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Hello, Peeta Singh, and Welcome to Misplaced Pages! Thank you for your contributions to this 💕. If you decide that you need help, check out Getting Help below, ask me on my talk page, or place {{Help me}} on your talk page and ask your question there. Please remember to sign your name on talk pages by using four tildes (~~~~) or by clicking if shown; this will automatically produce your username and the date. Also, please do your best to always fill in the edit summary field with your edits. Below are some useful links to facilitate your involvement. Yngvadottir – Yngvadottir (talk) 12:21, 15 October 2016 (UTC) Getting started A tutorial • Our five pillars • Getting mentored How to: Edit a page • Upload and use images • Create your first article Intuitive guide to Misplaced Pages • Article Creation Wizard Getting help Frequently asked questions • Tips Where to ask questions or make comments Request administrator attention Help desk: A Wiki Styled page to ask questions on Help directory: A comprehensive list-style help contents page Policies and guidelines Neutral point of view • No original research Verifiability • Reliable sources • Citing sources What Misplaced Pages is not • Biographies of living persons List of policies • Three-revert rule • Sock puppetry Copyrights • Policy for non-free content • Image use policy External links • Spam • Vandalism • List of guidelines Deletion policy • Conflict of interest • Notability The community Build consensus • Resolve disputes Assume good faith • Civility • Etiquette No personal attacks • No legal threats Community portal • Village pump Signpost • IRC channels • Mailing lists Writing articles Be bold in editing • Develop an article The perfect article • Simplified manual of style Stubs • Categories • Disambiguation Peer review • Featured content Miscellaneous User pages • Talk pages Awards a registered contributor can achieve and award Clean up: General • Spam • Vandalism Join a WikiProject • Translation Useful templates • Tools • User scripts

Yngvadottir (talk) 12:21, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

Hi Peeta Singh! I'm happy to see you have started off straight away expanding and otherwise improving articles. However, I recommend you look at our policies, especially those of neutrality and verifiability. Since we are a general encyclopedia—we aim to cover every subject, for every reader (in the case of this version of Misplaced Pages, every reader who wants to read in English)—we present the information as far as possible neutrally and with cited sources. Please consider the need for sources and for summarizing what they say neutrally. I've given you links above to those and otherf policies here, as well as to places to ask for information or help; as it says, you can also feel free to message me on my talk page. Yngvadottir (talk) 12:21, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

Peeta Singh, you are invited to the Teahouse!

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Speedy deletion nomination of Jathedars of Buddha Dal

Hello Peeta Singh,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Jathedars of Buddha Dal for deletion, because it's too short to identify the subject of the article.

If you feel that the article shouldn't be deleted and want more time to work on it, you can contest this deletion, but please don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions. 1900toni (talk) 15:36, 16 October 2016 (UTC)

October 2016

Hello, I'm GSS-1987. I noticed that you recently removed some content from Jathedar without adequately explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Misplaced Pages with an accurate edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry; the removed content has been restored. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. GSS (talk) 11:44, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

Your edits to Punjab, India and Punjab (region) etc were reverted because they were unsourced, unexplained and disruptive. You must provide verifiable, reliable sources that support your edits. Otherwise they will be reverted as original research. In particular, you must not in several articles change Punjab to Panjab or Khalistan or add the Sikh flag. Please first discuss any such proposed change on the talk page of the article and do not make the change without consensus. Apuldram (talk) 10:59, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

More advice. Please remember to sign your name on talk pages by using four tildes (~~~~). In some of your edits of Talk:Guru Nanak you omitted to do this. When your omission was corrected by SineBot, you deleted the correction and inserted a different name. This may identify you as a sockpuppet and get you blocked on Misplaced Pages (like you have been blocked on Wikimedia). You don't want that, so please remember to sign your name correctly. Apuldram (talk) 11:26, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

Additions to Shahid

Hi. I've reverted your additions to Shahid because they appeared to violate WP:SYNTH. The article is not about martyrdom in general, but about the term shahid. If it plays a significant role in Sikhism, this usage has to be explicitly supported by RSs. Thanks. Eperoton (talk) 15:59, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

P.S. If you have sources that discuss martyrdom in Sikhism but don't mention the term shahid, this material would be appropriate for Martyrdom in Sikhism and Martyr#Sikhism instead of Shahid. Eperoton (talk) 16:12, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

Copyvio caution: do not upload non-free images and insert them into wiki articles

@Peeta Singh: Welcome to wikipedia. Please do not upload Copyvio images and insert them into wikipedia articles, as you did in the Bhai Gurdas article here. You have already been blocked from wikimedia commons for persistent copyvio on images. Please review wiki's policies on copyright violations. If you need clarifications about wiki's copyvio policies, please contact WP:TEAHOUSE. Thank you, Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 16:43, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Gurdev Singh Kaunke

The article Gurdev Singh Kaunke has been proposed for deletion. The proposed deletion notice added to the article should explain why.

While all constructive contributions to Misplaced Pages are appreciated, content or articles may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{proposed deletion/dated}} notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing {{proposed deletion/dated}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. CAPTAIN RAJU 14:59, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Professor Darshan Singh

The article Professor Darshan Singh has been proposed for deletion because it appears to have no reliable references. Under Misplaced Pages policy, this biography of a living person will be deleted after seven days unless it has at least one reference to a reliable source that directly supports material in the article.

If you created the article, please don't be offended. Instead, consider improving the article. For help on inserting references, see Referencing for beginners, or ask at the help desk. Once you have provided at least one reliable source, you may remove the {{prod blp/dated}} tag. Please do not remove the tag unless the article is sourced. If you cannot provide such a source within seven days, the article may be deleted, but you can request that it be undeleted when you are ready to add one. GSS (talk) 15:37, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Partap Singh

Hello Peeta Singh,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Partap Singh for deletion, because the article doesn't clearly say why the subject is important enough to be included in an encyclopedia.

If you feel that the article shouldn't be deleted and want more time to work on it, you can contest this deletion, but please don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions. Dat Guy_Contribs 19:05, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

Gurdev Singh Kaunke

Hello there, I wanted to inform you that I have moved one of your article Gurdev Singh Kaunke to Draft:Gurdev Singh Kaunke because the article was not ready for mainspace. Please improve your article in draftspace and once you feel the article is ready please submit it for review by adding {{subst:submit}} on the top of your draft. If you need any help you can always ask me on my talk page. Thank you – If you reply here, please ping me by adding {{U|GSS-1987}} to your message, and signing it. GSS (talk) 05:03, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

Your question at the Help Desk

You have a response.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 21:08, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

November 2016

Hello, I'm MelbourneStar. I noticed that in this edit to Jathedar of Akal Takht, you removed content without adequately explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Misplaced Pages with an edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry, the removed content has been restored. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. —MelbourneStar☆ 04:02, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

Your edits to Bhai Gurdas‎ were reverted because they were unsourced and unexplained. You must provide verifiable, reliable sources that support your edits. Otherwise they will be reverted as original research. You were advised about the need for this in October.
.Also, please remember to fill in the Edit summary to inform other editors what you have done. Apuldram (talk) 12:27, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Partap Singh has been accepted

You are more than welcome to continue making quality contributions to Misplaced Pages. Note that because you are a logged-in user, you can create articles yourself, and don't have to post a request. However, you may continue submitting work to Articles for Creation if you prefer.

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• If you would like to help us improve this process, please consider leaving us some feedback.

Thank you for helping improve Misplaced Pages!

November 2016

Hello, I'm Utcursch. I noticed that you made a change to an article, Gurmukhi alphabet, but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so! If you need guidance on referencing, please see the referencing for beginners tutorial, or if you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. utcursch | talk 03:49, 12 November 2016 (UTC)

Also, Misplaced Pages is not a place to add your original research and pseudo-history, such as "Scytho-Punjabi". At least four other users have already requested not to add unsourced content. Please go through those messages, and familiarize yourself with Misplaced Pages policies and guidelines. utcursch | talk 04:05, 12 November 2016 (UTC)

You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you add unsourced material to Misplaced Pages, as you did at Indo-Scythians. utcursch | talk 04:12, 12 November 2016 (UTC)

This is your final warning, because you have already been given 5 notices requesting you not to add unsourced content. utcursch | talk 04:13, 12 November 2016 (UTC)

Once again, please take some time to read the numerous policies and guidelines that people have posted on your talk page above.

• This parameter is for "Official language in...". Punjabi is not an official language in Canada.
• See Misplaced Pages:Manual of Style/Biographies#Context - we do not emphasize religion / ethnicity in the lead, unless it's directly relevant to the article (e.g. for a religious leader).

Also, accusing others of having "hidden agenda to Indianize the article" will get you blocked for personal attacks. utcursch | talk 07:46, 12 November 2016 (UTC)

Dear utcursch, I'm not accusing anyone of anything, it is merely an observation and feeling. For me it's an personal attacks on me. For instance, even with proper referencing you made it your duty to remove the official status of the Punjabi language in Canada from the the Punjabi language article. Moreover, your probably finding ways to remove the Punjabis#Punjabi nationality section permanently too.

Misplaced Pages:Manual of Style/Biographies#Context, says "In most modern-day" how does this apply to (e.g. for a religious leaders) that lived when the region was not united as one big country? "Ethnicity, religion, or sexuality should generally not be in the lead unless it is relevant to the subject's notability." How can the religion be separated from a "religious" leader? What about if the persons fame is due to his/her ethnic and religious nation? Lets get more specific, what if a person refers to himself/herself as a Punjabi or Sikh in their work but on Misplaced Pages they're stated part of some other community. How is that in anyway correct?

Don't give me the threat of blocking my account; go ahead, shut me down. My question is how many of us will be blocked to dilute the content?

Peeta Singh (talk) 08:57, 12 November 2016 (UTC)

This is the source you provided to prove that Punjab has an "official status" in Canada. Even if we ignore the fact that it is not an acceptable source, the page does not even mention the word "official". It states that Punjabi-speaking MPs form the third largest linguistic group in the Canadian parliament after English and French speakers. This has nothing to do with an official status. Canada has only two official languages: English and French.

Regarding Misplaced Pages:Manual of Style/Biographies#Context, we're talking about your edits to the article Simran Kaur Mundi, not any religious leader or a historical figure who was born when Republic of India did not exist. The lead of our article on Kylie Minogue does not read "She is an English-Irish Judeo-Christian singer". It reads something like "She is an Australian singer". Same goes for Simran Kaur Mundi. If you do not like these conventions, please feel free to start a request for comment to request a change.

As for the your last sentence ("how many of us..."), I'm not sure what you mean by "us" (Sikh, Punjabi, or Australian). But let me point this out: Among the other users who have left you warnings about adding unsourced content in the past month, there is at least one Sikh, at least one Punjabi, and at least one Australian. No one here is persecuting you because of your ethnic, linguistic, religious or residential background. All of them have only gripe with you: you are adding false, unsourced information.

Misplaced Pages is not a battleground, or a platform to glorify your language, religion, or ethnicity. Contributing verifiable and neutral content to topics related to your language, religion and ethnicity is OK. Adding false claims ("Punjabi has an official status in Canada") or original research ("Scytho-Punjabi") is not OK. utcursch | talk 17:42, 12 November 2016 (UTC)

Firstly, I think these types of conflicts can be avoided if users converse in the talk section before removing content. Moreover, my agenda is not to glorify any language, religion, or ethnicity. Previously, I've added information that has been kept hidden from these articles. This is not glorifying but editing information that should be included. There are sources that imply that Punjabis which include the Jatts are of Scythian descend. . Maybe rather than using the term "Scytho-Punjabi", I should have used "Sikh-Scythians" as termed at sikharchives.com; however, it is not correct to disregard the relationship between the Punjabis and Scythians just because I used the term "Scytho-Punjabi". Here are links that link the Scythians to Punjabis , ,

Secondly rather than removing Canada from the "official status" section in the Punjabi language article, you should have implied that the source was not adequate. Here are sources that definitely have the words official and Punjabi:

In my last sentence ("how many of us..."), I was talking about "us" the editors of Misplaced Pages. If i'm not getting blocked, I suggest that your ("at least one Sikh, at least one Punjabi, and at least one Australian") colleagues have an conversation with me before deleting the content in the future. Peeta Singh (talk) 00:19, 13 November 2016 (UTC)

(tps) Regarding the first paragraph in your response, the protocol we follow is WP:BRD. The revert usually describes the rationale for revertion in the edit summary. If that doesn't satisfy you, the onus is on you to open a talk page discussion and convince the reverter as well as any other involved editors that you have valid verifiable content.

I am also a bit annoyed with your practice of giving random URL's as sources. While providing any sources is better than none, we are interested in reliable sources. You need to give full citations, including author, title, publisher, and date. And we expect that you would have done your homework by checking that they are reliable. If you continue providing spurious sources (web sites, blogs, op-eds. non-scholarly books etc.), eventually it will be considered disruptive. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 01:09, 13 November 2016 (UTC)

Let's not bite (WP:DNB) the newcomers, expressing our annoyance with their approach, or sitting on a high pedestal and "advising them to do their homework". To quote: "We must treat newcomers with kindness and patience. It is very unlikely for a newcomer to be completely familiar with Misplaced Pages's markup language and its myriad policies, guidelines, and community standards when they start editing". So let's not template the newcomers left right and center, including with scary looking ARBIPAs.

As for the source, I do not see what else the user could have provided in this case. Seems to me that the decision on having Punjabi as the 3rd "official" language in Canadian Parliament is quite recent, so we cannot expect scholarly citations for this. The news articles being provided clearly mention the "official" tag. So what's the cause of your annoyance ? Js82 (talk) 02:41, 13 November 2016 (UTC)

Js82 Thank you. Peeta Singh (talk) 03:07, 13 November 2016 (UTC)

Peeta Singh (and Js82), self-published blogs are not reliable sources (again, if you have not read that page, please do).

A blog post on indiatimes.com or storypick.com is not an acceptable source for Misplaced Pages articles. According to Government of Canada, there are only two official languages: English and French. If you still insist otherwise, please start a new thread at Talk:Canada, so that other users can participate in the discussion.

Similarly, Sikharchives.com is not an acceptable source. In peer-reviewed scholarly / academic sources, there is no such thing as "Sikh Scythians". The books linked by you do not mention this term either. They refer to the colonial-era speculative theory about Jats, Rajputs, Gurjars etc. being descended from Indo-Scythians. This theory was propagated by British writers like Cunningham, Tod etc. (as the linked books state), and is considered obsolete by several modern critics. It has been discussed on Misplaced Pages several times in the past (for example, see Talk:Jat people/Archive 5#Indo-Scythian Descent). If you want to restart that discussion, please start a new thread at Talk:Jat people.

Irrespective of whether that theory is obsolete or not, your claims that Punjabi is derived from "Scythian languages" or that Gurumukhi originates from "Scythian" script are just plain wrong. The Punjab region might have seen genetic inflow from Indo-Scythians, Indo-Greeks, Persians, Turks, Kushans and a hell lot of other groups. If we use the term "related" very loosely, we can link the different Punjabi tribes and castes to nearly all these groups. But, the Punjabi identity is primarily linguistic, and Punjabi is an Indo-Aryan language (unlike Scythian, which is an Indo-Iranian language). Again, if you insist on emphasizing this "Scythian" bit, please start a new thread on the respective article talk pages, so that other users can participate. utcursch | talk 03:51, 13 November 2016 (UTC)

utcursch, One could put forward a similar argument for Indo-Aryan. We go with the sources that exist, and there are sources suggesting that the Jatt people, therefore, some Punjabi people are the descendants of Scythians. Why is this being hidden from the public?

Regarding Gurmukhi script, being a person who can read and write Gurmukhi, Looking at the script from the Scythian languages article, I can roughly recognize the following Gurmukhi characters: ਨ, ਓ, ਮ, ਵੇ, ਸੇ, ਘ, ਨੀ, ਪ, ਰੇ, ਞ, ਝ, ਦ and many others.

I roughly recognized two characters from Ashoka pillar in the Brahmi script article: ਰ, ਹ and maybe a few others if they're flipped around

The only Gurmukhi characters I recognized in the Gupta script were: ਤ, ਮ, ਘ, ਸ

Now how can Gurmukhi originate from Brahmi script and Gupta script when most of the characters look similar to the Scythian script. Moreover it seems as the Brahmi script and Gupta script have been influenced by the Scythian script.

Also I would like to point out that there aren't any reliable sources or to be more specific any source in the article apart from the assumption that ("Gurmukhī is similar to Brahmi scripts").

Now this raises a big question, why are users of Indian origin deceiving the public?

Peeta Singh (talk) 06:09, 13 November 2016 (UTC)

ARBIPA sanctions alert

Please carefully read this information:

The Arbitration Committee has authorised discretionary sanctions to be used for pages regarding India, Pakistan, and Afghanistan, a topic which you have edited. The Committee's decision is here.

Template:Z33 Kautilya3 (talk) 10:13, 12 November 2016 (UTC)