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Disamb for constituency articles with same name

Prathipadu (Assembly constituency) is in East Godavari district while Prathipadu (SC) (Assembly constituency) is in Guntur district. How do we disamb them removing the (SC) part from the latter article? — DaxServer (talk) 13:41, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

Dont. Venkat TL (talk) 14:00, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

Based on this precedent from Gujarat and since it seems to be the only page in en-wiki with (SC) in title that's not a redirect, I'd prefer Prathipadu, East Godavari (AC) and Prathipadu, Guntur (AC). For arguments that it'd be 'making up a name', (1) aloofness of Indian bureaucrats leaves us no choice (2) that's how ECI refers to them in their docs - each appears under respective district's name anywhere they are mentioned (3) te-wiki has done the same. They also need to be Prattipadu, that's another issue though Hemantha (talk) 04:33, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

Hemantha's suggestion is acceptable to me. Venkat TL (talk) 09:05, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

In that case, do we put the district suffix or leave like the how Kalol, Gandhinagar (Vidhan Sabha constituency) did? — DaxServer (talk) 11:17, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

What is the difference between the two? As Hemantha said. "Place, District (Ac)" or "Place, District (VSc)" depending on what the the other constituencies of that state use, is acceptable to me. A final name Vsc vs Ac is being discussed for reaching a consensus at Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Indian politics#Constituency titles. You might want to participate there. Venkat TL (talk) 12:20, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

The second one: "Prathipadu, Guntur (Ac)" Guntur is both Guntur city and Guntur district while the first one is just East Godavari district. But upon further lookup, we don't disamb other articles with the district suffix, so that answers my question. Thanks for the notification, wasn't part of that WikiProject, lots of reading to do! — DaxServer (talk) 12:37, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

Yes, normally disambiguation is done by state names. In this case state is same, so district. Venkat TL (talk) 13:11, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

Could someone cleanup Template:Assembly constituencies of Andhra Pradesh as well. All constituency links should be to the new article titles. Also, not sure about keeping the (mostly redlinked) MLA links in the template. They aren't present in any other AC nav template. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 05:18, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

I've gone ahead and removed MLA names. Numbers also feel wrong, but I've left them. Could you clarify the 'new article tieles' sentence? What would be an example of wrong linking there? Hemantha (talk) 08:22, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

See the 'links to redirects' section in this -MPGuy2824 (talk) 09:00, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

I've changed them. I missed one, perhaps that can be corrected when the above disamb is done. Hemantha (talk) 13:42, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

Do we need the SC/ST info (and maybe numbering) in the template? — DaxServer (talk) 13:52, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

I'm not keen on numbers. I kept reservation info since karnataka template had it. Hemantha (talk) 14:18, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

Better oversight needed by this project

Hello, everyone, I'm starting this discussion to inform that there needs to be better oversight by members of this project. Here on the English Misplaced Pages, there are dozens and maybe even hundreds of India-related articles that don't meet basic notability requirements. Bear in my mind, I'm not blaming the project for anything, however, there does not seem to be any involvement of this project in upholding the basic policies here on Misplaced Pages. I myself have nominated several articles, particularly on educational institutions in India, for deletion through PROD or to an Afd. Each one that was deleted all had failed to meet the GNG requirements. Even editors who are not members of this project, but are based in India have been creating articles on any given subject without knowing the requirements and don't improve their creations. These articles remain as stubs and/or orphans and have an extremely small chance of being expanded based on the limited information that exists.

Another factor is editors making wholesale changes such as moving articles without proper discussions on the right space such as article talk pages or the various discussion spaces like, Afd, Tfd, Ffd, Cfd, requested moves, etc... Now, these editors are new and learning their way and we should encourage informing them on how things work when it comes to editing on Misplaced Pages. This is where I think the responsibility of the project comes in. I alone can not go through every India-related article. But we should try to come up with a way to minimize the significant mess of non-notable articles and wholesale changes made by these editors.

This topic also includes categories and templates created by such users and are found to duplicate either existing categories and templates, or don't meet the necessity of having a category and template created.

I'm looking to hear back on how we can improve this issue. Feel free to ping me in response. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 18:05, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

@WikiCleanerMan, on the particular issue of school AfDs, do note that till 2017, they were indeed notable per policy. Their continued existence after that RfC can be questioned; but if you look at school delsort, that isn't unique to India. There are a lot of schools here so a lot of articles were created, but after policy change, they are being deleted.

I get your larger point, but instead of it being specific to this project, that kind of behavior is an outcome of how wikipedia is setup and has been observed site-wide since long ago. Quoting #20 from this list of observations on WP behavior, All the important articles are written already and so newer users will create pages on non-notable schools, films, actors and/or engage in conflict. Moreover, wikipedia disproportionately attracts passionate people, not experts, so notability grey areas are repeatedly tested. You can see this happen elsewhere too, NFOOT requirements were small enough that one in every six bio was a footballer's, but the RfC for stricter rules was blocked. Thousands more stubs were added semi-automatically from databases. The latest RfC isn't looking any better. Hemantha (talk) 17:38, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:WikiProject India has 232,703 articles, including 101,810 low importance stubs. Your statement that "there are dozens and maybe even hundreds of India-related articles that don't meet basic notability requirements" is probably a huge understatement. Compared to other subject areas, this one has a considerable excess of enthusiastic creators of low quality articles, and a small and very over-worked group of experienced editors ready to devote large amounts of time to clean-up efforts. Finger-wagging doesn't help; getting involved in the work does. Johnbod (talk) 17:49, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

I'm not finger-waging, rather there needs to be better oversight in cooperation with this project. But as far as this project is concerned, I've only noticed this issue regarding India-related topics. There is a reason why I'm bringing this up here on the project's talk page. I've recently written an essay that talks about this, Not everything needs a template. And the number Johnbod provided emphasizes the issue. We have to come up with a way to sift through the articles, categories, and templates. I've started a subpage to map out all template categories and is in part to root this issue, but more about the broader issue of template creation. A category subpage to map non-template categories has yet to be created. Perhaps as part of the project, we should probably create an initiative to deal with this issue. And try to better inform new users from India who I have noticed creating these pages with very little effort made to improve them along the way. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 20:44, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

• Money is the solution The Wikimedia Foundation has a budget of more than US$1 billion for every five years. When they do fundraising, they do it in the name of lower and middle income countries, with India being prominent in their fundraising. India is 1/6 of the world's population and since Wikimedia is global, I think South Asia should be getting about 1/6 of the money raised. Instead I think that Indian editors get about US$30k a year, plus some extra money that the WMF gives to community groups in India who do not engage in Misplaced Pages community forums such as this one we are on now. If more money went to India, at least as much as went to other countries, then I think that content about India would be much more organized.

For various reasons there has been a lot of infighting in India about WMF money. At meta:Community Resources/Grants Strategy Relaunch 2020-2021/Regional Committees the WMF promised that there would be a South Asian funding committee in August 2021, but I do not think that WMF actually started one. Also the WMF disestablished the meta:Wikimedia India chapter in 2019 promising to provide funding through other channels, but it never happened.

It is really hard to organize community with no resources. If money were scarce then I would understand. If WMF was transparent about where the money goes then maybe I would understand better, but so far as I know, they do not now and have never shared financial history of their funding to South Asia. Whatever happens, I think there will be no progress until some money for community organization goes to community groups in India. This is not just an English Misplaced Pages problem; this is a problem for Indian collaborations in all languages and for Wikimedia Commons, Wikidata, and the rest. Blue Rasberry (talk) 22:40, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

User:Bluerasberry, this relates to the topic how exactly? I'm not sure about its relevance. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 17:19, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

@WikiCleanerMan: The problem is not lack of administration or process, but that for WikiProject India we do not have enough people from India who are able to participate. The bottleneck is in recruiting wiki editors, and India has proportionally fewer wiki editors as compared to almost any other project. Specific external forces put Indian editors at a disadvantage which does not exist for other topics. No amount of strategic planning or reallocation of the current labor pool will make up for the editor deficit which exists specifically for topics related to India. Changes which work and fix problems for other topics in Misplaced Pages will not work for India, because the editor landscape is so different and unusual here. Blue Rasberry (talk) 17:31, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

Now I see. But even with that fact, I think it's best to gather a bunch of editors who are or aren't members of this project, myself included, to try to clamp down on non-notable subjects and other unnecessary mainspace creations. The project can be better organized and maintained without having to deal with more of this in the future. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:40, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

Has it been covered?

Gender based hate by Cyberstalking seems again in the news in South Asia. Has it been covered in any specific article or still to be covered?

Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' (talk) 13:47, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

Some detail was added by Xscontrib in Violence against Muslims in India. There was also the news about fake Harvard offers to women journalists, not sure where that would go. --RegentsPark (comment) 15:10, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

@RegentsPark Employment scam? Venkat TL (talk) 15:16, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

Trakhan Dynasty

  You are invited to join the discussion about whether an (alleged) premodern dynasty of Gilgit deserves an individual page. Thanks, TrangaBellam (talk) 12:30, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

New India, Alternate realities

The Bhakti movement heralded the freedom struggle in India. During the Bhakti Yuga, the saints and mahants of this country, from every part of the country whether it is Swami Vivekananda, Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, Ramana Maharishi, were concerned about its spiritual consciousness. It served as the precursor to the revolt of 1857.

Once again in the Amrit Kaal , the spiritual consciousness is awakening in the country. This spiritual consciousness is working to become the foundation for the reconstruction of the nation.
— "Amrit Yatra of Golden India" (p. 19) in New India Samachar, Volume 2, Issue 13. January 1 2022. Press Information Bureau: Government of India

Srinath Raghavan's tweet caught my attention. TrangaBellam (talk) 08:37, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

Certainly you have keen eye to find out a sleeping editor of a Government Publication. Those who did not born before 1857 can not influence 1857.

Just as a fun I tried to search how much we can stretch our imagination to link them to Mahatma Gandhi. Misplaced Pages page says Ramakrishna had visited home of Chaitanya Mahaprabhu. So one can stretch imagination for is Swami Vivekananda, Chaitanya Mahaprabhu to have influenced M.K. Gandhi. After all Gandhi too was a vaishnivite. :) You will need to need to find some south Indian political links to stretch imagination to Ramana Maharishi to M.K. Gandhi probably some one may be able to stretch that but how will you stretch back into time to 1857? May be they are referring to some different calendar.

Ramakrishna Mission > Swami Anand > Mahatma Gandhi

Ramakrishna > Keshub Chandra Sen > Mahadev Govind Ranade > Gopal Krishna Gokhale > Mahatma Gandhi

• Update on Ramana Maharishi

According to these Quora replies Rajagopalachari had not allowed M.K. Gandhi to meet Ramana Maharishi but Sarvepalli Radhakrishnan seems to have visited both of them and M.K.Gandhi's vehicle had passed from doors of Ramana Maharishi. ;)

Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' (talk) 17:19, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

Pongal (festival)

Could someone take a look at this article? A bunch of IPs are switching between Tamil festival and Hindu festival. Though I've semi-protected it, I'm not sure which one is correct. Thanks. --RegentsPark (comment) 13:28, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

"Elections"

In standard English (as far as I know), the voting for candidates to a legislature is called an "election". In India, it is referred to as "elections" (plural), while the voting for each constituency might be called an "election".

Does our "Indian English" usage allow the plural version? -- Kautilya3 (talk) 14:06, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Merge Requests

  You are invited to join the discussion about whether individual rulers of Turk Shahis and Nezak Huns deserve individual pages. Relevant links are:

• Discussion on Ghar Ilchi
• Discussion on Bo Fuzhun
• Discussion on Tegin Shah
• Discussion on Barha Tegin

Thanks, TrangaBellam (talk) 16:58, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

Project Opinion on Individual Pages about Ancient rulers

Is the very fact of being a ruler—whose existence can be verified—inherently deserving of a standalone page in itself? For all of the above cases we barely know anything of significance apart from one or two factoids sourced to one or ancient sources. Can WP:DUP#2 be allowed to be violated for such cases by having the same information (in toto) on pages about the ruler as well as the dynasty? Opinions are welcome. TrangaBellam (talk) 16:58, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

WP:PAGEDECIDE is the guideline.

Sometimes, understanding is best achieved by presenting the material on a dedicated standalone page, but it is not required that we do so. There are other times when it is better to cover notable topics, that clearly should be included in Misplaced Pages, as part of a larger page about a broader topic, with more context. A decision to cover a notable topic only as part of a broader page does not in any way disparage the importance of the topic. Editorial judgment goes into each decision about whether or not to create a separate page, but the decision should always be based upon specific considerations about how to make the topic understandable, and not merely upon personal likes or dislikes.

One of my gripes, which I should do something about, is that Wikidata doesn't understand this. (It doesn't allow multiple topics sharing the same Wikipage.)

But, other than that, there is absolutely no reason to have individual pages for rulers or other individuals, dynasties, kingdoms, events etc. etc. I was just thinking yesterday that we should start a clean-up drive when I noticed that every individual mentioned in Umayyad campaigns in India now has a standalone page, basically based on the content from that page. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 17:29, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

I agree with you (except for WD, which I am not conversant with). I emphasized on these very lines at this discussion but was told that it was customary to create page for notable rulers on Misplaced Pages.

I can join in the drive—why do people write stubs like Agguka I?—but there are hardly any eyes in these areas. A single revert by some obstinate editor is effectively a veto. TrangaBellam (talk) 17:53, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

In this case, obviously, it is to claim, "we won". -- Kautilya3 (talk) 18:25, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

Zamindar - clean up

Zamindar was vandalised. Could someone aware of the topic do some verifications and clean up? Thanks! — DaxServer (talk) 09:37, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

RSN discussion on Srivastava Group

There is an ongoing proposal on the reliable sources noticeboard regarding the blacklisting of websites of the Srivastava Group. If you are interested, please participate at WP:RSN § RfC: Srivastava Group. Tayi Arajakate _Talk 02:54, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

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