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:::I'm not sure I trust their promise to stop for a year, so I'll still watchlist those pages. I'll also do something on the Bull-dozer page to reference the SPI, there's a template for that I just need to find it. You take care too. --] (]) 17:08, 22 August 2013 (UTC) | :::I'm not sure I trust their promise to stop for a year, so I'll still watchlist those pages. I'll also do something on the Bull-dozer page to reference the SPI, there's a template for that I just need to find it. You take care too. --] (]) 17:08, 22 August 2013 (UTC) | ||
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Hearish?
I keep your wonderful award with the longest title on my talk! It names me "refreshingly pleasant and un-bitter", and I love it. Only: I watch myself losing it. It's (too?) easy to propose to ban the people with better arguments if you don't like the arguments. The Ban on Love, and dung instead of joy in the effort of awakening. I feel getting bitter over that, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:54, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
- Hi Gerda!
- I'm really sorry to hear that things are currently bitter for you here; it's hard to care about something and have it go in a direction you think is wrong, or be faulted for something when you don't feel you've done anything wrong, or see people you respect getting proposed for a ban. But I hope you'll do whatever it takes to not let it ruin your joy in what you do. It's harder for people who care to feel like they're losing an argument than it is for the kids here who are just playing a game of nomic or digital king of the hill; for you, it's important on more than just a win/lose level. I imagine the same is true for some of those who disagree with you.
- Decision making, at all levels, is dysfunctional here; it isn't ArbCom's fault, it's integral with the system we've developed, and it isn't going to change any time soon. We all, sooner or later, have to decide how we're going to react to participating in an imperfect (sometimes severely imperfect) system. My only advice is to find a better way to handle it than I do.
- My knee-jerk instinct tells me that anything that results in a topic ban for you must be wrong; but that instinct is primarily personality driven; I admire your attitude, and drive, and personality. A similar personality-driven instinct leads me to dislike the way Andy does things here, to a point where I probably stop paying attention to whether he is right or wrong. I don't really have any idea whether I admire your approach to infoboxes or not. I hesitate to say "I don't care" about something that you obvious do care about, but if I'm honest... I don't care too much about infoboxes at all, and haven't been paying attention to that case.
- All my best, Gerda. --Floquenbeam (talk) 14:36, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks for your time and thoughts. I was not clear, oh words or lack thereof. I don't get bitter at all because of myself. I get bitter because people seem to think that a ban would be a simple solution, some even think the only solution. They obviously don't see the problem. How can you solve a problem that you don't see? - I don't care about infoboxes at all, they are a good tool, no more. I care about people, they are precious and not to be lost. I met Andy here and had great pleasure creating something together, mutually so ;) - You can meet Andy in his self-portrait. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:19, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
- I really couldn't care less about infoboxes either Gerda, but the issue is more subtle than either having one or not. You may recall the discussion about partially collapsed infoboxes in articles such as Montacute House for instance, in which Pigsonthewing was a major impediment to progress. The bottom line though is that when an issue is taken to ArbCom someone has to be seen to be sanctioned in some way. Rather ironic that the Arbitration Committee actually doesn't ever arbitrate anything, simply hands down punishments. Eric Corbett 15:49, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
- Eric, it's the first case I am in a case, I think you summarized well what I observed, and I am not the only one to see that the proposed decision is not based on the evidence. I don't believe Teh Community needs such a thing, - almost the contrary, it seems a waste of everyone's time. What can we do? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:31, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
- Probably nothing individually. It's a common misconception that ArbCom considers evidence before coming to a decision, but in truth they simply choose the path of least resistance. Right or wrong has nothing to do with it. The outcome of any given case is usually quite easy to predict based on the arbitrators taking part in it. Eric Corbett 17:49, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
- I'm not wise enough to play Misplaced Pages pundit - people like (just picking two off the top of my head) MastCell and Iridescent still see things an order of magnitude more clearly than I do, and say things an order of magnitude more clearly as well. Nor do I watch many ArbCom cases. But my impression from those cases I do watch is that you're largely correct - AC has evolved to the point where their main job is to identify and punish the guilty, not to try to unknot an intractible dispute. That seems an odd way for the top rung in the dispute resolution process to work. To be fair, the few times I've seen them try, there's usually a loud chorus of "AC is overstepping their authority". Plus they don't really seem to have a knack for it. When dispute resolution is so messed up everywhere, it's probably unreasonable to expect the last step in the process to function well.
- They sometimes still surprise, though, Eric. For example, I was not expecting Ironholds' desysop. I'll have to go back and check what I said, but it's possible I have to eat a hat. --Floquenbeam (talk) 20:18, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
- That's it, you said you'd eat a hat! That's how it was! darwinbish ☠ 21:54, 19 August 2013 (UTC).
- Wait a sec... I was confused. Bishonen is the person who has to eat a hat. Although there's wiggle room in the phrasing if she wants to use it. --Floquenbeam (talk) 22:03, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
- You mean there's a barn door through which a giant pet lizard can saunter without even sucking in her gut, don't you? But never mind, I'm eating it. Turns out, as I suspected, it's actually a prinsesstårta, made out of sponge cake and covered with multicolored marzipan. That explains why it sits so high on the head. Have a slice. Bishonen | talk 09:49, 20 August 2013 (UTC).
- Wait a sec... I was confused. Bishonen is the person who has to eat a hat. Although there's wiggle room in the phrasing if she wants to use it. --Floquenbeam (talk) 22:03, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
- That's it, you said you'd eat a hat! That's how it was! darwinbish ☠ 21:54, 19 August 2013 (UTC).
- My attempt at arbitrating is so much simpler in this case, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:09, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
- Do you hear what I heard? "O sweet love" --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:06, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
- They sometimes still surprise, though, Eric. For example, I was not expecting Ironholds' desysop. I'll have to go back and check what I said, but it's possible I have to eat a hat. --Floquenbeam (talk) 20:18, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
No topic
Floq, I wouldn't go to any random person and ask for help, but you are already interested in my case to begin with, so I'm not asking for you to go out of your way. Please ask Bbb, Sandstein or EdJohnston if you can be appointed the new owner of my ban. I won't say Bbb is abusive or corrupt anymore (though he still is), but one thing that is undeniable is that he ignores my pings and won't answer my questions. This is the opposite of his duty as owner of my ban. You, on the other hand, show up to help without being asked to. I'd be in a month long block right now if it weren't for you. You basically own the ban right now; let's just make it official. TheShadowCrow (talk) 01:31, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
- I was really pretty clear about this on your talk page. I think your topic ban is now crystal clear, and requires no further clarification. You may think it's a horrible decision, but it's a clear decision. If you really think it is still unclear, ask ArbCom. I think "ownership" of someone's topic ban is a dumb concept, do not own your topic ban, don't want to own it, am not going to own it, and will refuse ownership if thrust upon me.
- And don't remove comments by other editors from my talk page. --Floquenbeam (talk) 14:04, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
big violation from a user
just wanted to let you know that there's a user who is constantly abusing his rollback privileges as seen here and here (and has edit warred for several edits on that article). He also has been removing talk page threads by other users as seen here (despite the fact they're made to improve the article). Could you may please stop this user at once? He's being highly disruptive. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.232.152.217 (talk) 22:37, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
- Gunmetal Angel, you kind of left out a big part of what's going on, didn't you? That seems a little dishonorable, doesn't it? I can't for the life of me understand why you would care about music genres so much that you would edit war and sock and get blocked in order to change them for 5 minutes before they are reverted back. You ought to reconsider whether this is the kind of thing that's healthy to get worked up over. --Floquenbeam (talk) 22:52, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
Redlink Investigation
I'm Lt. Liz from the Category Police and this is just a message to inform you of an ongoing investigation into the misuse of Misplaced Pages categories leading to unsightly redlinks on your User Page. We'll get back to you if further information is required. Liz 16:43, 20 August 2013 (UTC) </joke>
- Oh noes, they're closing in. Time to head off to Russia and request asylum. --Floquenbeam (talk) 16:45, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
- Because of the humor they provided to the investigators, we're going to offer you a suspended sentence on the condition that you ensure that any future additions are as funny if not more funny than the categories that are currently present. Investigation closed and your WP passport will be returned forthwith. ;-) Liz 17:06, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
- (suspicious at this sudden change of tune, and wondering if he is being subjected to "good cop, bad cop", F decides to play it straight. For now.) OK, I'll do my best. --Floquenbeam (talk) 17:16, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
- Did you check out my red cat, Category:Wikipedians who take the liberty to stay? The more the ban on love is progressing the more I doubt that I can hold it, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:26, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
- (suspicious at this sudden change of tune, and wondering if he is being subjected to "good cop, bad cop", F decides to play it straight. For now.) OK, I'll do my best. --Floquenbeam (talk) 17:16, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
- No need to flee to Russia just yet. Apparently they're satisfied if you just let them into your basement so that they can watch while you smash some of your own laptops it keeps them happy for a while. Weird... --Demiurge1000 (talk) 19:21, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
The Brownie of Humour
I've protected the page instead of playing whack-a-mole. Do you have something against Whack-a-Mole good sir? XD Aaanyway, a nice, humorous way to finish such a situation, it was getting pretty horrendous in the page history. I suspect other major Doctor Who articles will come under fire. And when they do we'll be ready.
Have a good one :3 MM (Report findings) 21:16, 20 August 2013 (UTC) |
Thanks MM, glad you liked that. --Floquenbeam (talk) 16:18, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
User:Bull-Doser
I'm a former Wikipedian who semi-retired on March 2013. With the exception of three isolated on April 1, 2013, I have not made any edits from March until today. But like many retired editors, I would regularly continue to use Misplaced Pages as a reader. After all, Misplaced Pages was part of my life for 7 years so it's perfectly normal that I continue to be curious about what's going on here. I was aware about everything that happened with Bull-Doser after my departure and I certainly saw your message of wisdom you left of his page Monday.
What you and everyone else here may not be aware is that Bull-Doser is now socking with a new account User:DroleDesHits that was created right after you protected his talk page.
Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet_investigations/Bull-Doser
I've broke out of my retirement today so that I could filled the SPI case. But I'm returning to retirement, but this time completely, and will exercise my will exerce my right to vanish either tonight or tomorrow. I have found so much happiness to no longer be part of this project and I wish to no longer be associated with Misplaced Pages. I have started a new career earlier this year (which was the main reason why I've quit WP in March) and no longer have time for Misplaced Pages. And as long as my account exist, I will always have a tendency to use it whenever I detect BD's sockpuppetry to fill SPI reports, when my goal is actually trying to stay away from Misplaced Pages. Thus the reason why I prefer to delete it rather than simply not using it. At the end of the day, if Bull-Doser wants to continue socking, there's nothing I can do about it.
There will probably be other sock-puppetry attempts by Bull-Doser in the future and I won't be around to see them and there probably won't be anyone to easily spot his sock-puppetry. Strikerforce is gone. Mr.Choppers is gone. Elen of the Roads is gone.
I suggest that you or other administrators regularly look what is happening on pages such as CKMF-FM, KLLY (to name a few) just to make sure that nothing suspicious is happening. Ideally, a checkuser may also want to perform a test once per week to look for sock drawers. Regards. Farine (talk) 09:35, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
- Hello, Farine. Thanks for getting in touch. I'm short of time right now, but later today I'll look at the SPI and block the sock if it is clearly him. I'll also look thru BD's contribs and watchlist some of the articles he seems to target.
- I'm glad you've been happier away from here (that sounds wrong, but hopefully you know what I mean: I'm glad you've found a way to be happier is what I'm trying to say). I've had to leave for a few months a couple of times, and it does feel nice to not deal with this place. If you return in the future, because you want to, that's great. If you're happier staying away, that's good too. Don't feel you need to look out for his socks if you don't want to; we'll muddle thru. --Floquenbeam (talk) 16:10, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
- Actually, that was blatantly obvious so I've blocked the account. I'll follow up at the SPI later. --Floquenbeam (talk) 16:18, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
- Well judging by this, it looks like Bull-Doser won't be engaged in another sock-puppetry activity until September 2014. He's probably honest although I would still hold some reservations about this.
- Well, I've served my purpose here which was to have the sock-puppet blocked. So I'm returning to my retirement, but I'm not going to have my account vanished yet. There will be a time when I can safely vanish and ask the Bureaucrats to erase this account. This just isn't the right moment yet. Not after what has just happened this week. I'm the only one here who knows Bull-Doser from A to Z.
- I personally still think it would have been better to have this incident documented on the talk page of Bull-Doser's main account, especially since this isn't the first SP activity this user has been engaged to. I'm sure this is an info that the new reviewing administrator or the community itself would like to know if/when Bull-Doser makes a new unblock quest in 2014. But it's really up to you. Take care. Farine (talk) 16:38, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
- I'm not sure I trust their promise to stop for a year, so I'll still watchlist those pages. I'll also do something on the Bull-dozer page to reference the SPI, there's a template for that I just need to find it. You take care too. --Floquenbeam (talk) 17:08, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
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Your handling of all of the Sysop bits revolving around the madness around Karen Gillan makes me glad we have you on the wiki. Good call on a month I'd say, I was worried it might be put down to a week by a passing Sysop. We're grateful for your help. MM (Report findings) 15:44, 24 August 2013 (UTC) |