I fixed the "UK" repetition in the hook. This is the interesting bit in the article, isn't it? Hooky? "During these cases he was noted for strongly criticising the leaders of all three major parties for attacking the defendant MPs during the 2010 election campaign and for allowing reporting of the proceedings via Twitter." Buzz me, I'm interested in making this good. Tony (talk) 09:00, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

The "John Saunders" article is indeed too short at just 1425 characters of readable prose. - Dravecky (talk) 11:14, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 19

Centiloquium

• ... that of three astrological works called the Centiloquium, it is dubious that any of them was compiled by the individual whose name it carries?
  • Reviewed: V. Subbiah Jheald (talk) 11:31, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Created by Jheald (talk). Self nom at 14:07, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

• ALT 1 ... that of three astrological works called the Centiloquium, ascribed to Ptolemy, al-Battani, and Hermes Trismegistus, it is dubious that any of them was compiled by the individual whose name it carries? Jheald (talk) 10:32, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

• Date, length OK. On- and offline hook refs AGF. I think the hook works better with the names, but I suggest this rewording from a grammatical point of view:
• ALT2: ... that of three works on astrology called the Centiloquium, ascribed to Ptolemy, al-Battani, and Hermes Trismegistus, it is dubious whether any was compiled by the individual whose name it carries? Yoninah (talk) 22:37, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

• (hook moved back from current Queues per concerns raised at WT:DYK#Centiloquium (currently at queue 4)) Calmer Waters 19:15, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
  • Probably useful to quote that discussion in full, and centralise discussion here:

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Not sure about the re-write by Tony while it was at Prep 3 (diff).

ALT 3 ... that it's dubious whether any of three works on astrology called the Centiloquium has been correctly ascribed to the authors—respectively Ptolemy, al-Battani, and Hermes Trismegistus?

The problem is that the new text makes it sound as if Ptolemy, al-Battani and Hermes Trismegistus were the true authors. But they were not. The point the hook is (was) trying to make is that although the texts have names that associate them with these authors, those associations are generally held to be false.

So suggest a re-think on this change. Jheald (talk) 17:19, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

You're quite right; sorry. Well spotted. Suggest this:

ALT 4 ... that it's dubious whether any of the ascribed authorship of the three works on astrology called the Centiloquium—to Ptolemy, al-Battani, and Hermes Trismegistus—is correct?

Tony (talk) 17:31, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

• This article is problematic, and perhaps should not be used in its current form. This article deals with three different works, which happen to have the same or similar titles, which reflects a dictionary structure (by what something is called) rather than an encylopedia structure (by what something is); see WP:NOTDIC. This should be separated into three articles, which, from a quick reading, might be called Ptolemy's Centiloquium, Centiloquium of Hermes Trismegistus, and Bethem's Centiloquium (or De consuetudinibus), leaving Centiloquium as a disambiguation page. cmadler (talk) 18:57, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Response: The primary topic of the article is Ptolemy's Centiloquium, which generally gets the title of the Centiloquium, and was the one that was particularly highly regarded in the Middle Ages, in part due to its presumed authorship. The other two were much less significant historically, but are worth distinguishing in the article. They may also be worth considering together because they date from pretty much the same period, treat of essentially pretty similar subject matter -- 100 astrological "sayings", and were often placed together in medieval manuscripts, and were also printed together in the first Latin printed editions. So I don't think it's entirely inappropriate to treat them all together. Jheald (talk) 19:33, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

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I hope that sufficently addresses Cmadler's objection; but obviously that remains up for discussion and it's for consensus to decide.

As for the hooks, I personally prefer Alt 2 to Alt 4; but as I'm closer to Alt 2, I'm probably not someone best place to judge.

The problem, with both perhaps, is the word "ascribe", which could be taken to mean "correct current scholarly ascription" -- the reverse of the intended meaning in Alt 2; and not right in Alt 4 either. Suggestions for synonyms might be useful. Jheald (talk) 22:19, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Please accept my apologies for screwing up that wording in the prep room. It's a hard hook to express in a way that is not clunky; I still don't know how to do it. Good catch, Jheald. Tony (talk) 09:08, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

I've thought about it for a couple days, but I'm not satisfied with Jheald's answer. These are three distinct works, by different authors, with the earliest and latest written 350+ years apart. It would be a bit like covering Afanasev's Russian Fairy Tales in the same article with Polevoi's and Nisbet Bain's collections of the same title. They are distinct works, by different authors, that just happen to share a common title and topic. If Ptolomy's Centiloquium is the primary topic for Centiloquium, that could be left at Centiloquium, and the other two could be spun off to their current redirect pages as stubs, and Centiloquium (disambiguation) created. cmadler (talk) 14:47, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

French India Socialist Party

• ... that once the French India Socialist Party adopted a pro-independence position in 1954, French authorities responded by opening corruption cases against its leaders?

Created by Soman (talk). Self nom at 03:12, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

I reviewed Djadjaemankh. --Soman (talk) 18:20, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

• HOOK: Could we have a temporal anchor, like a decade? Haven't looked at the article. Tony (talk) 13:57, 20 June 2011 (UTC)(

• I've added "1954" to the hook now. --Soman (talk) 15:36, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

• This is my first review, and a second opinion is welcome, but after reading the 1506 prose characters, I felt that this article was still a stub. To me it seems like two paragraphs. Here are some questions for expansion ideas and an issue I have. Couldn't there be some meat on the party's platform/ideology/positions? And from where did they draw their support? Why they split off in 1947? And can please you provide an additional citation so we know the French India Administration was indeed the French authorities? Jesanj (talk) 02:17, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

The article is a stub. Needs copyediting as well. - AnakngAraw (talk) 03:21, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Ok, I will try to expand it somewhat. --Soman (talk) 00:44, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

I have expanded the article now, 3000+ characters, and added more sources. Also, the original hook doesn't work out, add ALT1: "... that in the 1948 municipal polls in Pondicherry, largely assumed to have been rigged, the French India Socialist Party won all 102 seats?" --Soman (talk) 01:19, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Too Young the Hero

• ... that Too Young the Hero tells the true story of Calvin Graham (pictured), a combat-decorated hero who was the youngest US serviceman in World War II, later dishonorably discharged for lying about his age?

Created by BarkingMoon (talk). Self nom at 13:32, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Note: per Misplaced Pages:FILMPLOT#Plot plot summaries do not require a ref, but I've provided one. BarkingMoon (talk) 13:32, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed Ihr Menschen, rühmet Gottes Liebe, BWV 167 BarkingMoon (talk) 13:32, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

date length off line ref AGF Jim Sweeney (talk) 14:51, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Yes, hook is really good, article ok. Shocking story. I thought the plot was a bit fragmentary towards the end. This sentence sticks out, and could be removed or given a smoother ride: "An abusive guard forces him to scrub the floor with a brush on his 13th birthday." Tony (talk) 14:18, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

How about, for the article, not hook, "On his 13th birthday, Graham was forced by an abusive guard to scrub the floor with a toothbrush". ? BarkingMoon (talk) 22:16, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

It's not so much the wording of that sentence, but the lack of smooth connection between what comes before and after, which are both bigger-picture statements; it's like an aside. Perhaps if it was more thematically oriented ... um ... italicised ... "He is returned to the United States where he is mistaken for a deserter and spends three months in the brig, during which he is sexually assaulted by a drunken older sailor and, in a scene that drives home his vulnerability, an abusive guard forces him to scrub the floor with a brush on his 13th birthday. His sister finally has him released by threatening to go to the newspapers." It's a minor point, and I don't know the plot. Tony (talk) 16:39, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Ched has ce'd the article. BarkingMoon (talk) 00:34, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

• Good work. Tony (talk) 09:32, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

• Can the hook integrate the fact that he was 12 years old? That's the most remarkable part of the story.
  ALT1: ... that Too Young the Hero tells the true story of 12-year-old Calvin Graham (pictured), the youngest US serviceman in World War II and a combat-decorated hero later dishonorably discharged for lying about his age? OCNative (talk) 10:20, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Fien with me. BarkingMoon (talk) 17:12, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

• The article is mostly a recap of what is already presented in the Calvin Graham article. at just over 1500 characters, there isn't currently enough new material, from what would be considered split from this article. Calmer Waters 08:53, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Ang Singsing ng Dalagang Marmol

• ... that Ang Singsing ng Dalagang Marmol is one of the first historical novels written in the Philippines during the first decade of the 20th century?

Created/expanded by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nom at 03:02, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

• See my reviews all over this page.- AnakngAraw (talk) 03:03, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Please don't link chronological terms such as "20th century", and see MOSNUM for the numeral rule. I've fixed it in the hook. ARTICLE: I'm confused. "It is one of the first historical novels written during the first decade of the twentieth century." That's a global claim. The hook confines it to the Phillippines. Back to article: problem sentence "during the said period that was written using the technique of amalgamating fact and fiction" -> "during that period that blended fact and fiction ...". Unsure of the fix, but I know it's a problem as is. First time I knew there was a Filipino language and Tagalog. Tony (talk) 08:01, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

• fixed in the article per your comments. May need assistance from you to improve hook and sentences. - AnakngAraw (talk) 11:23, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Regarding the "20th century" fact, it is in one of the refs (i.e. Filipiniana.net) and also in second ref. What's the better option to modify the hook? - AnakngAraw (talk) 11:33, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

ALT 1: ... that Ang Singsing ng Dalagang Marmol is one of the first historical novels written in the Philippines from 1900 to 1910?

ALT 2: ... that the Philippine novel Ang Singsing ng Dalagang Marmol is one of the first historical novels written from 1900 to 1910?

Providing ALTs 1 & 2. - AnakngAraw (talk) 23:52, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

All these hooks are ambiguous. Do you mean to say it's "one of the first historical novels that was written between 1900 and 1910, as opposed to earlier or later" (unlikely)? If not, it needs to be reworded to something like "Ang Singsing ng Dalagang Marmol, written from 1900 to 1910, is one of the Phillipines' first historical novels". rʨanaɢ (talk) 20:55, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

So providing ALT 3: per your suggestion: ... that Ang Singsing ng Dalagang Marmol, written between 1900 and 1910, is one of the Philippines' first historical novels that blended fact and fiction?

ALT 4: ... that Ang Singsing ng Dalagang Marmol, written before 1905, is one of the first historical novels in the Philippines that blended fact and fiction?

ALT 5: ... that Ang Singsing ng Dalagang Marmol, written between 1900 and 1910, is one of the first historical novels in the Philippines that blended fact and fiction?

ALTs 3 to 5 provided. - AnakngAraw (talk) 23:51, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

ALT 6: ... that Ang Singsing ng Dalagang Marmol, written before 1905, is one of the Philippines' first historical novels that blended fact and fiction? - AnakngAraw (talk) 23:55, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

ALT 7: ... that Ang Singsing ng Dalagang Marmol is one of the first historical novels written in the Philippines before 1905? - AnakngAraw (talk) 23:59, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

I don't think you understood my comment, because half of the hooks you suggested still have the same problem I pointed out before. I have stricken them. Also, "...that blended fact and fiction" is not necessary, because that is redundant (blending fact and fiction is, by definition, what historical novels do). So I don't think any of your ALTs are good. Here's my suggestion (and let's please let it be the last one; this is already far too many ALTs for such a simple nomination):

• ALT8: ... that Ang Singsing ng Dalagang Marmol (c. 1905) is one of the Philippines' first historical novels? rʨanaɢ (talk) 00:47, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Well, thank you. That's why I wanted someone to assist here in the first place, apart from noting that Misplaced Pages is a collaborative and more open website. - AnakngAraw (talk) 00:55, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

approved alt8 BarkingMoon (talk) 22:34, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 20

Robert John Kerr

• ... that following a sectarian killing in Northern Ireland, the alleged gunmen – loyalist paramilitaries Robert John Kerr and Robin Jackson – went off to deliver a load of chickens?

• Reviewed: Windawski Canal}}

Created by Jeanne boleyn (talk). Self nom at 07:03, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

• Source confirmed. But how about:

ALT1 ... that Irish loyalists Robert John Kerr and Robin Jackson went on to deliver a load of chickens after allegedly shooting a Catholic chemist? — the Man in Question (in question) 09:14, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

• Robin Jackson was bold in ALT1. I assume this was an accident, as the article has not been expanded 5x recently, and I have unbolded it. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 11:01, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

I like ALT1; however, we should replace Irish loyalists with Northern Irish loyalists, seeing as both men were born in Northern Ireland and would have never been decribed as nor considered themselves Irish.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 12:05, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

ALT2 ... that Northern Irish loyalists Robert John Kerr and Robin Jackson went on to deliver a load of chickens after allegedly shooting a Catholic chemist?

Perfect. I much prefer this version; it's catchy and to the point.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 15:28, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Would others please take a look at this article? I have some very strong reservations about it. A brief look gives me the impression that the allegations (some of which are spoken of as fact in the article) come from the testimony of a single person, and that the pair was never charged, or even questioned in the killing. This may have been due to the extant political realities, as the article maintains, but our BLP policy also urges us to exercise caution when there are living relatives who might be affected by allegations in ambiguous cases. Besides, "allegedly shooting" just begs the question, speaks of it as if "allegedly" is a trivial qualification, when it's certainly anything but.  – OhioStandard (talk) 14:27, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

I don't think BLP applies here, as "questionable material about dead people which has implications for their living relatives and friends, particularly in the case of recent deaths, should be removed promptly." I don't see the implications for the pair's living relatives. We wouldn't use BLP to reject a hook that said "... that Lee Harvey Oswald hid in the Texas Theatre after allegedly shooting John F. Kennedy?" when there is proper sourcing in the Oswald article. (Oswald's widow is still alive.) Oswald was never tried, and there are numerous John F. Kennedy assassination conspiracy theories. OCNative (talk) 14:48, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

I should point out that John Weir's allegations were accepted as credible and published in an Irish judiciary report (The 2003 Barron Report) which was the findings of an official investigation into the 1974 Dublin and Monaghan car bombings commissioned by Irish Supreme Court Justice Henry Barron. He concluded that Weir's evidence was overall credible. Mr. Justice Barron himself criticised the decision not to question either Kerr or Jackson.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 07:24, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, OC and Jeanne for your replies. Jeanne, I should disclose that my present knowledge of Kerr and Jackson comes only from the articles you wrote about them and from a limited review of the sources you cited in those two articles. Based on that, it's my guess that your hook could be correct in its implication that these two men were culpable in the murder of Strathearn, the Catholic chemist.

I'm nevertheless just very reluctant to use Misplaced Pages's voice to effectively accuse anyone of murder based almost exclusively on an affidavit ( not even court testimony ) of a person who was himself convicted for that same murder. And when the persons you suggest were responsible weren't formally accused or even questioned by police that just becomes impossible for me to accept.

I of course understand from your article on Kerr, that some prosecutorial and judicial authorities thought that any action against Kerr and Jackson would have been futile. They believed that the both the local police and various law-enforcement arms of the British government were in collusion with the pair, and with the group they belonged to, and that a genuine investigation would have been impossible for those reasons. Based on what I've read in your articles and in their cited sources, it appears that belief may very well have been correct.

Nevertheless, an informal assertion made by a prosecutor, and apparently supported by the opinion of one or more other officials, doesn't change my view: I just don't think we can properly accuse a person, living or dead, of murder based on such thin assertions, nor in the complete absence of any judicial process at all directed against them. I loathe police and governmental corruption as much as you do, I'm sure, but I don't think it's our role to compensate for such systemic deficits by acting as judge and jury ourselves in this instance, even if we sprinkle the hook and target articles with the mitigating word "allegedly". I'd probably feel differently about this if the allegations had been in any way formal, or even if they had been directly supported by some highly credible and wholly independent human rights organization on the order of Amnesty International or Human Rights Watch. But we don't have that here.

For these reasons, I'm going to go ahead and ask for additional opinions at BLPN. I'm still investigating, and as I learn more about this and about its historical context I'm also trying to prepare a concise orientation to the matter that editors who aren't very familiar with the Troubles can easily understand. It's even possible I'll change my mind as I learn more myself. But in the meantime I think it would be useful to solicit broader participation. If uninvolved editors at BLPN don't share any of the concerns I've raised here, I'll of course be glad to withdraw my objection.  – OhioStandard (talk) 07:20, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

An official Irish judiciary commission, conducted by Irish Supreme Court Justice, Barron, an international panel of inquiry,convened on behalf of the human rights group, the Pat Finucane Centre also supported Weir's affidavit. Besides I should point out that both Kerr and Jackson are dead, therefore BLP is not being directly violated. I used the word allegedly throughout all my articles. This judiciary report from the Irish Government should alleviate your concerns: The Barron Report 2003. pp.132-178; 255-261 Pages 255-261 deal directly with Kerr and Jackson's alleged involvement in the Strathearn killing. This other report might be of interest as well: The Cassel Report 2006--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 08:44, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

I did post to BLPN: You'll naturally want to post a reply there, and I'd of course welcome and encourage that. But might we agree to try to keep most of whatever subsequent discussion the two of us have about this in a single location, insofar as that's practical? On the Kerr talk page for example? This doesn't really seem the place for an ongoing discussion of that nature, and although I know it's not always possible, I think noticeboards like BLPN usually work best if the involved parties try to limit their comments there to initial statements, or at least to fairly brief ones. I think doing so tends to encourage participation from uninvolved editors.

Yes, I was aware of the deaths of Kerr and Jackson, and had reviewed the official report by retired Supreme Court Justice Henry Barron before I posted here or at BLPN, by the way. I'm sure I'm a very great deal less familiar with the Troubles than you are, but I'm not making these objections casually, either: I've spent around six to eight hours looking into this matter so far. I have yet to look at the Cassel Report, though, and will try to get to that soon. But let me know what you think about moving our own discussion to the article talk page.  – OhioStandard (talk) 11:53, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

• I don't think we should be putting anyone allegedly did anything on our front page. I strongly oppose this DYK. Off2riorob (talk) 11:25, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Ohiostandard, I agree with your suggestion to move this disccussion over to Talk:Robert John Kerr.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 16:00, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

• So did anything happen with this one way or the other? OCNative (talk) 09:03, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
  • Based on the editing history of the talk page, no discussion ever took place at Talk:Robert John Kerr. - Dravecky (talk) 11:22, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Die Elenden sollen essen, BWV 75

• ... that the first performance of Bach's cantata Die Elenden sollen essen, BWV 75, in the Nikolaikirche (pictured) started his cantata cycles for the liturgical year, "an artistic undertaking on the largest scale"?

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self nom at 13:06, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

• reviewed: #Lincoln Theater (Los Angeles, California). I hope that the cantata can appear between 25 June and 1 July, around the Sunday it was written for. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:21, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

• Date, length, hook ref verified. But the hook seems too wordy. How about:
• ALT1: ... that with his cantata Die Elenden sollen essen, BWV 75, performed in the Nikolaikirche (pictured) in 1723, Bach set himself a goal of composing a cantata for nearly every Sunday and church holiday? Yoninah (talk) 21:08, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

• Thank you for your suggestion, lets work on it. It's saying too little in two respects: I bet his goal was not "almost" but all, he just didn't make it 100 %. Plus it sounds like for only one year, but he did it for 5, 3 survived. Perhaps we should not speculate about his goals. Btw, the Wolff quote was especially meant for Tony who advised me to read Wolff, not Dürr, smile.

ALT2: ... that Die Elenden sollen essen, BWV 75, performed in the Nikolaikirche (pictured) in 1723, was the first of Bach's cantatas for nearly every Sunday and church holiday for several years? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:57, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

• Or the other way round (comment: the linked list will be improved until it appears, probably not 5*, but worth looking, on top of referencing the statement also):

ALT3: ... that Bach composed in Leipzig several cycles of cantatas for the Sundays and church holidays, starting with Die Elenden sollen essen, BWV 75, performed in the Nikolaikirche (pictured) in 1723. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:41, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

• Thanks, I like ALT2. BTW, I found the words "almost every Sunday and church holiday" right in the source. Date, length, hook ref all verified. ALT2 good to go. Yoninah (talk) 11:01, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

• The source - being an essay - uses that wording after "he wrote", not "... set himself a goal of composing". Too complicated to mention in a hook is the fact, that Leipzig observed quiet time for some Sundays in Advent and Lent, for some of those Sundays he had written a cantata before Leipzig. His goal may have been to compose a new work for all Leipzig occasions, but sometimes he used one of the earlier works instead, only rarely - and only later - compositions of others. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:39, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

• What date should I put this under in the special occasion holding area? Yoninah (talk) 11:05, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

• As suggested and approved, let it sit here, only move it to special occasions if nothing happens until next Wednesday. This is a new approach, both to avoid Christian Sunday (Tony again) and reach other readers, my goal, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:39, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

• Oh ... alright, I'm a fierce anti-theist. Just the phrase "for nearly every Sunday and church holiday for several years" ... do you mean it's usable liturgically at almost any time? If so, I think this needs spelling out in the pipe. So how do you like the Wolff book? The other source I love is the article on the factions in the Leipzig Council ... do you know it? Tony (talk) 13:47, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

• To be more precise, variations of ALT2 (once we missed the week anyway we can work it out):

ALT4: ... that Die Elenden sollen essen, BWV 75, performed in the Nikolaikirche (pictured) in 1723, was the first of Bach's cantatas for more than 50 different occasions during a liturgical year, for several years?

ALT5: ... that Die Elenden sollen essen, BWV 75, performed in the Nikolaikirche (pictured) in 1723, was the first of Bach's cantatas for more than 50 different Sundays and church holidays a year, for several years?

ALT6: ... that Die Elenden sollen essen, BWV 75, performed in the Nikolaikirche (pictured) in 1723, was Bach's first cantata of his annual cycles, each containing cantatas for the different Sundays and church holidays of a year? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:23, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Or this variant of ALT6? ALT7: ... that Die Elenden sollen essen, BWV 75, performed in 1723 in the Nikolaikirche (pictured), was the first cantata of Bach's annual cycles, each containing works for the Sundays and church holidays through a year? If you like that, I'd give it the green tick. Tony (talk) 15:14, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

I like that. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:09, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

• Tony (talk) 05:23, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Gottfried Schloemer

• ... that Gottfried Schloemer (pictured with car) was the designer of the world's first gasoline automobile as well as the first gasoline tractor?

Created by Doug Coldwell (talk). Self nom at 19:59, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

• Request first in queue with picture. thanks--Doug Coldwell 20:34, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
• Referenced in the book "Milwaukee, Volume 1", especially third column of page 12.--Doug Coldwell 20:39, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
• I Reviewed Pagurus samuelis (diff).--Doug Coldwell 20:53, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

• Article says Schloemer first installed an engine in a "motor wagon" in 1889; but Karl Benz built (and patented) the Benz Patent-Motorwagen in 1885. I'd also have more confidence in claims to "world firsts" if there were some references that showed any world recognition to such claims; i.e. a reference published outside Milwaukee, and preferably outside the United States, to show a world-wide view of the subject. Jheald (talk) 10:53, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

• I can understand you concerns on this issue. I don't know exactly what the truth is. I'm just going on references. I understand Misplaced Pages's goal is not to present the truth about each topic but to present what is thought about each topic. I've given 9 references to show this in the lead. In addition under the Titles section the last one is also referenced. Also in this section is an image of Schloemer obituary. What you said I also said in the article to give a neutral point of view. It is a controversal point debated to this day. My article is based on references. because the truth may be had to get since it is a hotly contested issue. I believe the point is that I showed what was thought (by references) of this topic. The truth I'm afraid will never be known. The book "Milwaukee, Volume 1" has on page 12 the article titled Oldest Automobile in the World Made in Milwaukee was published by Milwaukee Association of Commerce in 1921. Both the issue of the first gasoline driven car and the first gasoline tractor can be found there, especially in the third column.--Doug Coldwell 11:28, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

• I'm not prepared to pass this for our front page without references from outside Milwaukee. It's just too big a claim. See also History_of_the_automobile#Internal_combustion_engines. Jheald (talk) 11:36, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
• Incidentally, Tractor says that the first gasoline/petrol-powered tractor was built by John Froelich in 1892, which would be four years earlier than Schloemer's 1896 device. Jheald (talk) 11:50, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

• I understand Misplaced Pages's goal is not to present the truth about each topic but to present what is thought about each topic. Could we get then another unbiased administrator to look at this as I am going on this statement of Misplaced Pages's goal.--Doug Coldwell 11:48, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

• Our articles have to be supported by reliable sources, our front page even more so. Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary sourcing, and I'm sorry, but I can't regard a local paper in Milwaukee as a world authority. I don't believe that in this instance the source is credible to be considered a WP:RS for this proposition.

  But if anybody else wants to jump in and give a second opinion, they're very welcome. Alternatively, you might make the hook something like "Milwaukee sources have called Schloemer the inventor of the world's first gasoline automobile"; though I'm not sure whether that kind of source-washing is permitted here. Jheald (talk) 11:59, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

• (ec) I am with Jheald here. These facts are rather reliable, and the priority of Schloemer is based on local sources of the 1920s. It does not matter how many of those are added to the article. (Around the 19th century many European inventions were either overlooked or ignored in the US. You'll still find plenty of reliable sources claiming that, e.g., can opener is an American invention. And we had a similar debate on this page not long ago on recent local US sources claiming "the first" solar power station or nanotechnology institution, when it was quite obvious they were not.) Materialscientist (talk) 12:09, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

* Alt1 ... that Gottfried Schloemer (pictured with car) built in 1889 the first practical gasoline automobile in Wisconsin? --Doug Coldwell 14:55, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

• ref: "The Wisconsin blue book" by Industrial Commission, pp. 121-122 Not only was the first practical gasoline-propelled automobile built in Wisconsin in 1889 by Gottfried Schloemer... </ref>

* Alt2 ... that Gottfried Schloemer (pictured with car) is the first person to drive a gas-propelled automobile in a floral parade.--Doug Coldwell 19:59, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

• ref: "Milwaukee, Volume 1" (2nd column), Mr. Schloemer later drove the car, heading the first floral parade in which an automobile ever participated. --Doug Coldwell 19:59, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

• • • I'd like to bow out here and leave these to someone else. However, one thing I would say is that I'm still concerned by the generally uncritical presentation of so much hyperbole in the article itself. I think an article ought to treat claims like this with a bit more critical distance, from the top down. Yes, there's a little four-line section tucked quite a long way down the article, but I don't think that's really sufficient in the face of such a blizzard of overstated claims. It wouldn't take much -- just a little shading to suggest that readers might approach the boosterish local sources somewhat critically; but I do think an adjustment of tone like that is required, if we're going to link this off our front page.

      But I'd really prefer if one of the more experienced regulars here could take this on now. The article is certainly interesting and quirky enough that, properly tweaked, it ought eventually to get that link. But I think it still needs a bit of shepherding to get it there, and, with regret, I'd prefer for that to be for somebody else to step up to and take on. Jheald (talk) 21:09, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Looks fine to me. Good work.♦ Dr. Blofeld 22:47, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

The article does need a cleanup for unreliable claims per the above comments. The sources supporting "the first" are not even notable enough to be mentioned (or criticized). It might be just my ignorance, but I don't see any remarkable fact in ALT2. Materialscientist (talk) 23:44, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

I've made some tweaks to the lead; though I still don't like the pile-up of citation links, which I believe is deprecated – could something be done to cosmetically improve this. Seems to me the hook should be something like:

• ALT 3 ... that Gottfried Schloemer (pictured with car) is said considered by some to have built the first practical gasoline automobile in the United States?

-- or would that be too weaselly ? Jheald (talk) 11:44, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Some say... that his carburettor was made of kerosene lamp wicks. And that he had to strike two points of steel every time he wanted a spark. All we know is, he's called the Schloemer.
(Sorry, wrong hook format. Jheald (talk) 12:59, 22 June 2011 (UTC))

Several sources (i.e. books, encyclopedias) show this and they are NOT associated with Wisconsin.--Doug Coldwell 12:53, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Okay, then can I suggest that when you make this claim in the lead, you cite it to just those non-Wisconsin sources, and that you put them together into a single cite (or at most a couple of cites) using <br /> to break the cite over various lines (see WP:CITEBUNDLE). You could then hang the colourful Wisconsin text quotes off another cite later in the article. But what we're trying to establish, when you first make this claim, is that it should be considered credible, because there are some authoritative sources that go along with it. Jheald (talk) 13:29, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

 Done --Doug Coldwell 19:52, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Special plea: could the queuing admin ask at main page whether this pic could be a bit larger as treat? Nominator: I've run the dash script over your ref section. It's so easy. Please consider. Rule F5: Dashes. Please see WP:MOSDASH. Use button under edit-box, or upload the dash script – for breaks and year ranges. Just paste: importScript("User:GregU/dashes.js"); into your vector.js file or monobook.js file. Expect the button at the same tab as the move-page. Instructions for script acquisition in general are here. Tony (talk) 14:13, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Communist Party of French India

• ... that in 1954 the Communist Party of French India formed a liberated commune in Thirubhuvanai, and formed a provisional government there?

Created by Soman (talk). Self nom at 03:20, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

I reviewed Cock ale. --Soman (talk) 18:13, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

The reference seems to say that they liberated a commune in Thirubhuvanai, not that they liberated Thirubhuvanai and then formed a commune there. Not sure how to change the hook or if it matters. -IceCreamAntisocial (talk) 19:01, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

That's correct, I have reworded the article now. A suggestion for an ALT1 hook: "... that the activism of the Communist Party of French India in the 1954 independence struggle caught the attention of the New York Times, which warned of a possible communist take-over in the colony?"

--Soman (talk) 20:24, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

That hook is longer than it needs to be. Something along the lines of "some observers feared that the Communist Party of French India would take over Pondicherry in 1954?" expresses the same thing more compactly. These hooks aren't very interesting, though; the fact that a newspaper speculated something is pretty dull, I think. rʨanaɢ (talk) 21:10, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

I think the interest lies in the fact that 1954 in Pondicherry caught the attention of the international press. Since then, how often has Pondicherry politics been reported abroad? But an attempt to shorten ALT2: "... that in 1954 New York Times warned that the Communist Party of French India was likely to seize power in the colony?" --Soman (talk) 02:13, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

The hooks suggested didn't even mention Pondicherry, though. rʨanaɢ (talk) 03:45, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 21

Robert C. Snyder

• ... that the Louisiana Tech University English professor Robert C. Snyder played the leading role in the establishment of the public library in Lincoln Parish?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 01:21, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed List of accolades received by True Grit (2010 film)

Date and length verified. I don't think it's appropriate to quote Misplaced Pages in your hook. Parrot of Doom 06:40, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Correction made. Billy Hathorn (talk) 10:14, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

I love libraries but many other people find them dull. Biographies and libraries may have to work extra hard to interest a wide audience. Should this be a GA rather than a DYK? Lightmouse (talk) 10:57, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

ALT1 ... that the Louisiana Tech University English professor Robert C. Snyder worked on the Manhattan Project in Oak Ridge, Tennessee, during World War II?

We can improve the ratio between high and low value links. 'Louisiana Tech University' and 'English' are the lowest value of the five. If you delink those, the funnel effect will increase and I'll be happy for ALT1 to go forward. Regards Lightmouse (talk) 12:52, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

As per WP:UNDERLINK, 'Louisiana Tech University' should have a link. As per WP:OVERLINK, 'English' should not. There is no basis in DYK rules for holding up a valid article and hook to enforce someone's personal wish for the "funnel effect." Sharktopus 13:02, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Mohammad Khalil Naik

• ... that in the 2002 Jammu & Kashmir assembly election the communist candidate Mohammad Khalil Naik won the Wachi seat with a margin of merely 80 votes?

Created by Soman (talk). Self nom at 18:10, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

I reviewed Jeune Fille Endormie. --Soman (talk) 23:54, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

• Reliable sources for hook, length is close but sufficient (and the text is not "padded" to make it longer, but pretty succinct, which I like), and the date of the article is also correct, so no problems with this one. Fram (talk) 11:24, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
• ALT 1: That in the 2002 elections to the Jammu and Kashmir Legislative Assembly, Communist Party of India (Marxist) candidate Mohammad Khalil Naik won the Wachi seat by just 80 votes? Neutrality 04:43, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

I would be ok with ALT1 ALT2. --Soman (talk) 14:17, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

The original hook is simpler and thus better focused on the DYK article. --Ohconfucius 11:57, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

I agree with OhC that the original hook is better. It still needs some cleanup, though: "a margin of" is a bit redundant and can perhaps be removed, "with 80 votes" should be "by 80 votes", and "the communist candidate" is an unnecessary detail that can be removed. So:

• ALT2: ... that in the 2002 Jammu & Kashmir assembly election, Mohammad Khalil Naik won the Wachi seat by merely 80 votes? rʨanaɢ (talk) 21:13, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

• Agreed. --Ohconfucius 10:06, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

CFTR inhibitory factor

• ... that the CFTR inhibitory factor is a bacterially produced virulence factor capable of inducing cystic fibrosis (CF) -like conditions in the lungs of a non-CF patient?

5x expanded by Cdbahls (talk). Self nom at 17:05, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Sorry this is a little late, I'm new to wikipedia. This is my first article and DKY. I'd definitely appreciate any feedback or suggestions on my entry as well. Thanks! Cdbahls (talk) 17:05, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Hello there! Glad to have you with us :) This article is eligible for DYK as a 5x expanded article, since it is not new, but is 5x larger in prose than the last version before the expansion began. I've verified, and it is 5x per DYKcheck. The problem remaining is, the hook is not explicitly stated in the article. If you can edit the article to reflect the hook and it is fully supported by a source, it can pass for DYK! We might propose an alternate hook(s) too; which ever you prefer is fine :) Rcej (Robert) – talk 06:20, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Great! I've expounded a bit of the opening paragraph to more explicitly discuss the hook. I'd also love to hear some other suggestions for the hook, or if anyone has any questions about the article. Thanks! Cdbahls (talk) 18:36, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

The hook can make the same point in fewer words:

• ALT1: ... that the CFTR inhibitory factor can induce cystic fibrosis (CF) -like conditions in the lungs of a non-CF patient? rʨanaɢ (talk) 21:16, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

• ALT2 (a little more context and simpler language for general readers of MainPage): ... that people not carrying the mutation for the genetic disorder cystic fibrosis can be induced to develop similar symptoms in the lungs by the bacterial virulence factor Cif? --PFHLai (talk) 22:13, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

• I found it in the ref...in the full text version. Yay! Cdbahls, this is fine work for a first DYK self nomination! Kudos to you :-) Next, ref every paragraph in the article and we're ready. I think we'll go with the ALT1 hook, if that's okay. Rcej (Robert) – talk 05:59, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

• What was wrong with PHFLai's ALT2? If someone strikes out a hook, they should also provide a reason... rʨanaɢ (talk) 13:09, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 22

Fee-for-service, Overutilization

• ... that in health care, a fee-for-service model encourages overutilization, which are treatments of inappropriately high volume or cost?

5x expanded by Jesanj (talk). Self nom at 22:19, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed French India Socialist Party (I have one DYK) Jesanj (talk) 02:21, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

• That second comma does not belong there. Should it be replaced by "and" or "of"? -IceCreamAntisocial (talk) 00:19, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

• I put "which are" because the end of the sentence defines overutilization. I have a draft (User:Jesanj/Overutilization) that I plan on getting online so it can be a double DYK. (article created) Jesanj (talk) 01:43, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

• ALT1: ... that a fee-for-service model encourages the most important factor behind the high cost of U.S. health care—overutilization? Jesanj (talk) 23:53, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
• ALT2: ... that fee-for-service, which predominates in the U.S., encourages the most important factor behind the high cost of U.S. health care—overutilization? Jesanj (talk) 03:12, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

• ALT3: ... that the fee-for-service model encourages overuse, which is the biggest factor behind the high cost of U.S. health care? rʨanaɢ (talk) 21:18, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Comment: While I perfectly agree with this "fact", and it is referenced in that ugly-named article (can't we pipe to the plain English "overuse"?), it's highly politicised, and I'm unsure the data are conclusive. I'd be more comfortable if there were more than one study cited, aside from the JAMA one (even though it's a high-impact journal). Tony (talk) 05:28, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

I haven't looked at the article at all (I just went through a spurt of hook copyediting yesterday after reading some poorly written hooks in the queues), but I agree it sounds like a very strong claim for an issue on which I imagine there is not universal agreement. rʨanaɢ (talk) 13:11, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

I don't think it would be good to pipe with overuse because that's not verified in the source; overuse is just one part of overutilization. Overuse + overcost = overutilization. Jesanj (talk) 15:34, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Charles Franklin Hildebrand

• ... that journalist Charles Franklin Hildebrand wrote 104 columns on the history of Jeff Davis Parish, Louisiana, published collectively under the title As I Remember?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 02:09, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed Hugo Friend

Newness verified, hook ref is an offline source, accepting in good faith. Just kindly verify the length. Thanks. - AnakngAraw (talk) 04:28, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

It is on-line; 5,087 bytes. Billy Hathorn (talk) 17:18, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Cherry Hill Farmouse

• ... that American poet James Whitcomb Riley included in some of his poems the Cherry Hill Farmhouse (pictured) in Falls Church, Virginia?

Created by Divide et Impera (talk). Self nom at 23:41, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

• Length, nominator, timing all good. Checked the hook against the article and source, all good. However, the rules require you to review one article for every one you nominate. Please review an aritcle, or if you already have, tell me which one.--Wehwalt (talk) 01:50, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

• Based on Wehwalt's approval of the date, length, refs, and hook, this is ready to go for DYK. The review rule does not apply until a user has received five DYK credits, so as this is only Divide et Impera's second DYK, a review is encouraged but not required. OCNative (talk) 04:14, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

• style guide breach: please don't link common country names, either in the hook or the article. Tony (talk) 08:43, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
• The delete vote icon is to be used when "Article is either completely ineligible, or else requires considerable work before becoming eligible". Is that what you are saying? I should add I've removed the pipe you queried.--Wehwalt (talk) 11:03, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
  • Whoa, removed an incorrect comma from the hook. BTW, the syntax of that hook ("included in some of his poems") is far from pretty. Can we get a nicer hook? "... that the Cherry Hill Farmhouse (pictured) in Falls Church, Virginia, inhabits (Yes, that's the joke.) the work of American poet James Whitcomb Riley? Drmies (talk) 03:24, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
    • ALT1: ... that the Cherry Hill Farmhouse (pictured) in Falls Church, Virginia, appears in the works of American poet James Whitcomb Riley? rʨanaɢ (talk) 21:20, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Fanny Allen

• ... that Fanny Allen, the daughter of American Revolution patriot Ethan Allen, attributed her conversion to Catholicism to supernatural experiences?

• Reviewed: Eastcote House Gardens ()
• Comment: Note that the article went from 318 words as of this revision on June 21, 2011 to 1642 words at present (5.16 times expansion). Original creator was DLaub (talk · contribs) on 3 April 2006. — AlekJDS 23:07, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

5x expanded by Alekjds (talk). Self nom at 23:07, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

• length, hook and referencing check out. Ironholds (talk) 12:10, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

(Aside: I thought a conversion to Catholicism was a supernatural experience.) The pipe in the hook is deceptive, and actually removes important information from the text. I presume the link is in the article; American Revolution better visible in the hook. But isn't the opening sentence of the article more hooky?

ALT1 ... that Fanny Allen, the daughter of American Revolution patriot Ethan Allen, was the first New England woman to become a Catholic nun." Tony (talk) 08:57, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Sure, that'll do just fine. — AlekJDS 06:16, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

I'm sorry that you haven't been informed earlier, but it is expansion of prose count, not word count. The diff from May have 1862 meaning we would need at least 9310 characters for 5x expansion. It is currently at 8271 characters or 4.4x Calmer Waters 03:02, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Well, darn. I'm not really up for the task right now so I think I'll just throw in the towel on this one. — AlekJDS 04:18, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Herlinatiens

• ... that Herlinatiens' first novel about lesbian relationships is considered the "coming out" for Indonesian writings about gays and lesbians?

Created by Sinukarta (talk), Bgwhite (talk). Self nom at 05:47, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

• Currently nominated for deletion here. —Bruce1ee 09:06, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

• AfD has closed with the decision to keep. Bgwhite (talk) 03:22, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 23

St Mary de Crypt Church

• ... that St Mary de Crypt Church (pictured) was an ammunition factory during the First English Civil War?

Created by Philafrenzy (talk). Nominated by OCNative (talk) at 03:24, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Length, and source for hook both check out. Looks good to go!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 08:42, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Hook is excellent. Article ... wouldn't want to be any shorter. Is there a way of preventing the word "church" occurring four times in the first sentence and seven times in the first three sentences? (Anglican? Building?) I'd have thought the semicircular seat would make a better pic. Tony (talk) 12:05, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks to "Anglican house of worship" and two instances of the word "it," there is now only three instances of church in three sentences, with the first one being the current name of this building and the other two being former names of this same building. OCNative (talk) 11:27, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Anino ng Kahapon

• ... that Anino ng Kahapon is one of the few pro-American novels written during the time when the Philippines was still a territory of the United States?

Created/expanded by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nom at 00:18, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

• See my reviews all over this page.- AnakngAraw (talk) 00:19, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

• No, it doesn't work to ask others to view 'all over this page'. You have made plenty of nominations, and it is impossible for other editors to keep track if your number of nominations and your number of reviews match. --Soman (talk) 01:06, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

• So, here's one. I now reviewed another article named Dicksonia Plantation. - AnakngAraw (talk) 14:31, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Nils Vogt (journalist)

• ... that Norwegian journalist Nils Vogt worked for 45 years at the newspaper Morgenbladet?

• Comment: The article was created today in my time zone.
• Note: I reviewed Jessie Miller below. --Eisfbnore  11:03, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Created by Eisfbnore (talk). Self nom at 10:58, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

• ALT1 ... that Norwegian journalist Nils Vogt was the first chairman of the Norwegian Press Association? Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 11:28, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Date, lenght, both hooks are ok. I would prefer the second one.Alexikoua (talk) 12:29, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Can we find a hook that would be considered extraordinary by Misplaced Pages readers? Lightmouse (talk) 14:08, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Udmurt Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic

• ... that the Udmurt Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic was formed in 1934, but was not a full member of the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic until 1936?

5x expanded by Σ (talk). Self nom at 03:31, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

• Expansion, references, hook and date ok. From what I can see Σ does not have to review article for DYK nomination. --Soman (talk) 04:30, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

A silly question, what was it a (full) member of between 1934 and 1936? Materialscientist (talk) 07:14, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Σ, I'm going to the article to try to extract something that is "interesting, catchy, or punchy". I have to say that this looks like business as usual for a republic. Tony (talk) 12:53, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

OK, got it from the article opening. The surprising thing about this is the number of times the name has been changed. How about this, which you may be able to improve with your knowledge of the topic?

ALT1 ... that the Udmurt Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic, first formed in 1920, has since been renamed three times, most recently as the Udmurt Republic in 1991? Tony (talk) 13:03, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Materialscientist, it was considered part of the RSFSR but never did stuff with them until they had soviets and other important people do important stuff with the RSFSR which was in 1936. And Tony, you need to change that period to a question mark. But otherwise it's good. Thanks. --The Σ _contribs 02:54, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Frankly, I only understood "it was considered part of the RSFSR", but Tony's hook is much better anyway. Materialscientist (talk) 23:04, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

• Oops, I see it's fixed. And nominator, do check once more that the sequence of facts in the article is beyond doubt. I'm sure you know this stuff well, though. Tony (talk) 11:11, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

It is confirmed by what I know and the Great Soviet Encyclopedia (online). --The Σ _contribs 18:04, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

All Hyderabad Trade Union Congress

• ... that in 1946 Makhdoom Mohiuddin, the president of the All Hyderabad Trade Union Congress, was arrested at the founding meeting of the organization?

Created by Soman (talk). Self nom at 03:28, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

• Self-nominator Soman still needs to do a review of another user's DYK nom. OCNative (talk) 04:19, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

I reviewed Udmurt Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic. --Soman (talk) 04:31, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

• Rejigged the word order in the hook: ALT1 ... that Makhdoom Mohiuddin, the president of the All Hyderabad Trade Union Congress, was arrested at the founding meeting of the organization in 1946?

  Hook interest is great. Article: needs further copy-editing. I've fixed dates, dashes, and the section-title that wasn't a noun phrase. You may be interested in reading the Manual of Style on these issues; it's how I learned about them. Article will be ok when massaged, preferably by fresh eyes (easier to see issues, then). Do you have collaborators on WP? It's a great way to work, passing back and forth from each other. Tony (talk) 13:11, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Jessie Miller

• ... that, in 1927, Jessie Miller became the first woman to complete an England to Australia flight?

Created by Gcanyon (talk). Nominated by Strikerforce (talk) at 04:32, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

• Nominator reviewed South African National Blood Service Strikerforce 04:37, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

• The hook is not explicitly supported in neither the WP entry nor the Times article. Eisfbnore  11:01, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 24

Kathleen Cody (actor)

• ... that actress Kathleen Cody starred in 49 episodes of the gothic soap opera Dark Shadows?

Created by Cindamuse (talk). Nominated by Gamaliel (talk) at 23:13, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

• Article ok, but please unlink "actress" and "American", per MOSLINK. "Film appearances": could you merge a few paragraphs (might require a touch of re-knitting, might not) so it's not so "bitty"? Tony (talk) 05:40, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

• Created as a one sentence stub by User:Ukexpat, expanded drastically later that day by User:Cindamuse. Gamaliel (talk) 23:11, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

İncili Çavuş

• ... that Suleiman the Magnificient supposedly gave the apocryphal İncili Çavuş a pearl to wear to distinguish him from other sergeants?

Created by Nedim Ardoğa (talk), Takabeg (talk). Nominated by OCNative (talk) at 11:04, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

John ya Otto Nankudhu

• ... that a pauper will receive a state burial in Namibia?

• Reviewed: Chaetopterus variopedatus ()
• Comment: There are two potential problems with this hook: First, it is somewhat sensationalist. The term "pauper" occurs verbatim in one of the sources, though. Second, it is of course time-sensitive; he's not going to remain in the mortuary forever. This hook would, if approved, need to be checked if new data is available as to how and when he was buried. I'm happy with any other good hook but couldn't think of anything remotely as catchy as this.

Created by Pgallert (talk). Self nom at 12:56, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

• Date, length, sources fine. The hook is awkward though. I think it should contain the article name, and prefer not to link to other articles in a DYK hook. How about ALT1 below? Aymatth2 (talk) 14:59, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

ALT1: ... that John ya Otto Nankudhu, sentenced to death for terrorism in 1968, was granted a Namibian state burial when he died in 2011?

• Well, the hook was made to be awkward. This one might be too much, though. ALT1 is fine with me, although it is rather trivial--I guess any convicted terrorist is considered a hero in some country. --Pgallert (talk) 18:46, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

A hook could be deadly dull: "... that Smallville bus route #9 is a bus route in Smallville?" It could be totally obscure: "... that Oko Jumbo said Iguana was not Bonny Juju?". I don't like either extreme. A hook is an advertisement for a new article, saying "here is why you will find me interesting". It should have one bluelink, the title of the subject article, and the reason it is interesting in as few words as possible. The reader should never feel cheated when they follow the link in the hook. It should only be much later that they realize they have swallowed it. I follow these rules for every hook I make, or at least for most of them. For some of them, anyway.

I am o.k. with either tagline or any other suggestions, Aymatth2 (talk) 04:07, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

I couldn't agree more with Aymatth2 that one link in a DYK (single) hook is the ideal. To me, the original hook is great in the quirky tradition. But ...

ALT2... that a pauper will receive a state burial in Namibia? Tony (talk) 11:04, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

• Either ALT is fine with me. The suggestion with only one blue link is somewhat new to me but could work with this article. Again, at promotion time the article needs to be checked for new developments in either case because "set to receive a state burial" in Namibia is not the same as "definitely to receive a state burial"; I will undertake to keep the article up-to-date but I don't want it to be reported at WT:Main Page unnecessarily. --Pgallert (talk) 07:53, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

• Comment: It is now sealed that he will be receiving a state burial. I changed all three hook candidates to reflect this fact. --Pgallert (talk) 13:23, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Dicksonia Plantation

• ... that a windmill provided the water supply at the Dicksonia Plantation (pictured) in Alabama during the 19th century?

Created by Cougar6 (talk). Nominated by OCNative (talk) at 08:30, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Hook, length, creation date fine with me. Offline ref accepting in good faith. - AnakngAraw (talk) 14:28, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Article good. Hook is a let-down ... windmills providing water? Commonplace in the 19th century. Selection criterion 3: A hook fact is assumed to be "an extraordinary claim". Why not plunder the last section ("Destruction") for your hook? Tony (talk) 11:07, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

How about this:

• ALT1:... that the main house at Dicksonia Plantation (pictured) in Alabama was destroyed by fire twice during the 20th century?

Altairisfar (talk) 20:48, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

• I actually had no idea that it was possible for windmills to provide water and hence assumed it to be "an extraordinary claim." However, I am fine with ALT1 if that is preferred. OCNative (talk) 11:18, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Jack Fellure

• ... that American perennial candidate Jack Fellure, whose platform is based on the Authorized 1611 King James Bible, received the 2012 presidential nomination of the Prohibition Party?

• Reviewed: Arizona State University Art Museum ()

Created by William S. Saturn (talk). Self nom at 22:33, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

• Not sure that we should be capitalizing on his views on homosexuality—it might not be considered neutral. /ƒETCHCOMMS/ 22:43, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

I replaced it with something else.--William S. Saturn (talk) 22:53, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

I like that one, and everything else seems to check out. /ƒETCHCOMMS/ 02:12, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Do you really want have over half of the hook blue linked? Calmer Waters 03:21, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

• The article has been nominated for deletion here, although it looks like a keep. —Bruce1ee 14:22, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Jewish ghettos in German-occupied Poland

• ... that among the Jewish ghettos in German-occupied Poland the most populous was the Warsaw Ghetto (pictured) with over 400,000 inhabitants crammed into an area of 1.3 square miles?

• Comment: See: Review requirement (5)

Created by Matalea (talk). Self nom at 20:08, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

All units checked and validated. Good to go. - AnakngAraw (talk) 23:44, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Great work on hook (truly shocking) and article. I hope this will be worked up for FLC. Three issues for now or later: (1) I didn't like the visual obstruction of the "Only 38 days ..." box at the top, and the corresponding ones below: Would it not be possible to divide each section into a separate table, with this info in the main text that leads into it? (2) the year–month– with the hanging dash was a bit upsetting until I worked out what it stands for. Is there a better way? Most people will have to work harder than I did to sort it out. (Why not "Dec 1939", for example?) (3) By "6–6,800", do you mean "6,000–6,800"? MOSNUM says you gotta type it out. To save horizontal space you could lose the commas if it suits you. Well done. Tony (talk) 10:56, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your excellent feedback. My main concern was to try and make the table-sort buttons work properly in all columns. For example, the dates of creation and liquidation of the ghettos begin with the year rather than the month and so on. The actual specific days when it happened are seldom listed at source, so the hanging dashes can be easily dropped. Keeping all settlements within one table allows for their proper listing in alphabetical order with a single click. -- Matalea (talk) 13:46, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

• The hook should containt a conversion of square miles into an SI unit. — Kpalion 19:55, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

• ALT1: ... that among the Jewish ghettos in German-occupied Poland the most populous was the Warsaw Ghetto (pictured) with over 400,000 inhabitants crammed into an area of 1.3 square miles (3.4 km)?

A lot more formatting has been added via MOSNUM with Template:Sort. Thanks for putting the conversion template into the article although I don't think having it featured in the hook is equally critical. The choice is yours. -- Matalea (talk) 16:48, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Happy for this to go through. Real pity have to ruin that pic by having it so squinty-small, but I suppose it's better than no pic. Frankly, this pic should be the size it is in the article, on the main page. Tony (talk) 05:43, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

• Talk:Main_Page#Image_size_for_DYKs. Tony (talk) 06:56, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Arizona State University Art Museum

• ... that the Arizona State University Art Museum holds Georgia O'Keeffe's first skull painting, Horse's Skull on Blue (1930)?

5x expanded by Neutrality (talk). Self nom at 13:25, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed Bruce T. Halle Library above. Neutrality 13:25, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

• Everything checks out, but don't see the need for the quotes on "skull painting".--William S. Saturn (talk) 22:25, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

• You are completely correct. I've taken out the quotation marks. Neutrality 04:54, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

• Units check It says 10,000 square feet and 49,700 square feet. These need metric values. Lightmouse (talk) 10:57, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
  • I went ahead and added the metric values. Neutrality 18:28, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. I added a couple more. It's a highly linked article so I took out a couple of the lesser value ones.

I'm a fan of museums but many of our readers aren't. I suspect 'skull painting' is more tempting. Can we work on the hook a bit more? Lightmouse (talk)

ALT 1: ... that Georgia O'Keeffe's first skull painting, Horse's Skull on Blue, in the collection of Arizona State University Art Museum, references New Mexico's blue skies and the idea of memento mori? Neutrality 22:24, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

The trend in DYK is to improve the ratio between high and low value links in order to funnel readers. The target article should be the only link, sometimes supported by a second, and at a push a third. How about making it shorter:

ALT 2: ... that Georgia O'Keeffe's first skull painting, Horse's Skull on Blue, in the collection of Arizona State University Art Museum, refers to the idea of memento mori?

Lightmouse (talk) 08:45, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

ALT 3 ... that Georgia O'Keeffe's first skull painting which is held by the Arizona State University Art Museum references the memento mori concept?

Articles created/expanded on June 25

Operation Rainfall

• ... that the fan campaign to release specific Wii video games by the video game developer Nintendo received an official response from the company?

• Reviewed: Keechaka Vadham ()Created by Jonathan Hardin' (talk). Nominated by New Age Retro Hippie (talk) at 09:32, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

• Newness, hook, length, date, accuracy all check out. - — btphelps 04:01, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Denmark–Eritrea relations

• ... that Denmark–Eritrea relations are conducted via their embassies in Kenya and Sweden after Denmark closed their embassy in Eritrea less than five years after it opened?

Created by Ahmetyal (talk). Nominated by OCNative (talk) at 11:56, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Sir William Young, 1st Baronet, Sir William Young, 2nd Baronet

• ... that although Sir William Young, 1st Baronet left his son his four Caribbean estates after his death in 1788, he passed on debts amounting to £110,000, equivalent to over £11 million today?

Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk), Rosiestep (talk). Self nom at 21:31, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

• Ok, except for 251 char hook, which can be trimmed easily enough. Johnbod (talk) 13:57, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
• ALT1: ... that Sir William Young, 1st Baronet, the first Governor of Dominica, in his Will gave four Caribbean estates to his son Sir William Young, 2nd Baronet, but the father's 1788 death left behind £110,000 in debt, a figure equivalent to over £11 million today?
  

It's not under the 200 character (including spaces) limit but it's closer, maybe someone else can craft a better hook? Shearonink (talk) 02:46, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

I like your re-crafted hook, Doctor, maybe even?...

• ALT2 ... that Sir William Young, 1st Baronet, in his Will gave four Caribbean estates to his son, but the father's 1788 death left behind £110,000 in debt, a figure equal to at least £11 million today? --Shearonink (talk) 14:10, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Mini Hatch (2001–2006)

• ... that as the full-sized clay mock-up of the original new Mini Hatch (pictured) was missing an exhaust pipe, chief designer Frank Stephenson, had to make one out of an empty beer can?

• ALT1:... that the exhaust pipe of the original new Mini Hatch (pictured) was a result of a positive result from a presentation when before at the last minute, it had to be made from a beer can?

Created by Rangoon11 (talk). Nominated by Donnie Park (talk) at 16:32, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

• • The actual hook needs a citation. as its currently without a reference. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dr. Blofeld (talk • contribs) 10:56, 26 June 2011 UTC (UTC)
    • Since I nominated this article not created it, wouldn't the reference at the end of that paragraph be where the reference is, it is hard to know since I did not write this article, I think its worth informing the creator about this issue. Donnie Park (talk) 19:31, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
      • I have now fixed it, alternatively would these source be acceptable . Donnie Park (talk) 16:54, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Grant Speed

• ... that before he began shaping sculptures of the American West, Grant Speed of Utah had been a ranch-hand, horse breaker, and rodeo performer?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 04:27, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

ARTICLE overlinked. Or it was. See MoS about "USA" and "ly-". Consider W for Western at the start; but it's unclear you mean "a sculptor in the genre of Westerns", or something like that (I'm unsure). Certainly it's no good in the hook (a western-themed sculptor? The theme was his, applied to his sculptures. Buzz me if you need assistance in these re-phrasings. Independent copy-edit would be good ... a quick one (e.g., "to devote full time to his art"). Hook interest ok. Tony (talk) 12:29, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Hook has been revised. Billy Hathorn (talk) 00:48, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed Stave Falls Dam

Tzeltal people

• ... that the Tzeltal people (Tzeltal child pictured) are the largest indigenous group in the Mexican state of Chiapas?

Created by Thelmadatter (talk). Self nom at 02:38, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

• REVIEWED Robert Hull Fleming Museum Thelmadatter (talk) 02:45, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Length, date and hook okay. AGF for offline sources. --Epipelagic (talk) 03:16, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Not yet. But I think we could construct a tasty hook based on their connection with Maya people. Lightmouse (talk) 15:00, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Ruskin Dam

• ... that the Ruskin Dam (power house pictured) on the Stave River in British Columbia will be undergoing a US$800 million seismic, safety and efficiency upgrade?

Created by--NortyNort (Holla) 02:26, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed: Cape dune mole rat
• I think this dam's use as a filming location is more "hooky" but finding good references for all the TV shows and movies is difficult.--NortyNort (Holla) 02:26, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Agree with Norty. Could be good. Also, why not Canadian dollars? Tony (talk) 12:35, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

The English source went with U.S. dollars which I thought was okay for its use in the article. Are the references for the filming locations okay? I haven't worked in TV-related articles much and know it is probably had to find a good source for this kind of stuff.--NortyNort (Holla) 13:13, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Maple Ridge Times is Canadian, so the "$800 million" here is probably in Canadian dollars. The two currencies are roughly on par these days, anyway. --PFHLai (talk) 20:49, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

List of accolades received by the Spider-Man franchise

• ... that despite Spider-Man 2 being the most critically praised entry in the franchise, it is also the lowest grossing in the trilogy?

Created by Crystal Clear x3 (talk). Self nom at 22:48, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

I got wobbly locating all sources. But all units checked and confirmed. - AnakngAraw (talk) 00:14, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Units check It says 2,400 feet, 3,200 feet, eight feet, twenty feet, 100 pounds. These need metric values.

How about:

Alt1 ... Spider-Man 2 was regarded by critics as the best of the trilogy but made the least money?

Lightmouse (talk) 16:41, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

I am not an accountant, but I don't think "made the least money" in ALT1 is correct. The amount of money made, AFAIK, is the amount grossed minus the production cost. Can "made" be changed to "grossed"? --PFHLai (talk) 05:47, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Stick with the original hook, in part because the ALT1 hook omits any link to the nominated article. The Spider-Man 2 article is not the one nominated, nor should comments about it needing metric units be posted here. This page is for nominating new articles for DYK, not for copy editing pre-existing articles. --EncycloPetey (talk) 22:41, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

O moj Shqypni

• ... that O moj Shqypni has been described as one of the most influential and most important poems written in Albanian?

5x expanded by Vinie007 (talk), Kushtrim123 (talk), ZjarriRrethues (talk). Nominated by ZjarriRrethues (talk) at 18:17, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed 69 Squadron(Israel)

Comment: Expansion began yesterday and not a month ago like Shubinator's DYK tool indicates.--— ZjarriRrethues —  18:26, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Expansion status confirmed. All units checked. Shouldn't the poem be placed back in the article. - AnakngAraw (talk) 00:18, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

• F5 Dashes (WP:DASH) ... year ranges, page ranges. (Just paste: importScript("User:GregU/dashes.js"); into your vector.js file or monobook.js file. Expect the button at the same tab as the move-page. Instructions for script acquisition in general are here.) Also, ref list: closing range should be minimum two digits (101–09, not 101–9, for example). Tony (talk)

Mayhew Foster

• ... that the United States Army pilot Mayhew Foster in 1945 transported Luftwaffe chief Hermann Göring from Austria to Germany, where Goring stood trial for war crimes at Nuremberg?

2x expanded and sourced (BLP) by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 15:18, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

• Length, expansion, source, and recency all check out. Anaxial (talk) 21:25, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Units check. It says three hundred pounds. This needs metric units. Lightmouse (talk) 19:16, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Converted to 136.36 kg. Billy Hathorn (talk) 04:42, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Precision is part art, part science. It isn't a big deal but I've reduced the weight precision from 0.01 kilograms (0.022 lb). Now that's done, I'm fine with the units. Lightmouse (talk) 09:46, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed: Soldiers Chapel

Please don't link common terms like "American", "UK", and frankly, Germany and Austria. "English" (language) ... why linked? We seem to be easier about WWII, etc, in military-themed articles, although so often I see more focused link-targets (sections, daughter articles) that would be more appropriate. WP:OVERLINK. MoS prefers ... three plain periods over that spacey thing for ellipsis points. See MoSDASH about the need to space the dash in full dates. And please no hyphens for year ranges. Rule F5: Dashes. Please see WP:MOSDASH. Use button under edit-box, or upload the dash script – for breaks and year ranges. Just paste: importScript("User:GregU/dashes.js"); into your vector.js file or monobook.js file. Expect the button at the same tab as the move-page. Instructions for script acquisition in general are here. Also, Rule F6: WP:MOSNUM, including the "figures or words" guidelines.]] ... ninety-nine. "I had a .45 in a shoulder holster" ... could you put in a after the number? Otherwise, article good. Ah, and 136.36 kg, I'm certain MOSNUM wants some kind of equivalence in precision: 136 kg is better, isn't it? Tony (talk) 05:02, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Correction made on the links in the article. Billy Hathorn (talk) 16:32, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Soldiers Chapel

• ... that Chet Huntley, newscaster and founder of Big Sky Resort, is buried in the nearby cemetery of Soldiers Chapel?

Created by BarkingMoon (talk). Self nom at 14:40, 25 June 2011 (UTC) Reviewed: Ian Agol, BarkingMoon (talk) 14:40, 25 June 2011 (UTC); I'm mulled over adding to the hook that the chapel is a memorial to a Montana WWII infantry regiment. BarkingMoon (talk) 14:42, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Billy Hathorn (talk) 15:30, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

It refers to 4 feet, which should be converted. The hook seems a little mundane to me. On reading the article, I see the more interesting issue about forbidding certain people from burial there. Can we make something of that? Lightmouse (talk) 16:25, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

LM-convert added. ALT1 that the benefactor of Soldiers Chapel, near Big Sky Resort, wrote that people such as hillbilly Bible thumpers, conscientious objectors, and those who refuse to salute the flag should be excluded from the chapel?, Main or alt1 is okay with me. BarkingMoon (talk) 20:11, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Fiddlies in article: MoS says not USA, but US. Christian is a very very big-picture article; it shouldn't normally be linked. Same with WWII, unless you've got a more specific article or section to link to. Apart from that, good. But the HOOK: Selection criterion 3: A hook fact is assumed to be "an extraordinary claim". This doesn't seem to qualify. Can you comb through the article and find something better? Tony (talk) 04:46, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

I think both hooks qualify, esp alt1 BarkingMoon (talk) 10:12, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

If you replace the woolly term 'felt' with the factual term 'wrote', I'll go for ALT1. Lightmouse (talk) 10:33, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

So changed.BarkingMoon (talk) 23:07, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. ALT1 good for me now. Lightmouse (talk) 11:58, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Jan Claudius de Cock

• ... that the Flemish artist Jan Claudius de Cock decorated the Breda Palace "William and Mary" ceiling (pictured) for King William III, stadtholder of the Netherlands?

Created by Rosiestep (talk). Self nom at 05:39, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed: Bourke B. Hickenlooper

Interesting article. The hook seems a little ordinary for a DYK. Is there an extraordinary claim that can be made? If not, perhaps it'd be better to go for GA. Lightmouse (talk) 16:23, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

• ALT1: ... that a rare panel in Vaduz of Sts. Anthony Abbot and Paul of Thebes is considered "the masterpiece of Jan de Cock", who stands out among the Mannerists? --Rosiestep (talk) 05:03, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Ang mga Anak Dalita

• ... that in the 1911 Philippine novel Ang mga Anak Dalita, author Patricio Mariano explored the industrial and socio-economic upheaval in Manila during the period?

Created/expanded by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nom at 01:16, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

• See my reviews all over this page.- AnakngAraw (talk) 01:17, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Could use some more sources but other than that the hook checks out.♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:27, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

• Please fix: Rule F5: Dashes (WP:DASH). Use button under edit-box, or upload the dash script – for breaks and year ranges. Just paste: importScript("User:GregU/dashes.js"); into your vector.js file or monobook.js file. Expect the button at the same tab as the move-page. Instructions for script acquisition in general are here.

  I'm becoming concerned at the number of early-20th-century Filipino novels that are flowing into DYK right now. Can they not be spaced out a bit after this one? The hook is quite good. So I guess the book cover (as in ref. 2) is too copyright-problematic to include in the article? Tony (talk) 04:53, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

• I used the "–". - AnakngAraw (talk) 22:45, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure what "during the period" in the hook refers to. --PFHLai (talk) 22:22, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

• So how about ALT 1: ... that in the 1911 Philippine novel Ang mga Anak Dalita, author Patricio Mariano explored the industrial and socio-economic upheaval in Manila during a period in his lifetime?
• ALT 2: ... that in the 1911 Philippine novel Ang mga Anak Dalita, author Patricio Mariano explored the industrial and socio-economic upheaval in Manila during the first decade of the 1900s?
• ALT 3: ... that in the 1911 Philippine novel Ang mga Anak Dalita, author Patricio Mariano explored the industrial and socio-economic upheaval in Manila during the early part of the 1900s?

ALTs 1 to 3 provided. - AnakngAraw (talk) 23:40, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 26

Angel Angel

• ... that the 1995 novel Angel Angel is being adapted into the film Long Time Gone starring Meg Ryan?

Created by Teatreez (talk). Nominated by OCNative (talk) at 11:55, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

• Hook and date verified, prose confirmed at 1575 per DYKcheck, article is ready! Rcej (Robert) – talk 06:28, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Graham Leydin

• ... that despite starting in the 1959 VFL Grand Final, Australian footballer Graham Leydin only started two games in the 1961 season?

• ALT1:... that Australian footballer Graham Leydin represented Victoria in cricket against South Africa?

Created by Jevansen (talk). Nominated by OCNative (talk) at 11:50, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Benjamin Wistar Morris, III

• ... that Benjamin Wistar Morris, III designed the first skyscraper (pictured) in Portland, Oregon?

Created by Valfontis (talk). Nominated by OCNative (talk) at 11:41, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Torrs Pony-cap and Horns

• ... that scholars debate whether the 2nd century BC Torrs Pony-cap and Horns in the Museum of Scotland were intended to be worn by a horse, a human or a statue?

Created by Johnbod (talk). Self nom at 13:47, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed: Sir William Young, 1st Baronet, Sir William Young, 2nd Baronet Johnbod (talk) 13:59, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Length and date verified, off-line reference accepted in good faith. Good to go. Calistemon (talk) 00:39, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

ALT1 ... that scholars debate whether the Torrs Pony-cap and Horns of c. 200 BC in the Museum of Scotland were intended to be worn by a horse, a human or a statue? - which reflects than range of estimated dates slightly more accurately. Johnbod (talk) 16:29, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

National Museum of Archaeology (Bolivia)

• ... that the National Archaeology Museum of Bolivia has been described as Bolivia's most prominent museum?

Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk), Nvvchar (talk). Self nom at 10:25, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

• Corrected the title and added an img.--Nvvchar. 10:57, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed Riella.--Nvvchar. 11:06, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

• The claim of "most prominent museum" seems to be supported by a published source, with the relevant text available on-line, but the mention of prec-Columbian figures resembling dinosaurs is cited only from (a) a travel web site that does not mention any resemblance, and (b) a dead link. That part of the hook does not meet DYK requirements for citing the hook. --EncycloPetey (talk) 22:37, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
  • Inadvertently there was dot at the end of the url. I have now refixed this . I thought it was a genuine history article with page number of the text from where it has been exttrcted and not related to any tourism site. Please go through the reference which opens now.--Nvvchar. 13:15, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
    • Source is "Trip advisor", which is a travel website. Source , which has now been linked correctly is a Creationist website trying to prove that men and dinosaurs existed at the same time. Neither of these sites is appropriate as a reliable source by Misplaced Pages standards, and I can't fathom how anyone would think either was a genuine history website. Also note that even a reliable source must be referenced immediately after the fact used in the hook, and not at the end of the paragraph. As it stands, the bit about resemblance to dinosuars is not supported by reliable references or properly placed citations. --EncycloPetey (talk) 13:39, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
• The corrected hook is now fine, but the article's prose needs a major copy editing before use. There are many run-on sentences, many places where punctuation is needed, some in-sentence redundancy of phrases, as well as additional stylistic problems. If someone gives the article a thorough editing for style, it should then be eligible. --EncycloPetey (talk) 21:56, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Rewolucyjni Mściciele

• ... that the anarchist Revolutionary Avengers group from 1910-1914 has been described as the most radical, terrorist organization in the history of Poland?

• Reviewed: Virgin Islands dwarf sphaero

Created by Piotrus (talk). Self nom at 18:19, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

• ALT1:... that on the anniversary of their founder's assassination, the declaration of the anarchist Revolutionary Avengers that they would kill all policeman they saw on the streets resulted in 75% of police officers not reporting for work? --Ohconfucius 10:17, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Word count and dates all check out; have to AGF on the Polish source. Ambiguous prose could do with minor tidying up – I've done all I can. --Ohconfucius 10:17, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

• Mostly fixed I hope. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 17:15, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Majority Judgment

• ... that politically-aware French voters could identify the top four candidates in the 2007 French presidential election based on ratings from a poll which used the Majority Judgment voting system?

Created by Homunq (talk). Self nom at 10:58, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

• It would be more interesting if I could state that the poll results did not agree with the official results... but it's hard to get that into 200 characters without leaving out crucial details ("presidential", "politically-aware", etc.) Homunq (talk) 11:16, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

How about:

• ... that ratings from a Majority Judgment (voting system) poll of the 2007 French presidential election were clear enough to identify the four major candidates, even though the rating order disagreed with official results?

Or:

• ... that observers of the 2007 French presidential election could tell which major candidate had earned each rating in a majority judgment poll, even though the winner under this voting system was not the official one?

Edward Scissorhands (dance)

• ... that unlike the 1990 film version starring Johnny Depp, the 2005 theatrical adaptation of Edward Scissorhands was set in the 1950s and set to music?

• Reviewed: James O. Rodgers, George D. Stillman, Joseph R. Swan, George B. Chadwick, Charles D. Rafferty, Jack Owsley, William F. Knox, John Field, and Art Howe

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self nom at 00:56, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

• Length and date both OK, but the end of the hook is a bit clunky ("set in ... set to..."); can that be rephrased? --EncycloPetey (talk) 22:15, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Ujarrás

• ... that Ujarrás is home to ruins of one of the oldest churches in Costa Rica, Iglesia de Nuestra Senora de la Limpia Concepcion (pictured), which was built in the 1580s and has been proposed as a World Heritage Site?

• Reviewed: Helen Derr

Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk), Nvvchar (talk). Self nom at 09:40, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

• Added an img.--Nvvchar. 10:30, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

date, length, refs, pic license fine. Suggest a more concise ALT, also with 1560 as the source says (please check and adjust, article or hook), and without a ' in 1560s:

ALT1:... that one of the oldest churches in Costa Rica, Iglesia de Nuestra Senora de la Limpia Concepcion (pictured), built in the 1560s in Ujarrás, has been proposed as a World Heritage Site? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:54, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

• ALT1 hook is fine. Thanks.--Nvvchar. 02:00, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Alfred and Emily

• ... that shortly before Doris Lessing's novel Alfred and Emily was published, the Nobel Prize in Literature winner announced it was her last book?

• Reviewed: Wardang Island ()

Created by Teatreez (talk). Nominated by Bruce1ee (talk) at 08:09, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

• Date, length and hook all check. Rlendog (talk) 15:55, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

I removed "that" and the hyphen from the hook. The article was badly overlinked (please see WP:OVERLINK. Deceptive time links like ]: people more likely to click if they're not piped like that. See what I did at the bottom? Could we have the author's d.o.b. at the top? And can one say Nobel laureate in Literature? I'm not sure, but it would be neater. Tony (talk) 05:18, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

As requested, I've added Lessing's dob to the article. I guess we could use "Nobel laureate in Literature" in the hook. I don't feel too strongly either way. —Bruce1ee 05:58, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

• ALT1... that shortly before Doris Lessing's Alfred and Emily was published, the Nobel Prize-winning novelist announced it was her final book? --PFHLai (talk) 22:34, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

• ALT1 is better, thanks. —Bruce1ee 07:18, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Wardang Island

• ... that Wardang Island was used for trials of myxomatosis and rabbit haemorrhagic disease?

• Reviewed: Eduardo Avaroa Andean Fauna National Reserve ()

Created by Maias (talk). Self nom at 03:41, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

• Length, date and hook refs verified. —Bruce1ee 09:24, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Seems inherently interesting to me. For those that don't know about the disease, it may be possible to create a hook about deliberate infection and/or disease escape. Lightmouse (talk) 16:22, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

I think the fact that these two diseases were engineered and released to control a serious pest (introduced by the European invasion) should be in the hook. Article: ref notes don't specify page numbers or page ranges for specific claims. "successful" × 2. Very promising article. Tony (talk) 05:39, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

ALT1: ... that Wardang Island was used for trials of viruses for exterminating rabbits in Australia? Maias (talk) 14:11, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

I think that's better and have no further need for input but don't pass it without a response from Tony. He's more familiar with this topic than I am. Lightmouse (talk) 12:05, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

• Hook is flat, I think. Article is very very good. I hope you're working on more ... please. You might consider (now CSIRO).

  :ALT2: ... that in the 1950s, Wardang Island was the site of a pioneering experiment to develop a biological solution for controlling the plague of instroduced rabbits in Australia? Tony (talk) 12:16, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

2011 Musselshell River flood and Musselshell River

• ... that severe flooding in May 2011 along the Musselshell River resulted in a state of emergency being declared in 51 Montana counties, cities, and Indian reservations?

Created/expanded by User:BarkingMoon (talk). Self nom at 02:02, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

flood article is new, river article 5x (793 to 4192). BarkingMoon (talk) 02:02, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed: Lake Cachi, BarkingMoon (talk) 02:02, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

• Length/expansion, date and hook refs verified for both articles. —Bruce1ee 09:36, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Units check. '2011 Musselshell River flood' has many units without metric equivalents.

Hook check. How about:

ALT1. ... that 2011 Musselshell River flood resulted in a state of emergency being declared in 51 Montana counties, cities, and Indian reservations?

Lightmouse (talk) 12:06, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

ALT2. ... that 2011 Musselshell River flood was one of several floods that resulted in a state of emergency being declared in 51 Montana counties, cities, and Indian reservations?

Comment: The declaration resulted from all the floods in Montana, not just the Musselshell flood.--Mike Cline (talk) 13:43, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Aha, good clarification. ALT2 is much better. The phrase 'major May 2011 floods' within it seems redundent to me and shorter is better in DYK. If you remove it, I'll be happier. Even if not, I'll still support it to go forward. Lightmouse (talk) 16:19, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

LM-did the converts except I don't know how to do the cubic ones. If you could help with that, I'd appreciate it. I like ALT2 also, which tweak of it doesn't matter to me. BarkingMoon (talk) 20:18, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Alt2 adjusted per Lightmouse suggestion. --Mike Cline (talk) 20:25, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Photos on the way. Someone just agreed to release two under CC 3.0.BarkingMoon (talk) 22:52, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

I've done the remaining units in both the flood and river articles. A photo will be a help. Alt2 is now good for me. Lightmouse (talk) 09:03, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Pics received, permission received, submitted to OTRS, uploaded to commons, added to both articles.BarkingMoon (talk) 20:04, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Great. Thanks for the effort. It's a very good outcome. Lightmouse (talk) 12:07, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Greatham Church

• ... that writer Arthur Mee was once advised not to mistake Greatham Church (pictured) for a haystack?

• Reviewed: The Fly-fisher's Entomology (Difff)

Created by Hassocks5489 (talk). Self nom at 21:18, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

• Billy Hathorn (talk) 00:43, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

The "curiosity" hook is just great. But DYK image rule: "Suitable, attractive, and interesting at 100 × 100px." ... could you brighten the shadowy bit? I've partially treated the serious overlinking in the article. Good article. English Heritage ... could it be piped to something more explicit, like the English Heritage ?Office? EH seems like it's their brand name. Tony (talk) 05:47, 28 June 2011 (UTC) PS the left-side image in the article: it sandwiches the text for many readers, depending on their window width and other settings. Can it be repositioned on the right, below the infobox? Tony (talk) 05:49, 28 June 2011 (UTC) PPS Lancet windows might be a better hook image? Tony (talk) 05:49, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

I've shuffled the pics around; not sure if the result is better. English Heritage is the official name of the department (technically, non-departmental body), so that is the best link – they are the ones responsible for granting listed status. I'll have a go at editing the picture when I get home tonight (there is another here from a different angle; possibly brighter). Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 13:02, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Chavruta

• ... that when yeshiva students learn in chavruta, they may wave their hands and even shout at each other?

• Reviewed: Tatiana von Metternich-Winneburg ()

5x expanded by Yoninah (talk). Self nom at 20:28, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

• Alternatively, this alt may make more sense to readers who aren't familiar with the term. ("Chavruta" can refer to either a pair of students or to one student in the pair.) For this alt, the Ashkenazi pronunciation of "chavrusa" is more appropriate and will get more hits:
• ALT1: ... that when yeshiva students learn with their chavrusas (chavrusas at Beth Medrash Govoha pictured), they may wave their hands and shout at each other? Yoninah (talk) 21:48, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

date, length and hook all copacetic - ALT1 is ok - I'd take out the "even" PS: the image is a good one to add. Nice visual. Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:43, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

• I added the image; it's a little hard to work into the hook, but I tried. Yoninah (talk) 09:37, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

• As nice as the image is, it really doesn't encapsulate what a chavrusa is, which is two students sitting together over their Gemaras. Perhaps there is an image that we can upload from Flicker? though I don't know how to do that. Yoninah (talk) 12:50, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

SS Kowloon No.1

• ... that in May 1951, SS Nancy Moller was intercepted by HMS Cossack off Hainan, China whilst carrying a cargo of rubber in contravention of a United Nations embargo?

• Reviewed: SS Ava (1855)

Created by Mjroots (talk). Self nom at 17:42, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

New article, length fine, with offline source. I'm just wondering if there is an online equivalent. Otherwise good to go, accepting offline source in good faith. - AnakngAraw (talk) 04:00, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Refs #17 and #18 also confirm, and are online. Mjroots (talk) 05:08, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

I think it could be shorter and punchier with the target link standing out:

ALT1 ... that in May 1951, SS Nancy Moller was intercepted carrying a cargo of rubber in contravention of a United Nations embargo?

Lightmouse (talk) 11:55, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Comment: I think that the fact the Royal Navy carried out the interception is what gives the hook its punch, hence Cossack really ought to be mentioned. Mjroots (talk) 12:22, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

It may be that this DYK claim won't work.

ALT2 ... that in May 1951, SS Nancy Moller was intercepted by HMS Cossack carrying a cargo of rubber in contravention of a United Nations embargo?

The plain factual nature of the claim and the subject matter (cargos of rubber, ships most people haven't heard of) may not meet DYK criteria:

• Selection criterion 1: "Try to select articles that are ... 'interesting' to a wide audience"
• Selection criterion 3: A hook fact is assumed to be "an extraordinary claim"

Is there something that can be said that's more likely to be regarded as extraordinary by a wide number of people? Lightmouse (talk) 16:09, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Lightmouse, are you saying that cargo ships are not interersting? Ok, they don't get the glamour of the ocean liners, but some of them have far more interesting histories. Researching them is harder work, but worth the effort involved. Mjroots (talk) 10:05, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

I think its a very extraordinary claim, that a British merchant vessel was captured by a British warship for carrying contraband to Communist China during the Korean War. If the Korean War bit can be included, I think it would improve the hook. Manxruler (talk) 20:23, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Ah! I didn't know SS meant it was a British ship. Perhaps many readers won't either. The trend in DYK is to improve the ratio between high and low value links in order to funnel readers. The target article should be the only link, sometimes supported by a second, and at a push a third. Now I know it was Brit on Brit, it is extraordinary to me. With a bit more tinkering, this could be a nice one. Lightmouse (talk) 09:10, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

SS doe not mean it was a British ship, merely that it was powered by a steam engine. Ok, taking the above on board -

ALT3 ... that the British steamship Nancy Moller was intercepted in May 1951 by HMS Cossack off Hainan, China whilst carrying a cargo of rubber in contravention of an United Nations embargo imposed due to the Korean War? Mjroots (talk) 10:01, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Great! It was worth the extra debate. Lightmouse (talk) 10:29, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Well. What I would have done before breaking out the whole "this isn't an extraordinary claim"-stuff, which is getting pretty old, is to actually read the article. That would have cleared up the whole issue right away, with a simple alt hook instead of all this unnecessary business. The hook indeed benefited from adding the clarification about a British warship seizing a British merchant ship, but naval intercepts are pretty exciting in themselves. Blockades too.

The claim that the nominated article should be the only link in the hook is controversial, to say the least. In my opinion relevant links help people understand the hooks. And although not everyone may know that the SS ship prefix stands for "steamship", there are more than enough maritime interested people out there the justify the hook. No hook can please everybody, trying to get hooks that will please everyone is in my mind a recipe for fewer specialist articles, fewer articles like this one. Manxruler (talk) 18:14, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

• The ALT3 hook is too long at 211 characters. Can it be shortened? —Bruce1ee 12:39, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

• ALT3a (198 characters): ... that the British steamship Nancy Moller was intercepted in 1951 by HMS Cossack whilst carrying a cargo of rubber to China in contravention of an United Nations embargo imposed due to the Korean War? --PFHLai (talk) 22:52, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

The Fly-fisher's Entomology

• ... that Alfred Ronalds' The Fly-fisher's Entomology (1836) was the first work on fly fishing to illustrate named artificial flies and their counterpart natural insects?

• Reviewed: Theodore W. Brevard

Created by Mike Cline (talk). Self nom at 13:24, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

• Creation date was actually 21st June, but still within the "deadline". Length, referencing and hook claim are fine; the relevant reference is an offline source (book). Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 21:12, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, I am continually surprised by the misunderstanding of creation date for DYK purposes. Selection Criteria, section 1-New, bullet point 4 could not be any clearer--Articles that have been worked on exclusively in a user or user talk subpage and then moved (or in some cases pasted) to the article mainspace are considered new as of the date they reach the mainspace.. This article reached the mainspace on June 26th. --Mike Cline (talk) 21:55, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Yes, my apologies—I should have checked the history more closely. Sorry about that! Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 22:05, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

King Creole

• ... that the 1958 King Creole, based on the novel A Stone for Danny Fisher,

was set to be starred by James Dean as a New York boxer, but ultimately after his death the role went to Elvis Presley as a New Orleans club singer? Created/expanded by GDuwen (talk). Self nom at 16:34, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Three to four day old article. That means it is still new. Ref cited to offline source. Accepting in good faith. Length way beyond the minimum. Good to go. - AnakngAraw (talk) 03:50, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Could you apply the style guides? Date format comma, spaced dash for full dates; "The New York Times gave a favorable review to the movie"—did they mail it? Please consider avoiding a left-side pic adjacent to the infobox. Narrow screens will squash the text badly. Why not a 240px pic, anyway? Promising article, and good work thus far. Tony (talk) 07:53, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

The Stars in the Bright Sky

• ... that The Herald said the character Manda from Alan Warner's 2010 novel The Stars in the Bright Sky was "the most vivid, aggravating lynchpin in recent Scottish fiction"?

Created by Deserter1 (talk). Self nom at 19:31, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

New article, hook properly cited, length within requirement. Passed. - AnakngAraw (talk) 03:44, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 27

Mietek Pemper,

• ... that Mietek Pemper, who was forced to work as Amon Göth's secretary, compiled and typed Oskar Schindler's famous list, which saved 1,200 Jewish prisoners from the Holocaust?

• Reviewed: McArthur Mining Company ()

Created by Scanlan (talk). Self nom at 19:20, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

African Methodist Episcopal University

• ... that the African Methodist Episcopal University is the second largest university in Liberia?

Created by Aboutmovies (talk). Self nom at 06:33, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed: Tautira ()

I Married Wyatt Earp

• ... that the semi-nude woman on the cover of the memoir I Married Wyatt Earp, which editor Glen Boyer said was of Wyatt Earp's wife Josephine, was actually a novelty photogravure from 1914?

Created by Btphelps (talk). Self nom at 08:54, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed Operation Rainfall here. — btphelps 04:04, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

• ALT1 ... that the memoir I Married Wyatt Earp, supposedly by Wyatt Earp's wife Josephine, was regarded as factual and cited by scholars, and after 23 years it was discovered to be a "fraud" and a "hoax"?

• ALT2 ... that Glen Boyer, who edited the memoir I Married Wyatt Earp, was regarded for years as the foremost authority on Wyatt Earp, but 23 years later the book was proven be a "fraud" and a "hoax"?

• ALT3 ... that Glen Boyer, who edited the memoir I Married Wyatt Earp by Wyatt Earp's wife Josephine, when asked 23 years later about his sources, said he could "lie, cheat" and "say any darned thing I please"?

Well-written and fascinating article about the primary and secondary subjects; the illustrations are equally beautiful and appropriately used. Length is obviously satisfactory; moved to mainspace on 28 June. The hooks all check out, but are overlinked (now remedied). --Ohconfucius 04:23, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Van de koele meren des doods

• ... that the Dutch novel Van de koele meren des doods (1900) was made into a movie in 1982 by Nouchka van Brakel, with Renée Soutendijk (pictured) starring as the sexually repressed main character?

Created/expanded by SpeakFree (talk). Nominated by Drmies (talk) at 04:32, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed Christine Jorgensen Reveals (below). This is a quadruple nomination: Van de koele meren des doods and Van de koele meren des doods (film) are both new, Nouchka van Brakel is new, Renée Soutendijk is an expanded and now properly sourced BLP. Credit for all these DYKs should go to User:Drmies, User:SpeakFree, and User:LadyofShalott. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 04:58, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Christine Jorgensen Reveals

• ... that Christine Jorgensen Reveals is a docudrama about the first celebrity transsexual who was at the time the world's most famous woman?

• Reviewed: James O. Rodgers, George D. Stillman, Joseph R. Swan, George B. Chadwick, Charles D. Rafferty, Jack Owsley, William F. Knox, John Field, and Art Howe

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self nom at 01:05, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

• This is really interesting, but I have a few qualms. First of all, I made a few copyedits, but the article is still choppy in places (all the way at the end, for instance--the director and producer come out of nowhere. Second, the hook should probably specify a time or time period. More importantly, though, "the world's most famous woman," according to the article that's only one journalist who says that, so the wording in the hook is a bit too strong. Drmies (talk) 04:38, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

• I will try to spend some time cleaning it up this weekend. I am hoping that Ssilvers (talk · contribs) might login and help me out before then.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:41, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

• I just tried my hand at reformatting and rearranging the article.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 13:11, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Lymm Hall

• ... that the rose garden at Lymm Hall in Cheshire, England, was Edward Kemp's first recorded commission?

• Reviewed: Great Mosque of al-Nuri (Mosul)

Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 15:41, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

• Date, length good, AGF on offline ref. Rlendog (talk) 17:31, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

• edited hook to remove overlinking. --Ohconfucius 04:27, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Dr. John R. Drish House

• ... that the Dr. John R. Drish House (pictured) in Tuscaloosa, Alabama has reportedly been the site of ghost lights and fires?

Created by Altairisfar (talk). Self nom at 01:48, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

• It's good. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 03:29, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

  Not that I necessarily disagree with you, but can you be a bit more precise what aspects you consider it's "good"? Thanks, --Ohconfucius 04:51, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Gudea cylinders

• ... that the Gudea cylinders are the longest literary composition ever found in the Sumerian language?

Created by Paul Bedson (talk). Self nom at 23:55, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed: Ömer Bey Turahanoğlu
• Length, date, references, image etc. all check out. Very nice work. J Milburn (talk) 23:28, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

David Wallis Reeves

• ... that John Philip Sousa considered David Wallis Reeves "The Father of Band Music in America"?

5x expanded by SarekOfVulcan (talk). Self nom at 19:56, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

• Not quite 5x: (420B here, 1861 here). These sources may help:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=I6sgAAAAIBAJ&sjid=T2kFAAAAIBAJ&pg=3720,2634285&dq=david+wallis+reeves&hl=en

http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/csmonitor_historic/access/314784372.html?dids=314784372:314784372&FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:AI&date=Jun+21%2C+1926&author=&pub=Christian+Science+Monitor&desc=REEVES+FOUNTAIN+DEDICATED&pqatl=google  Frank  |  talk  20:32, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

• NOTE: Hook itself is good; short and to the point; sources confirm.  Frank  |  talk  20:35, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

How about now? --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 22:34, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Looks good now.  Frank  |  talk  02:33, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

SS Ava (1855), Julia Selina Inglis, John Frederic Inglis, Alfred Inglis, James Little (physician)

• …when the SS Ava was wrecked off the coast of Ceylon in February 1858, her passengers included Lady Julia Inglis and her sons, John and Alfred, who were evacuees from the Siege of Lucknow, and the ship’s doctor, James Little, who was later to become Honorary Physician to King George V?

• Reviewed: Tonogayato Garden & Cecilia Santiago
• Comment: Articles originally created in user space and transferred into main space on 27 June 2011. At present I am struggling to find 5 DYK proposals to review

Created by Daemonic Kangaroo (talk). Self nom at 19:45, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

• (SS Ava) Length OK, discounting the three blocks of quoted text and the "Other ships" section (should be a shipindex page). Moved to mainspace on date stated. Ref checks out. Will be happy to pass once issues raised with DK on his talk page have been addressed. Mjroots (talk) 10:24, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

• (SS Ava (1855)). DK has made the suggested changes, this particular article is ready, the others still need to be done. Mjroots (talk) 20:06, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Tonogayato Garden

• ... that Tonogayato Garden in Kokubunji, Tokyo is built on the terraced cliffs of Musashino, with a lawn on the hilltop overlooking a bamboo forest and pond at the bottom?

Created by Irina Gelbukh (talk). Nominated by Prioryman (talk) at 18:39, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed: Meine Seel erhebt den Herren, BWV 10. Prioryman (talk) 18:47, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

• Length, creation date, picture and sources all OK. Could the creator check the map co-ordinates I've added to the article? Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 20:02, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

• The coords are correct, thanks for adding them. Prioryman (talk) 21:24, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Holden Thorp

• ... that University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill Chancellor Holden Thorp won $500 at age 17 in a regional contest for the fastest time solving a Rubik's Cube puzzle?

5x expanded by Frank (talk). Self nom at 13:15, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed David Wallis Reeves  Frank  |  talk  20:34, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

• Nice article, good to go. Prioryman (talk) 22:47, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Pholiota communis

• ... that young mushrooms of Pholiota communis (pictured) are sticky?

• Comment: nice pic to use

Created by Casliber (talk), Sasata (talk). Nominated by Casliber (talk) at 08:31, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

• reviewed Chavruta Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:45, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

• Length, creation date and source OK. Source says viscid not sticky but thankfully, viscid means sticky. --Mike Cline (talk) 13:56, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Love that word "vicid"! But sticky is right for that excellent hook. Good article too. Ready to go as far as I'm concerned. I only wish the sticky killed its victims instantly ... would be hook of the month, then! Tony (talk) 10:38, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Déjame Entrar (Carlos Vives song)

• ... that "Déjame Entrar" by Colombian singer-songwriter Carlos Vives was awarded the Latin Grammy Award for Best Tropical Song?

Created by Jaespinoza (talk) 06:26, 27 June 2011 (UTC). Self nom at 06:25, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

• All DYK criteria met. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 13:23, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

OK, no in-principle objection, but wait just a second; could a few things be fixed first? Huge grey paragraph could be allowed to breathe with a split. Why is "song" linked? Just checking, the opening claim is supported by ref 1, yes? When you have a moment, the ugly spaced em dash in the external link pipes could be – an en dash, per MoS. I do hope the nominator is coming back ... I'm never sure. Tony (talk) 10:43, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed: Celebrity Autobiography: In Their Own Words (play). Jaespinoza (talk) 00:49, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

I have also adressed all the conceirns about the article, thanks for the comments. Jaespinoza (talk) 00:49, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Current nominations

Articles created/expanded on June 28

Thomas Ford Chipp, Imatong Mountains

• ... that Thomas Ford Chipp found Coreopsis Chippii in the Imatong Mountains?

• Reviewed: Jeremy Howard-Williams ()

Created by Aymatth2 (talk). Self nom at 00:30, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Jeremy Howard-Williams

• ... that although Jeremy Howard-Williams was a fighter pilot, he wrote "classic account of the sail-maker's art"?

Created by Daemonic Kangaroo (talk). Nominated by OCNative (talk) at 23:49, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

• Date, length, hook all o.k. Aymatth2 (talk) 00:25, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Ujjani Dam

• ... that in the Bhima River valley, of the 22 dams built, the Ujjani Dam (pictured) in Maharashtra, India is the terminal and also the largest dam in the valley?

Created/expanded by Nvvchar (talk). Self nom at 14:01, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

• Date, length, hook etc all o.k. Good to go. I prefer ALT1 below, without links except to the DYK article (I clicked on Bhima River by accident before getting to the article.) Aymatth2 (talk) 00:54, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

ALT1 ... that in the Bhima River valley, of the 22 dams built, the Ujjani Dam (pictured) in Maharashtra, India is the terminal and also the largest dam in the valley?

Clemenstone

• ... that Clemenstone, a hamlet in south Wales near Wick, was the seat of several high sheriffs of Glamorganshire?

• Reviewed: Mikhail Lakhitov

Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk), Nvvchar (talk), Rosiestep (talk). Self nom at 10:19, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Slobodan Branković

• ... that Slobodan Branković ran in the men's 400 metres race in the 1992 Barcelona Games as an Independent Olympic Participant?

Created by Sillyfolkboy (talk). Nominated by PFHLai (talk) at 19:38, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

• Length, date, hook check out fine. Good to go. GregorB (talk) 16:51, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Tautira

• ... that Robert Louis Stevenson, who stayed in Tautira, Tahiti (pictured) for two months, called it “The Garden of the World” in his letters to his friends?

5x expanded by Nvvchar (talk), Dr. Blofeld (talk), Rosiestep (talk). Self nom at 04:10, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed: Aparados da Serra National Park

• Added an img.--Nvvchar. 05:20, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Date, expansion, hook, etc. all check out. Image is PD and as such good to go. Aboutmovies (talk) 07:05, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

The Ride to Conquer Cancer

• ... that The Ride to Conquer Cancer is the largest cycling fundraiser in Canadian history?

• Reviewed: SR Battle of Britain class 21C151 Winston Churchill ()

Created by Resolute (talk). Nominated by E2eamon (talk) at 16:26, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

• Should that clarify that this is in terms of dollars raised rather than people involved? That's what the source says. All Hail The Muffin Nor does it taste nice... 21:31, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
• That seems like a good idea. How about ALT 1-- that The Ride to Conquer Cancer raised more money than any other cycling fundraiser in Canadian history? --E♴(talk) 00:26, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Tanguy Ngombo

• ... that Qatari basketball player Tanguy Ngombo allegedly lied about his name and his birth date in order to be selected in the 2011 NBA Draft?

• ALT1:... that 2011 NBA champion Dallas Mavericks selected Qatari basketball player Tanguy Ngombo in the second round of the 2011 NBA Draft?
• Reviewed: Shankar Mahadevan Academy ()
• Comment: The hook is quite controversial, but it is more likely to attract more readers then the more neutral ALT1. To the reviewer, can you please state which hook is preferred. Thanks.

5x expanded by Martin tamb (talk). Self nom at 07:20, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

• The ALT1 hook is indeed rather plain, but the original one appears to be in violation of DYK rules ("Articles and hooks that focus unduly on negative aspects of living individuals or promote one side of an ongoing dispute should be avoided."). Maybe the hook could be restated so that it doesn't suggest Ngombo lied. Could someone give a second opinion here? GregorB (talk) 17:02, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Tikal Temple III

• ... that Temple III at the Maya city of Tikal in Guatemala was the last pyramid ever built there?

Created by Simon Burchell (talk). Self nom at 21:31, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed: Little Marton Mill

Creation date is OK; need to AGF on the sources, which are printed publications. I believe that the nominator may have rushed the listing of this article as a DYK, for it is a poor cousin to the other articles on Tikal pyramids. Its body length is a little shy of the 1500 character requirement; the subject is potentially fascinating, but is instead a blotchy stub that tells us little about its origins and its relation to other subjects of the same epoch. The article is unclear, lacks context, and whilst there is mention of it being paired to Altar 6 – this remains the only mention, and no explanation is forthcoming about the significance of that connection. --Ohconfucius 06:16, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

• DYKcheck gave me 1740 characters, taking it over the 1500 minimum, otherwise I'd never have submitted it here. Indeed it is a poor relation to the other major temples - unfortunately, this pyramid has not been fully investigated archaeologically, I read somewhere (but cannot find it anywhere) that this pyramid was being left more or less in the state it was originally found, i.e. covered in jungle, so visitors can appreciate how the ruins looked when discovered - I probably read this on an information plaque on my last visit to the site. As such, there is no further information on the temple, at least not in the sources I have to hand. Simon Burchell (talk) 08:29, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

• I just double checked the length with MS word, returns 1740, same as DYKcheck. Simon Burchell (talk) 08:36, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Funny, I used Word too. Script tool gives 1740, but it was never clear to me what those measures indicated. I copied over to Word only characters (excluding the headers, images, references), not counting spaces. Anyway, now it's established that's what the script counts, we'll go by that. So no luck on the Altar 6 matter, then? --Ohconfucius 15:49, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

• I've just clarified the stela-altar pair as being typical Maya practice, and moved the wikilink to Maya stelae, so this can be followed up by interested readers. Simon Burchell (talk) 16:19, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Passed following the nom's changes. --Ohconfucius 01:48, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Kit house

• ... that between 1908 and 1940, more than 100,000 mail-order homes were sold in the US?

Created by Textorus (talk). Self nom at 02:32, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

(Reviewing William L. Brandon, waiting for author to respond. Textorus (talk) 03:19, 29 June 2011 (UTC))

DYK image rule: "Suitable, attractive, and interesting at 100 × 100px.". Does this pic work at tiny size? Rule F5: Dashes (WP:DASH) ... I've run the script on it, but could you deal with this next time? Huge quotation ... why not split it into two at least, with a bit of intervening text? Tony (talk) 10:47, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

You're right, the picture doesn't work well at 100px; it's not essential for DYK, so ignore it. Dashes I don't have on my keyboard; that is a tiny detail people with scripts and bots can deal with in a few seconds, I'm focused on well written and sourced content. The large quote stands on its own merits; there is no point IMO adding even MORE words to a long block quote, when it is clear, concise, and specific already. Any paraphrase would just add words that serve no purpose. Textorus (talk) 12:38, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

I have picture of a kit house in Muleshoe, Texas and will add it later. There is also a kit house in Port Aransas, Texas, that was saved from salvage and is now a visitor's center. Billy Hathorn (talk) 12:44, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

• The long quotation in the article does not comply with policy on nonfree content (see WP:NFCC). It needs to be fixed before this article will be eligible for DYK. --Orlady (talk) 19:40, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

The policy states that quotes are acceptable if clearly marked and cited as quotes. Which it is in this case. Textorus (talk) 23:24, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

• Er, yes, but it's way overboard. Just because you have licence to copy it, doesn't mean you should. --Ohconfucius 06:22, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

I withdraw the nomination. Textorus (talk) 03:01, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

The Cenotaph, Whitehall

• ... that The Cenotaph, Whitehall replaced a wood-and-plaster cenotaph erected in 1919 for the Allied Victory Parade?

Created by Thom2002 (talk). Self nom at 22:07, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

• Date and length okay, but hook is not properly cited (only a title provided and nothing else). Also, much of the article is not cited. – VisionHolder « talk » 01:04, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Ephraim McLean Brank

• ... that according to an account by an anonymous British officer, the marksmanship of Kentucky rifleman Ephraim McLean Brank (pictured) contributed more than anything else to the British defeat at the Battle of New Orleans?

• Reviewed: Maurice Fargues ()
• Comment: Article should still meet the length requirement, even without the lengthy quote.

Created by Acdixon (talk). Self nom at 20:28, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
Looks good (length is OK, even without the lengthy quote). Added URL to page where info appears.  Frank  |  talk  00:10, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Die Himmel erzählen die Ehre Gottes, BWV 76

• ... that Bach's second cantata as cantor in Leipzig, Die Himmel erzählen die Ehre Gottes, BWV 76, first performed in the Thomaskirche (pictured), is "in every way ... one of Bach's largest cantatas"?

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self nom at 15:36, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

• reviewed: #Ujarrás, cantata hopefully to appear between 3 July and 8 July, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:26, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
• Date, size and hook, ready to go. Image seems fine as well. --Muhandes (talk) 05:45, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

"Large" in what respect? Large in every way? I cannot agree , and I have serious doubts that this "allmusic" site is a WP:RS. And the "almost" belies the "in every way" claim. Isn't BWV11 longer? That source is full of interpersonal epithets, like "grandest", "impassioned", Article: caption is rather obvious, isn't it? And aren't there two organs in St Thomas's? (The other one the clapped-out 1497 job?). "a week after he had taken up his position as"—often better not to rely on the formula for "past in past" tense ... especially when it's obvious from the rest of the sentence. "after he took up". Again, I object to the swathe of German language—so unnecessary not to translate, and the overlinking of the composer. So you accessed Wolff's book? What do you think? Tony (talk) 10:58, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

• I am so happy that I can drop this attempt to please the quest for "the extraordinary"! But please let me stick to highlighting Bach and cantata as a kind of trademark explaining what all the German is (said before on this page). I consider the Main page as an international showcase with French names and Filipino book titles, why not German? (And please don't change working links in an article. Also it's polite to notify of a question, speaking of "brotherly devotion".)

ALT1: ... that Bach has a trumpet tell God's Glory in cantata Die Himmel erzählen die Ehre Gottes, BWV 76, first performed in the Thomaskirche (pictured), but oboe d'amore and viola da gamba "brotherly devotion". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:33, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

ALT2: ... that in Die Himmel erzählen die Ehre Gottes, BWV 76, first performed in the Thomaskirche (pictured), Bach has a trumpet tell God's Glory in Part I, oboe d'amore and viola da gamba "brotherly devotion" in Part II. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:13, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Bjørn Bjørnsen

• ... that Norwegian journalist Bjørn Bjørnsen started his journalistic career when 15 years old?

5x expanded by Eisfbnore (talk). Self nom at 15:22, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

• I reviewed SS Noemijulia below. --Eisfbnore  15:37, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Article expanded from 309 to 1514 characters, so it fails the 5-times rule by a whisker; it also very marginally passes minimum 'wordcount'.

Also fails criterion 4: there is nothing inherently "extraordinary" in the claim that the subject left school at 15 and started being a journalist – it was extremely common in that day and age, unlike today when people typically study until they are 25 before going into a professional career. --Ohconfucius 06:48, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

I think I have expanded it over the border now. Of course, you are right in that it was normal at the time, but it still sounds a bit peculiar to modern readers, IMHO. --Eisfbnore  12:38, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Passed following nominator's changes. Wordcount, expansion, sources and other minor aspects check out. --Ohconfucius 01:56, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Cecilia Santiago

• ... that by making her debut in the 2011 FIFA Women's World Cup at the age of 16, Cecilia Santiago became the youngest-ever goalkeeper to appear in a World Cup?

Created by Number 57 (talk). Self nom at 14:00, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed 225th (Parachute) Field Ambulance Number 57 14:02, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

The articles cited both say that she was the "youngest keeper of either sex to play in a World Cup", not the youngest player. Can you re-check and add another reference to confirm the hook, or correct the hook? Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 18:44, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Oops, sorry about that. Somehow I misread all the sources (I blame only getting about three hours of sleep last night). Hook corrected. Number 57 19:29, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Length, creation date and source OK, Everything now checks out. Good to go! Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 19:49, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

SS Noemijulia

• ... that after British Corporal, Noemijulia was the second British ship bombed by Spanish Nationalists in the month of August 1937?

• Reviewed: TBA

Created by Mjroots (talk). Self nom at 11:21, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

• Date and length check out but the article says nothing about May 1937. --Eisfbnore  15:37, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

• That's because it was August 1937 - hook corrected. Mjroots (talk) 19:41, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Most of the hyphens need to be replaced by dashes; also hook is a bland and uninteresting – being second at anything isn't terribly significant, let alone second one in a month... what about the duration of the Spanish Civil War? It's a fine article otherwise. --Ohconfucius 06:36, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

I'm OK now, ALT3 is an improvement over the previous ones. --Ohconfucius 02:03, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Can we stop this constant argument over a minor thing like dashes/hyphens in articles appearing on DYK. The fact that some editors think an en dash should replace a hyphen, when both are almost identical in appearance is not a sufficient "fault" to prevent an article appearing on DYK.

ALT1 ... that in 1941, almost 70% of Irish Hazel was condemned as scrap, including all decks.

ALT2 ... that in 1941, the Ministry of War Transport refused to release the steel to repair Irish Hazel in a Dublin shipyard; instead, she was repaired in a Welsh shipyard and was requisitioned by the British while under repair. Mjroots (talk) 11:11, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

• Are you trying to say what I think you are saying, that we should drop application of additional rules, because somehow they don't matter? AFAIK, they have been applied all too weakly in the past... --Ohconfucius 12:18, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
  • I hope this isn't the start of a move to reduce standards for DYKs. Mjroots, professional typography, as required by just about all English-language style guides, has been part of WP's house style for many years. You are welcome to ask for the rules to be changed at places such as WT:MOS. Please note, also, that the rules on dashes have been overwhelmingly endorsed by the community; you could buzz me if you want me to find the link. The dash script is one of our most successful technically; it's easy to acquire. User:GregU developed it. At once click, I've fixed your whole article. Good closing-range double digits, not quadruple, to save space in the infobox; I wish everyone did this. " In 1930, she was sold to the UK"—this was the British goverment, navy? Could you specify? IMO, too much "she ... she ... she was ... she was ...". You might consider rotating the name of the ship, "the ship", and "she", to avoid this repetitiveness. I've tweaked the opening sentence. Good article indeed, apart from these matters.

    HOOK: Please go easy on the low-value links, as required by the WP:OVERLINK guidelines. I've unlinked "steel". "Scrap" shouldn't be linked in competition with the link to your DYK article (and probably in most articles themselves ... WP is not a dictionary, the pillar says). Would you mind a semicolon in the middle of ALT2, which I've edited in, for smooth flow? ALT2 is a really good hook, I must say. When we have watchlisting (soon, apparently), I'll return immediately I see this light up. Hope I remember. Tony (talk) 12:30, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

    • Please see the discussion at WT:DYK. There is a barely perceptible difference between a hyphen and an endash. My keyboard has a hyphen, so that it what gets used. Article on DYK are supposed to be good enough, but they don't have to be of FA quality. As said at WT:DYK, even GAs don't need to have hyphens. It's a bit of extra polish, but it is not necessary to get a DYK. Mjroots (talk) 15:40, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Mjroots, I'm not persuaded about the merits of some guidelines like this one but it *is* the guideline *and* it's easy to fix. All review processes call attention to detail which can appear as trivial. I recommend delinking routine terms like 'steel' and 'scrap' so the funnel effect is greater. That may also be regarded as trivial but it's also easy to fix. The pace of DYK is far too fast to spend time arguing about correct observations that can easily be fixed. If candidates are passed without fixing review comments then there's no point in review and reviewers like Ohconfucius won't stay. Lightmouse (talk) 12:51, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

• I have given the article a few tweaks to address some of the concerns. Gatoclass (talk) 13:44, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

• Suggested ALT3:
• ... that the freighter Noemijulia was bombed twice during the Spanish Civil War but went on to survive World War II? Gatoclass (talk) 13:40, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

ALT3, 'tis good. Article good. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tony1 (talk • contribs)

225th (Parachute) Field Ambulance

• ... that the 225th (Parachute) Field Ambulance a British airborne forces unit, became responsible for the medical welfare of German U-Boat crews?

Self nom Jim Sweeney (talk) 10:08, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed Leotia lubrica listed 27 June

• Offline ref, but AGF and looks good. Number 57 14:00, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Walang Sugat

• ... that the Philippine play Walang Sugat ("Not Wounded") was a statement against imperialism by its author, the father of the Tagalog zarzuela?

Created/expanded by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nom at 02:36, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

• The article I reviewed, other than my own nomination, is King Creole.- AnakngAraw (talk) 02:38, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
• All check out. ceradon 23:38, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Wedlock (band)

• ... that Paul Allgood and Chris Scendo of the band Wedlock have released new material online, and have signed a two record deal with their new label Exquisite Noise?

Created by Kthapelo (talk). Self nom at 21:05, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

• I reviewed Walang Sugat. ceradon 23:40, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

While dates and length check out, I have notability concerns: the creator has written what appears to be a walled garden of articles for this unremarkable two-piece band (including albums, and singles) with more personnel changes than singles. Much hinges on whether the sources cited are reliable. Some seem to be directory entries; there's also recycling of press releases. Uninspiring hook: what band these days does not release material online? Kounterfeit Records and Exquisite Noise don't seem to be notable. --Ohconfucius 06:57, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

William L. Brandon

• ... that William L. Brandon, a Confederate officer, had to have his leg amputated after a ball went through it?

Created by Ceradon (talk). Self nom at 23:27, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Hi Ceradon, I just looked at your article, which has a ton of great info and sources on Gen. Brandon. However, there are several things that need to be fixed before it's ready for DYK, or for Misplaced Pages.

• Per DYK reviewing guidelines, your hook fact (his amputation) "must be immediately followed by an inline citation to a reliable source," which you don't have there at the moment, it's down at the end of the paragraph.
• I didn't make an exact count, but reading through, I noticed maybe a dozen careless typos, and some spelling and grammar errors. You should proofread again and correct, starting with your lead sentence: ". . . best known for serving with the Confederate General in the American Civil War."
• Also in that first sentence, the name of the state should appear after the county names. Not everybody who reads Misplaced Pages has a clue where Adams County is, you know.
• When you make an inline citation for a printed source that is not viewable online, it should NOT be wikilinked; that just makes a circular link back to your own article, which serves no purpose.
• What you call the "Notes" section should be relabled "References"; and what you call "References" should be relabled "Bibliography."
• Then the contents of the bibliography section should be put in alphabetical order, going by the first word in each entry. In all but one case, that is someone's last name. However, although you correctly use Last Name, First Name on those, you should NOT do that for an organization name. Meaning - change Company, Reprint to simply Reprint Company.
• For an encyclopedia article, I wonder if it's truly important to devote so much space in this article to the minute medical details of his amputation. Those details are about one-half of your word count - but do they really outweigh all the other things that occurred in his life?
• All but one of your citations are to printed books, so I can't verify the accuracy of your claims and have to accept them in good faith. However, when I read sentences such as "he labored to bring out every man needed for the service of the Confederacy," I have to wonder if that is your own language, or if you copied it out of a book? It's fine to use quotations, as long as you put them in quotation marks and identify the source - but simply lifting whole phrases and sentences from a source is plagiarism. I'm not saying you did that, but please consider your writing methods here.

Having said all that, I think it will be a fine article when you get it cleaned up. If you need help, hit me at my talk page. Textorus (talk) 03:08, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

I've gone through and fixed a number of things in the article, though I left a couple editor's notes here and here that should be addressed. A couple of the points Textorus raised aren't valid; linking the citations can be useful and I've seen it done in a number of high-quality articles. As for the naming of the reference sections, it's perfectly fine as is (I've use the same format - Footnotes and References sections - in 20+ FAs). One last thing: you've got a reference to "Welsh 2006" - should this be "Welsh 1999" or "Warner 2006"? Parsecboy (talk) 13:43, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Do you mean a Minnie ball? The link you used makes it look like it's a cannonball...I think it should be Minié ball or "minie ball" (pronounced 'minnie'). Shearonink (talk) 23:36, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

NOTE: I have withdrawn my nominated article, so someone else can take over the review of this article. The author of it has not yet responded. Textorus (talk) 03:05, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Jacksonville Braves

• ... that in 1953, the Jacksonville Braves became one of the first two racially integrated baseball teams in the South Atlantic League?

5x expanded by Cuchullain (talk). Self nom at 22:46, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 29

SS Lanthorn

• ... that during the First World War, SS Lanthorn was rescued after a German attack but sank just 1⁄2 mile (0.80 km) from safety?

Created by Motacilla (talk). Nominated by OCNative (talk) at 23:59, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Stella Maris Polytechnic

• ... that students at the Stella Maris Polytechnic university in Monrovia, Liberia pay only $5 per credit?

• Reviewed: Carl Prine ()

Created by Aboutmovies (talk). Self nom at 07:10, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Keechaka Vadham

• ... that Keechaka Vadham was the first silent film made in South India?

Created by Vensatry (talk). Self nom at 05:17, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

• Hook, date, accuracy all check out. - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 09:35, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Bill Noël

• ... that Odessa, Texas oil industialist and banker Bill Noël also raised pecans for commercial food production on a ranch in Sutton County?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 10:45, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed William M. Hutchins

• Good to go. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 11:23, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Pon de Floor

• ... that the music video for "Pon de Floor", a dancehall and funk carioca song by Major Lazer, contains scenes of people dry humping?

• ALT1:... that "Pon de Floor", a dancehall and funk carioca song by Major Lazer, was sampled by Chiddy Bang for "Shooter" and Beyoncé Knowles for "Run the World (Girls)"?
• Reviewed: William M. Hutchins ()

Created by Adabow (talk). Self nom at 09:18, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Shankar Mahadevan Academy

• ... that the Shankar Mahadevan Academy is an online music academy founded by award-winning composer and singer Shankar Mahadevan?

Created by Ravingranter (talk). Nominated by Rcej (talk) at 09:16, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

• Creation date, article length, sources, all checked. — MT (talk) 06:51, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Vinita Gupta

• ... that Vinita Gupta is credited as being the first woman of Indian origin to take her company public in the United States?

• Reviewed: Die Himmel erzählen die Ehre Gottes, BWV 76 ()

Created by Abhinay.leo (talk), Muhandes (talk). Nominated by Muhandes (talk) at 05:49, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

• I fixed the triple-bunger in the hook. Does either of the nominators know the subject in RL, please? I'm not accusing, but I'd like to know to make a judgement here. Hook interest quite good. This statement in the article: "Gupta was recognized by the San Francisco Business Times as one of the most influential businesswomen in the Bay Area." Could you possibly say what she's done to attract this attention? That would be great for article interest, fullness, even at the early stages. Tony (talk) 10:35, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

• I really don't see how this is relevant to DYK nomination and review, but I'll answer anyway. Being acquainted with Gupta would be quite an achievement for me as I'm an ocean away (I'm also quite far away from the other editor). I never heard of her until yesterday. We started working on her article since we edited the IIT Roorkee article, and as she was listed as an alumnus I suppose she caught Abhinay's eye. I just helped as he asked for help, and I ended up writing enough of it to take partial credit.

As for the San Francisco Business Times claim, I think it is well sourced, but on the cautious side I removed it for now, until a direct quite from the San Francisco Business Times can be found. --Muhandes (talk) 11:12, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

• Well Muhandes has already answered most of it. Neither of us know her in RL and just to add, Gupta is among that small group of women entrepreneurs who made it big in silicon valley. Which is why SFBT and the other publication 'Working Women' put her on that list. We didn't find a direct link from SFBT (may be because this was in 1999) but we did find multiple sources quoting SFBT. - abhi (talk) 07:30, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Tony (talk) 11:47, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Rami Levi Hashikma Marketing

• ... that you can buy chicken for 1 shekel a kilo (13 cents a pound) at Rami Levi supermarkets?

• Reviewed: Jerbourg Point ()

Created by Yoninah (talk). Self nom at 00:55, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

• Length, creation date and references to hook verified. Good to go!Some one should emulate this model in India where food and consumer articles prices are raising alarmingly.--Nvvchar. 01:56, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
• Something I could not parse: what is a 'holiday discount' - a discount for purchasing holidays or discount offered on public holidays? --Ohconfucius 06:11, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

• Fails rule F10:- The article reads like the company's promotional material, as does the hook. I've tried copyediting it, but there's just too much. --Ohconfucius 06:25, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

• I fixed the part about holidays.
• Ohconfucious, I do not understand the reasoning for your advertising tag. None of the information in the article (except for the list of store locations and the names of the fast food outlets in the supermarket) is from the company's website – all the information comes from reliable news sources. I tried to present the information as neutrally as possible. It would be helpful if you would identify just what sounds too promotional to you. I also don't understand why you would delete a sourced fact like the company's market share increasing 464% between 2008 and 2011 on the Tel Aviv Stock Exchange. I didn't even include the recent news item where he promised to deliver free groceries every week to the orphans of the Itamar attack until the youngest turns 18.
• If the hook seems promotional rather than catchy, here is an alt:
• ALT1: ... that Rami Levi introduced supermarket price wars to Israel? Yoninah (talk) 09:54, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Unsure whether I like the original hook or ALT1 less. Certainly, the advertising issue is more obvious in the original. Could you avoid left-sided pics unless clearly ok? The text will be squashed at many window widths. 240px would be good, too, for both. What does this mean: "Now he did turn a profit,"? "a 40 square metres (430 sq ft) stall"—awkward (no "s", to start with). MoS suggests reversing, where you do need the s: "a stall 40 square metres (430 sq ft) in area", which also removes the hyphen issue. It's hard, but can the readers get a better grip on what new shekels are worth, in US$? Possibly a footnote to the as of 2011 exchange rate? If it didn't have those newpaper refs, it would be deleted as non-notable. I'm not entirely comfortable with this, but I can't put a clear case against a DYK once the prose is fixed up throughout. Tony (talk) 10:25, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

• Yes, ALT1 is already much better. It's certainly a distinguishing claim, although hard discounting is nothing new, except to Israel in 2007. As to the spam, I'd say that just because its third-party sourced does not necessarily make it non-promotional. There are all sorts of publications out there covering the wide spectrum from objective factual reporting through PR right through to blatant unabashed advertising. Let's not forget that the Israeli press is hardly neutral in the current political context in the Middle East. As an obvious success story, it's being written about in admirative glowing terms. The apparent threatening of its existence in the occupied territories by Palestinian Authority mandated boycott is of equally obvious propaganda value. I have copyedited part of the article, at the same time as removing spam. For instance, I merged the examples of price-cutting into a picture of their continuous strategy. I havent yet touched the on the worst of it, in the sections which follow, but I hope that my work can show you what can be done; I shan't be doing any more.

  I removed the reference to the 4-fold increase in market share or the improvement in share price? Well it's not terribly encyclopaedic. Publicity stunts are generally unencyclopaedic except when its part of another coherent picture, so I'd definitely leave out the bit about free deliveries. And a fourfold increase doesn't mean anything, for it could be 0.1% to 0.464% share, or 10% to 46.4%; plainly writing its position as the third behind Shufersal and Blue Square with x% market share suffices, I think. --Ohconfucius 16:15, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

• Thank you, OhConfucious, for your constructive edits. I will try to fix up the rest of the article per your examples. Yoninah (talk) 17:55, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

William M. Hutchins

• ... that William M. Hutchins, a professor at Appalachian State University for the past 33 years, is the translator of the Cairo Trilogy by Egyptian Nobel Prize-winner Naguib Mahfouz?

Created by Peripatetic (talk). Self nom at 00:55, 29 June 2011 (UTC) I liked the contrast offered by the obscurity of Appalachian State versus the worldwide fame of the Cairo Trilogy, commonly regarded as the finest work in modern Arabic literature.
Wordpress blogs are user-created and very unreliable (WP:BLOG). Adabow (talk · contribs) 09:14, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

• Thanks. I've changed the wording slightly, and the sourcing to the Nobel Prize page itself. Hope this is good for approval now... - Peripatetic

I did correct the wrong hyphen in another hook just a few days ago. Please remove it. Hook is of marginal focus of interest, I've got to say. To make the notability more comfortable, why not include a list of at least a few of Hutchins's publications. A quick look at google scholar should do it. The university webpages are barely enough. There's a slight sense that Rule D7: An article should not look like "work in progress", and must "deal adequately with a topic" is not satisfied. Rather short, even if over the 1500 minimum. Tony (talk) 10:30, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

I edited this. Place of birth not available??? Need links added, can use the universities for links. What about a box? Billy Hathorn (talk) 13:35, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Cheslakee (steamship)

• ... that the only loss of life recorded in the 70 year history of the Union Steamship Company of British Columbia was as a result of the sinking of the steamship Cheslakee (pictured)?

Created by Mtsmallwood (talk). Nominated by NJR ZA (talk) at 14:02, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

• But I think it's more interesting that despite causing all those deaths, the ship was refloated and set out again, despite already sinking once! ResMar 20:37, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Green Seamount

• ... that Green Seamount, an underwater volcano, could be as much as 260,000 years old?

Created by Resident Mario (talk). Self nom at 20:33, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed Cheslakee (steamship), directly above. ResMar 20:38, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

• I re-edited the hook; Green is not at its "maximum height", judging by its age it's been heavily worn down by erosion, so it's inaccurate to say "to reach its present height"—it was very likely much higher a long time ago! ResMar 15:35, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

• The source for the hook reads "The ages of the sulfide deposits provide constraints on the last volcanic and tectonic activity, and they also suggest that it took a maximum of 260,000 yr for the seamount to reach its present height." We need either a source to support the hook you wish to stay with, another hook, or:
• ALT1: ... that Green Seamount, an underwater volcano, could have taken up to 260,000 years to reach its present height? Rcej (Robert) – talk 08:46, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

• I'll take ALT1, what I had up there felt too short anyway =) ResMar 12:17, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

• Cool ;) Going with ALT1. Hook verified, article ready, prose at 2028 per DYKcheck. Rcej (Robert) – talk 06:41, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Suming

• ... that merging indigenous lyrics and electronic dance music, Taiwanese singer Suming evoked qualities of attractive "kapah" (young men) in his matrilineal Amis tribe (pictured)?

• ALT1:... that a song by Taiwanese singer Suming evokes qualities considered attractive in "kapah" (young men) within his matrilineal Amis tribe (pictured)?

Created by Puchku (talk). Self nom at 22:26, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

• He's hot! </frivolous> ARTICLE: Way WP:overlinked. Please see my edits, and I think Ohconfucius took an interest in this one linguistically. For my part, it was worth working on for anthropological reasons; hope you do more, but you could brush up on WP:MOS, WP:MOSNUM, and WP:MOSLINK. Date format corrected. Typos. I really don't like the Chinese script in running text, but OhC clearly thinks it's ok. HOOK: Well, I like the original better, but why not remove "kapah"?

  ALT2 ... that Taiwanese singer Suming (pictured) merged indigenous lyrics and electronic dance music to evoke specific qualities of attractive men in his Amis tribe, including fishing and cooking skills.

  It's a little over the limit, but possibly might get through the admins. What do you think? Tony (talk) 16:44, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

• Thanks for the edits, and the pointers to MOS. I'm also interested in the singer for mostly anthropological reasons, and the "alternative cultural activism".

  HOOK:I included "Kapah" because this is the name of the song, but I don't insist on including it.

  ALT2 is great! I'd love to use ALT2 if admins would make an exception for its exceeding the character limit.--Puchku (talk) 19:04, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

I've reworked it slightly. The article's emphasis is indeed unusual, which makes it interesting. Wordcount, dates and sourcing are all satisfactory. I also prefer ALT2. --Ohconfucius 02:17, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Agree with tick. Puchku, I boldly edited my ALT2, since it has to have "skills" or "abilities" at the end. Took out "young" and "matilineal", since neither is essential, I'm hoping. Tony (talk) 16:33, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Tony, I think I prefer your original version - leaving "young" and "matrilineal" in.

Why "young" - the name of the song is "Kapah", which literally means something beautiful and shiny, and also young men, whose traditional dress is the more decorative among all age groups. In A'tolan, men over 40 are no longer "Kapah". While Amis men in general are expected to have these skills, the song is not about "attractive men", but about the young men in the age organizations, who are shiny and beautiful, and the abilities they are proud to have. If the hook has to be a fact, I would say we should leave "young" in.

Why matrilineal - my understanding is that the hook tends to mention something more exotic. The paragraph in the article which the hook refers to mentions other qualities kapah should have. The ability to "cook" sounds less exotic without the context of Amis being a matrilineal society - hinting at a kind of gender roles reversal compared to western societies. However, since this hook is also exceeding character limits, I don't insist on keeping "matrilineal".

ALT3 ... that Taiwanese singer Suming (pictured) merged indigenous lyrics and electronic dance music to evoke specific qualities of attractive young men in his matrilineal Amis tribe, including fishing and cooking skills.

Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Puchku (talk • contribs) 17:35, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

2011 royal tour of Canada

• ... that the Duke of Cambridge's Personal Canadian Flag (pictured) was unveiled during the 2011 royal tour of Canada?

Created/expanded by Zanimum (talk). Self nom at 00:47, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Article does not say it will be unveiled during the tour.Jim Sweeney (talk) 16:10, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Whoops. Fixed, plus a note about its first appearance, in a cockpit window, as opposed to just a graphic as it was on the 29th. -- Zanimum (talk) 19:06, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

May I suggest that this nomination be included in Friday's Canada Day special holding area? -- Zanimum (talk) 00:47, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Good to go date length etc ok Jim Sweeney (talk) 20:22, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Thank you so much! Could anyone reading this message please consider including this in the Canada Day (July 1) DYK queues? Because this flag was only announced yesterday, there wasn't time to get this approved and into the holding area before then. If someone would be so kind to take mercy, and add it to one of the relevant queues, that would be amazing! -- Zanimum (talk) 20:48, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

• Hold on! The 2011 royal tour of Canada article (note updated capitalization of article name) is currently at AfD. - Dravecky (talk) 11:27, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

• This is already in Queue 4. Obviously whoever promoted it didn't remove it from here. When the hook was still in Prep 4, 2011 royal tour of Canada was put up for deletion, and I removed the link to the article, making the hook a single-nom so it could still make it for Canada day. If it remains in the queue, the nom must be removed from here. —Bruce1ee 11:53, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

• Since Duke of Cambridge's Personal Canadian Flag already made it to Queue 4, I am stripping the flag from this nomination to make it a nom solely for 2011 royal tour of Canada, pending AfD. If it survives AfD, then someone will need to review it (and probably propose an ALT hook). If it fails AfD, then this nom should be removed. OCNative (talk) 12:02, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 30

Botaniska trädgården (Uppsala)

• ... that the Botanical Garden in Uppsala, Sweden (orangery pictured) was built on land donated in 1787 by King Gustav III?

Created by Sharktopus (talk). Nominated by Drmies (talk) at 17:22, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

• I reviewed William van Wagoner, below. Drmies (talk) 20:58, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
• Length, date and refs look good. ​​​​​​​​Niagara ​​ 19:39, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

List of accolades received by The Young Victoria

• ... that costume designer Sandy Powell earned her third Academy Award for the 2009 film The Young Victoria?

Created by Ruby2010 (talk). Self nom at 23:48, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed Forest Shely Ruby2010 comment! 23:57, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Redstone Test Stand

• ... that the Redstone Test Stand (pictured) was built in Alabama by Wernher von Braun's rocketry team for just $25,000 out of concrete and salvaged materials?

5x expanded by Mattise135 (talk). Nominated by Dravecky (talk) at 10:37, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

• All criteria met, interesting article. Medvedenko (talk) 15:15, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Pabasa (ritual)

• ... that the Pabasa is a chanting marathon practiced during Holy Week in the Philippines?

Created/expanded by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nom at 04:14, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

• The article I reviewed, other than my own nomination, is Nehru Setu.- AnakngAraw (talk) 04:14, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

• All DYK criteria met. Interesting article. I've taken the liberty of tightening the (already short) hook. Hope that's OK. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 09:35, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

• Thanks. I am just providing ALT 1 below, wherein I added "(pictured)" in case it may pass with an image (above right). Without the image is fine with me, if that is the case also. - AnakngAraw (talk) 00:48, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

• ALT 1: ... that the Pabasa (pictured) is a chanting marathon practiced during Holy Week in the Philippines? - AnakngAraw (talk) 00:48, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Aparados da Serra National Park

• ... that the Aparados da Serra National Park has been created as one of the first national parks of Brazil to protect the Itaimbezinho canyon (pictured)?

• Reviewed: Liberty Place ()

5x expanded by Elekhh (talk). Self nom at 02:47, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

• The hook's claim isn't mentioned in the article. --Rosiestep (talk) 04:35, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

• I reworded the lead to better match the hook. --Elekhh (talk) 04:42, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

• Length (>5x), date, hook's ref verified. --Rosiestep (talk) 04:00, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Liberty Place

• ... that One Liberty Place broke a "gentlemen's agreement" not to build any building in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania taller than the statue of William Penn on City Hall?

• Reviewed: Redstone Test Stand ()

5x expanded by Medvedenko (talk). Self nom at 02:11, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

• Nice article and interesting hook. Corrected spelling to "gentlemen's" for consistency. I would also suggest removing the wikilink from "Pennsylvania" as not so relevant here. However, according to the new rules (see #5) you need to review another DYK. --Elekhh (talk) 02:34, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

• Thanks, all criteria met now. Regarding Alt1 below, I'm neutral. I think the original hook is consistent with the common language used in architecture. --Elekhh (talk) 09:27, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Something grammatically wrong with the hook, which suggest an inanimate object in itself is capable of reaching or breaching any sort of agreement. Suggest:

• ALT1... that the construction of One Liberty Place was in breach of a "gentlemen's agreement" not to build any building taller than the statue of William Penn on Philadelphia City Hall? --Ohconfucius 02:26, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Monarchism in Bavaria after 1918

• ... that, in 1933, when attempts were made to restore the monarchy in Bavaria to stall the Nazis' rise to power, Adolf Hitler warned the Bavarian government that this would lead to a "terrible catastrophe"?

Created by Calistemon (talk). Self nom at 00:31, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed: Torrs Pony-cap and Horns. Calistemon (talk) 00:40, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
• Foreign language reference accepted in good faith. Miyagawa (talk) 22:48, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Mitch Schock

• ... that Mitch Schock, who earned his first World Series of Poker bracelet at the 2011 World Series of Poker has finished in the money at least five times in each of the last three World Series of Poker?

• Reviewed: James O. Rodgers, George D. Stillman, Joseph R. Swan, George B. Chadwick, Charles D. Rafferty, Jack Owsley, William F. Knox, John Field, and Art Howe

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self nom at 23:47, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Let's hope Mitch decides to donate some money to Wikimedia after he makes the front page! SarahStierch (talk) 04:45, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Oliver Valentine

• ... that in a special episode of the UK medical drama Holby City, unqualified doctor Oliver Valentine was permitted to continue practising medicine illegally?

• Reviewed: Tropical Storm Debra (1978) ()

Created by Raintheone (talk), Frickative (talk). Self nom at 08:48, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

• HOOK: good interest factor. But please correct the spelling to UK: "practising". ARTICLE: can you choose – either spaced en dashes—or unspaced em dashes – not both? Some of the page ranges have - just a spaced hyphen. Please see WP:MOSDASH. I'm concerned about (1) the vid refs that aren't available in my geographical regions, so I can't verify them; (2) why minutes and seconds are not provided in the refs for these presumably quite long vid interviews; and (3) whether the text that is not within quotes is in fact paraphrasing what is said, not word for word. Please respond to query 3 in particular.Rule D2: One ref tag per paragraph is standard. Some of the ref tags are consecutively repeated, and could be rationed a bit. They can cast back in the text a fair way. Tony (talk) 16:12, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

• Thank you for the helpful comments! I've hopefully taken care of all the issues raised . (Practicing corrected to practising, consistent spaced en dashes, consecutively repeated refs removed.) Wrt the videos, I hope that WP:SOURCEACCESS means it's acceptable, if not ideal, that they're not available in all regions? They're both less than 2 minutes long, but I've added times, and have altered the content slightly for the main one to add quotes to the references, so you can see that the non-quoted text is indeed paraphrased. Frickative 19:09, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

• I'm not sure if you are aware of this rule, but there is one that says: If the subject is a work of fiction or a fictional character, the hook must involve the real world in some way. I can't see how this hook complies. Calistemon (talk) 15:11, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

• Oh dear, I wasn't aware of that rule, apologies! A couple of possible alternatives, then:

• ALT 1: ... that British actor James Anderson shadowed a Foundation Doctor on ward rounds in preparation for his Holby City role as doctor Oliver Valentine?

• ALT 2: ... that Holby City character Oliver Valentine has been described as "a doctor with the blue eyes of Fonda and the medical competence of fondue"? – Frickative 16:10, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

ALT2 looks better, even if a little corny. The article is better. Tentative . Tony (talk) 16:29, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Forest Shely

• ... that the Kentucky physician and Yale alumnus Forest Shely was for 56 years a trustee of the Baptist institution Campbellsville University?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 22:43, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed: Capnomancy

I'm not quite ready to give this one my full approval. Why does the Medical career section have a bolded paragraph for its heading? Is it a direct quote? Also, a few refs needs to be checked in relation to its punctuation (ref goes after period/comma, then a space follows it). Anyways, the date and length check out. AGF on the hook. Ruby2010 comment! 23:55, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Yes, the bolded sentence is a direct quote. Billy Hathorn (talk) 04:18, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Article looks good to go now. Ruby2010 comment! 20:37, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Capnomancy

• ... that capnomancy was still practiced in New England as late as 2003?

• Reviewed: The Ride to Conquer Cancer ()

5x expanded by All Hail The Muffin (talk). Self nom at 21:36, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

There seems to be more references here than actual written material. Can this be expanded? Billy Hathorn (talk) 22:45, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Tropical Storm Debra (1978)

• ... that Tropical Storm Debra developed from a cold low and a tropical wave?

Created by Hurricanefan25 (talk). Self nom at 19:32, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed Ben Lamb. Hurricanefan25 (talk) 19:35, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
• I need a DYK review ASAP, as I'm going on vacation on Saturday and won't have internet access. Hurricanefan25 (talk) 22:49, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

• - The claim in the hook checked out, took a little search but it's there.RaintheOne 23:10, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

• Thanks! Hurricanefan25 (talk) 23:16, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Not that it need slow up the move to prep, but I think this hook reads better without the word "both". --Demiurge1000 (talk) 23:32, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Done. Hurricanefan25 (talk) 23:39, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Pennywhistle modem

• ... that Lee Felsenstein designed the Pennywhistle modem to replace a commercial design used on Community Memory, the first bulletin board system?

Created by Maury Markowitz (talk). Self nom at 19:09, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed 195th (Airlanding) Field Ambulance, below.

SR Battle of Britain class 21C151 Winston Churchill

• ... that Winston Churchill's funeral train carried the headcode of a breakdown train?

Created by Iain Bell (talk). Self nom at 14:32, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

• Date, Length are good, AGF for offline source. --E♴(talk) 16:24, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

As a young train spotter in the 1960s, I remember seeing this loco in the Salisbury depot - I think I took some photos of it, but they are long since lost. I certainly remember the funeral train, and concur with what the hook says. Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 18:07, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Just chipping in to say I loved this hook and had to go read the article. I predict this will get a lot of hits! Sharktopus 21:44, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Me too (three?). Great work. Ed  22:12, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

• ARTICLE: Space em dashes should be unspaced (MoS). Are DYK article-links allowed to be section-links? It's a very odd reading experience to land in the middle of an article. HOOK: I didn't know what a headcode was; so the hook expresses an ironic situation? Maybe I'm being thick. Could be good. Sorry to be inconclusive. Tony (talk) 15:52, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

COMMENTS: 1. I have found a couple of online sources, including a contemporary account, and have added them as citations. 2. Spaced em-dashes have now been corrected. – Iain Bell (talk) 11:39, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Juan Cruz Mascia

• ... that 17 year old Uruguayan footballer Juan Cruz Mascia has been recognised as the heir to 2010 FIFA World Cup star Diego Forlán in the English and South American media?

Created by Deserter1 (talk). Self nom at 12:35, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

• Length, date and hook refs verified. —Bruce1ee 13:01, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 1

Louis Agassiz Shaw Junior

• ... that Louis Agassiz Shaw Junior, a member of an influential Boston Brahmin family, was co-inventor of the iron lung (pictured)?

• Reviewed: Jean Thurel ()

5x expanded by DiverDave (talk). Nominated by DiverDave (talk) at 20:35, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Jean Thurel

• ... that Jean Thurel was a soldier in the Régiment de Touraine for over ninety years?

• Comment: The article syas that he joined at age 16, was a member for 92 years, and died at 107; presumably this means that he was in for the year he was 16, the year he was 17, etc., which makes 92 years overall.

Created by UltimaRatio (talk). Nominated by Nyttend (talk) at 02:51, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

• Length and date OK, hook supported by inline citation, references check out. Interesting article! I have taken the liberty of adding an image. This will generate much more interest in the article. DiverDave (talk) 20:27, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

William Van Wagoner

• ... that bicycle racing champion William Van Wagoner (pictured) founded a namesake automobile manufacturing company?

Created by Nconwaymicelli (talk). Nominated by Nyttend (talk) at 01:27, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

• I started making some copyedits and will actually review after lunch. Drmies (talk) 17:29, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

• I have made a ton of copyedits and more need to be done. Also, the reference for the hook (ref. #3 in the current version) is incomplete--there may be something wrong in the template. The actual source has no online link so I can't check that right now; perhaps there is an online link that is lost in the template. But honestly, I don't want to copyedit anymore. Author should look at correct comma usage ("place, state" is always followed by a comma, and so are dates in the US format; I corrected a couple of incorrect "however" punctuations; many things are italicized that shouldn't be). A proper scrubbing, and a check for that reference, is required. Drmies (talk) 20:57, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Ellef Ringnes, Amund Ringnes (brewery owner, 1840)

• ... that the Norwegian brewery owners Ellef and Amund Ringnes (pictured) founded Ringnes brewery?

• ALT1:... that the Norwegian brewery owners Ellef and Amund Ringnes (pictured) have had two islands in Canada named after them?

Created by Eisfbnore (talk). Self nom at 21:21, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

• for ALT1. Length and date look ok. I prefer ALT1 because it's more interesting; it's not very surprising or unusual that brewery owners would have a brewery. rʨanaɢ (talk) 21:31, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Chris Moorman

• ... that of Chris Moorman's twelve World Series of Poker in the money finishes, three have been in US$10,000 Championship events and five have been in six-handed events?

• Reviewed: James O. Rodgers, George D. Stillman, Joseph R. Swan, George B. Chadwick, Charles D. Rafferty, Jack Owsley, William F. Knox, John Field, and Art Howe

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self nom at 20:53, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Martin Camaj

• ... that Martin Camaj's novel Rrathë is considered to be the first psychological novel in Albanian?

• Reviewed: A.Q. Miller School of Journalism and Mass Communications ()

Created by ZjarriRrethues (talk). Self nom at 20:04, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

John Rowan (Kentucky)

• ... that, according to tradition, Stephen Collins Foster was inspired to write the ballad My Old Kentucky Home after a visit to Federal Hill, the mansion of Kentucky Senator John Rowan (pictured)?

• Reviewed: Jonathan Audy-Marchessault ()

5x expanded by Acdixon (talk). Self nom at 16:37, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Battle of Breville

• ... that on 12 June 1944, during the Battle of Breville, friendly fire killed the commander of the attacking force and wounded two British brigadiers?

Self nom Jim Sweeney (talk) 15:26, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

reviewed Fighter pilot school Lipetsk below

Date, length, and hook are good. Minor cleanup is needed for grammar (I did some, but I think there's more), but it's not a serious enough issue to disqualify this or to postpone it. Nyttend (talk) 15:47, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Fighter-pilot school Lipetsk

• ... that Germany, prohibited by the Treaty of Versailles from having an airforce, operated the secret fighter-pilot school Lipetsk in the Soviet Union from 1926 to 1933?

Created by Calistemon (talk). Self nom at 15:08, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed: Henry Louis Larsen. Calistemon (talk) 15:22, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

date size ok German on line ref looks good. Jim Sweeney (talk) 15:31, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

• tweaked hook, removed 2 low value links. --Ohconfucius 16:39, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

National Churches Trust

• ... that since 2005 the National Churches Trust has distributed more than £9 million to over 1,000 churches in the UK?

• Reviewed: Pabasa (ritual)

5x expanded by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 09:40, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

• I suggest you add a note that this trust is located in England; as I read this from America, something seems not quite right. Maybe Misplaced Pages has no problem with this -- this is the first time I've been involved with DYK -- but it also sounds a bit free-PR to me. You might be able to say the same about my nomination today, but when it comes to donations and do-gooding... it's a little more sensitive. Nice work on the article, though.--Jp07 (talk) 11:10, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

• Added "in the UK" to the hook. I don't understand the comments about "free-PR" and "do-gooding". The article is about a registered charity, and I have tried to write a factual account of its history, functions and finance-raising activities. It is in no way an advertisement any more than comparable articles on other charities (for example, see Historic Chapels Trust). --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 11:00, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

• Well, understand that I come from a journalism background. Newspapers tend to avoid going out of their way to cover things that make notable people, i.e. politicians, or corporations/charities look good because the philosophy is that they ought to be paying for that recognition (i.e. in an advertisement) -- especially when this recognition comes on the front page of the newspaper (or in this case, Misplaced Pages). Recognizing the do-gooding of one person kind of requires you to recognize the good things that everyone else does, too, if you want to be fair, and that just kind of gets messy/impossible; failing to be fair leads to reader perceptions of bias. But like I said, that may not be something people worry about in this medium; I recognize that newspapers and Misplaced Pages are two different beasts. Not an accusation, just thoughts.--Jp07 (talk) 12:06, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

• Another thought: I'm not saying anything about this organization or its motives because I know nothing about it, but you find yourself feeling very guilty when it turns out that the motives of a charity are less than noble. This has happened to me before after writing a newspaper article about a charity. I later found out this charity had some questionable practices, and I felt like I assisted them in misleading people. So at least for newspapers, I feel like its best practice to avoid "free PR."--Jp07 (talk) 12:13, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Long Gone (film)

• ... that the 1987 baseball film Long Gone starring William Petersen, has been described as, "three parts Bull Durham, two parts Slap Shot, add a dose of Bingo Long and a pinch of The Longest Yard"?

Created by Spy007au (talk). Self nom at 06:51, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

• creation date, size, hook and sourcing all confirmed. Prose is acceptable, but hook is too long and too distracting with all those rival movie links.

propose:

• ALT1: ... that the 1987 baseball film Long Gone, starring William Petersen, has been described as "the best baseball movie most of you never saw"? --Ohconfucius 14:18, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

• Just my opinion, but I still prefer my original hook. But I'm happy to go with the flow and majority of view. Also, the picture has dropped off, but is still refered to in both hooks. Spy007au (talk) 23:23, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

The hook has "(pictured)" but where is the picture? And is the picture freely usable? - AnakngAraw (talk) 23:28, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

The article's only image is fair use, so it's unacceptable here. I've removed (pictured) from both hooks. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 06:46, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Mikhail Lakhitov

• ... that Mikhail Lakhitov started competing in international poker competitions in 2010 and by June 2011 was one of the top 20 poker players in the world?

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self nom at 05:19, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed: James O. Rodgers, George D. Stillman, Joseph R. Swan, George B. Chadwick, Charles D. Rafferty, Jack Owsley, William F. Knox, John Field, and Art Howe

OK.♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:09, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Robert Beauchamp

• ... that American painter Robert Beauchamp originally attended Cranbrook Academy of Art for the love of a girl and to make money by learning pottery?

• Reviewed: Mitch Schock

Created by SarahStierch (talk). Self nom at 04:47, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

• creation date, size, hook and sourcing all confirmed. Prose is acceptable. However, sections named 'Notable exhibitions' and 'Notable collections' seem out of place: whilst true that those galleries and collections in themselves are notable, there's something wrong with listing them in this way – there's no mention of the theme and dates of exhibitions, nor the works which are in these respective collections; no sources. Just remove these sections and we're good to go. --Ohconfucius 14:01, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

You'll have to remove those from the majority of the art history articles I have been writing since 2006! Never had anyone mention a problem until now. SarahStierch (talk) 14:50, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

"the majority of the art history articles I have been writing since 2006" are not being evaluated for DYK, this one is. --Ohconfucius 16:42, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Yep, have to agree with Ohconfucius on this. It's been an issue at FAC, I believe, some time ago. Perhaps now is the time to update in this respect, and you might revisit the others when you do routine audits from time to time (necessary after a few years, anyway). HOOK: Suggestion, why not finish on "girl"? Punchier, more catchy? Tony (talk) 16:48, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

A.Q. Miller School of Journalism and Mass Communications

• ... that, in 1874, Kansas State University's Department of Industrial Journalism began offering the first American program of study in printing?

Created by Jp07 (talk). Self nom at 10:31, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

• Good to go.--— ZjarriRrethues —  20:00, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

And the Land Lay Still

• ... that the critically acclaimed 2010 novel And the Land Lay Still by James Robertson won the prestigious Scottish Book of the Year Award?

Created by Deserter1 (talk). Self nom at 20:39, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Italicized the title of the novel (the topic here). - AnakngAraw (talk) 00:41, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

The hook checks out, though it's a little bland, but there's not much you can do with book hooks, really. The article sits at 2322 characters, so no issues there. The refs check out as well. We're good to go. Silverseren 06:06, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

The Warring States

• ... that The Warring States is a Chinese movie based on the historical Warring States Period from over 2000 years ago?

Created by EdwardZhao (talk). Self nom at 21:11, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 2

Red or Black?

• ... that Simon Cowell (pictured) conceived the idea for Red or Black?, the most expensive game show ever made?

Created by Miyagawa (talk). Self nom at 22:54, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed Monarchism in Bavaria after 1918. Miyagawa (talk) 23:02, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Svið

• ... that Svið (pictured), a traditional Icelandic dish, consists of a sheep's head that has been cut in half, singed and boiled with the brain removed?

Created by Schneelocke (talk). Nominated by Prioryman (talk) at 22:46, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed: Bushy-tailed olingo. Prioryman (talk) 22:48, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Bushy-tailed olingo

• ... that the bushy-tailed olingo (pictured) can produce a foul-smelling liquid from its anal scent glands when alarmed, despite being more closely related to a raccoon than a skunk?

• Reviewed: Micronecta scholtzi ()

5x expanded by Anaxial (talk). Self nom at 21:54, 2 July 2011 (UTC)