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Re-add Zeebo

I am going to re-add the games console, as for some reason or another, it has been removed. mcjakeqcool Mcjakeqcool (talk) 16:28, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

It was repeatedly removed because up until May 25th it was an unreleased console. These templates are only for released consoles actually competing on the market. --Marty Goldberg (talk) 18:46, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
Ok then. But it'll be staying permintly from now on, as it is a releaced console. mcjakeqcool Mcjakeqcool (talk) 15:06, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
Zeebo is not offically a 7th gen console leave it off the template. ~~GuineaPigWarrior (talk) 12:30, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
No. You will refrain from including Zeebo in the template, user Mcjakeqcool. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.28.152.244 (talk) 19:05, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
And you will refrain from giving directives. We don't go by the whims of an anonymous IP giving directives with an attitude that violates WP:CIVIL, based on personal opinion rather than WP:Consensus here. The current consensus here is 7th generation, and that its included. --Marty Goldberg (talk)
I think I'll just keep removing it, thanks. Nobody even knows what the hell a Zeebo is. It is a highly insignificant console. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.28.152.244 (talk) 05:39, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
Zeebo is inferior device. No games, spics only, South American Destination. Does not belong with the likes of 360, Wii and PS3. Has less games than the PS3, literally. It should not even exist. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.19.245.214 (talk) 05:47, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
Zeebo sucks cock, does it real mexican. Zeebo will not work with our advanced internets why don't we just leave them in south amelica whele they berong!!!
DOWN WITH ZEEBO! DOWN WITH ZEEBO! DOWN WITH ZEEBO! Mr. Briney: ROAAAAARRR ZEEBO! Okay, srsly, ffs, keep the gd zeebo off 7th gen console list thingy. That is all. (A) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.24.202.197 (talk) 05:51, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
2 things: 1, it is a Seventh generation console, and 2, to you really all need to squable? P.S It is a console so therefore it should be listed, we had this debate about a month ago, and it came out in my favor (dunno how) but it did, therefore it should be listed, it has been releaced, it is Seventh generation, and also user 98.24.202.197, you're personal grudges against the Zeebo do not count on wikipedia. mcjakeqcool Mcjakeqcool (talk) 16:35, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
Zeebo is a second-rate console that is not at the same echelons as PS3, Wii and Xbox 360. I don't have a 'personal grudge' against Zeebo. In fact, the whole fact that it is there is a result of YOUR OWN opinion. You really should also learn to spell before trying to contribute a legitimate argument. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.28.152.244 (talk) 03:09, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
211.28.152.244 It's not you that has a personal grudge against the Zeebo, it's 98.24.202.197. mcjakecool Mcjakeqcool (talk) 16:08, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

It really doesn't matter. It's staying off the template. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.28.152.244 (talk) 06:02, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

And with that kind of talk and continued vandalism warnings, you will wind up with your IP banned. --Marty Goldberg (talk) 18:46, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
I.. really don't care, sorry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.28.152.244 (talk) 00:30, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Okay, guys, let's get one thing clear: No single user has the right to say "Yes, it goes on the template" or "No, it stays off the template". The IP users who are saying that Zeebo must absolutely stay off the template are not operating within the bounds of good faith or consensus policy, and they have not given any reason based on factual information (opinions only) as to why it should be excluded. That's not how it works here, and further disruption WILL result in blocks (range blocks if necessary). Either play by the rules and discuss this matter CIVILLY, or go the heck away. — KieferSkunk (talk) — 19:56, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Why not split the template to two sections. "Mainstream" contains the 360, Wii and PS3, while another additional column "Others" to contain Zeebo and/or other "controversial and lesser known" consoles? Owl order (talk) 16:17, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Because unfortunately that puts us in a position of making a judgment call on what is "controversial and lesser-known", especially in light of the possibility that Zeebo could be a bigger thing in Brazil than any of the so-called "mainstream" consoles. 360 and PS3 might be mainstream in the United States, but this wiki needs to cover such topics from a worldwide standpoint, and without judgment or bias. (It's up to the sources we cite to provide any biases - a point I've been trying to get through to Guinea Pig Warrior and the anonymous editors above for months now.) — KieferSkunk (talk) — 17:40, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Zeebo - Seventh-generation console or not?

Let's try to get some real discussion going on about the Zeebo and whether or not it belongs in this template. In order for this discussion to succeed, everyone needs to keep the following rules in mind:

  • Reasons like "I don't like it", "It sucks" and "It's only for people in Brazil" are not valid reasons for excluding content on Misplaced Pages.
  • Discussion must remain civil and be free of personal attacks.
  • Do not push your agenda or personal opinions on other users. Misplaced Pages content is based on published third-party information in reliable sources, not on what you think should or should not be included.

Now, the question is: Is Zeebo a seventh-generation game console or not? According to all of the information on the Zeebo article, it qualifies as such because it is based on current-generation hardware, and more importantly, it was created and released during the 7th-generation console period. If you disagree with this, please feel free to reply with your reasoning. Comments like "It sucks" and "It should burn in Hell" will be struck through to indicate that they are not valid to the discussion.

Thank you. — KieferSkunk (talk) — 19:09, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Going through press coverage such as Joystiq, Endgadget, Cnet, every indication is towards it being meant to compete in the current generation. Cnet even goes as far as to label it "a fourth console of this generation, Zeebo". Wired calls it a "4th console". ZDnet also has an article on the "Zeebo - the fourth game console?" which discusses its possiblities of competition in the current market with the three others on the market - again, at no time considering anything than the current market or generation. I think the confusion is arising because its not meant to go toe to toe hardware/powerhorse wise with the others, but instead compete in 3rd world markets where the budget is more important. That also includes (according to the interview), leveraging the Zeebo's modern hardware and UI for customization for specific markets, etc. --Marty Goldberg (talk) 19:33, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
And according to the accepted definition of console generations, a console is not considered a part of a particular generation based solely on its hardware specs. Arguing that the Zeebo doesn't qualify as a 7th-gen console because it can't and doesn't attempt to compete with the 360 or PS3 would also necessitate asking whether the Wii qualifies, since it also isn't anywhere near those consoles in terms of power. (Actually, looking at the specs, the Zeebo appears to be somewhat comparable to the Wii in terms of hardware horsepower, though its market is obviously different.)
The point being that the general time period and market in which the console is produced and released generally has more to do with the console's "generation" designation than its hardware makeup. — KieferSkunk (talk) — 20:05, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
Yes, my thoughts as well. --Marty Goldberg (talk) 20:57, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

I think we can all agree with it being released during the seventh generation, but I believe it's futile to list it alongside the Wii, Xbox 360 and PS3 for now, if only for the sake of consistency: on the "History of video game consoles (seventh generation)" page it also isn't listed next to the bigger consoles in the "Home consoles" section, but rather in "Other systems" with the likes of the Vii, Hyperscan and Evo, so let's leave it there. If it actually turns out to be a successful, revolutionary or otherwise popular console, I believe it and it's successors have every right to be mentioned as one of the big consoles in their respective generations, but as of now it still hasn't proven itself.

If anything, it might be useful to include the handhelds in this template. --Kaiser Mat (talk) 27 August 2009 —Preceding undated comment added 23:10, 26 August 2009 (UTC).

I wouldn't be opposed to expanding the template to include two rows, one for "Main" and one for "Other" that reflects the 7th gen page. --Marty Goldberg (talk) 23:15, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Look it was created in the 7th generation era but its not really a main 7th gen console. There has been alot of fights over it being on this templete I think it should just be removed. --GuineaPigWarrior (talk) 12:45, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Once again, personal opinion has no place here, as was clearly defined above and as you have been explained. At this point it's beginning to constitute vandalism. --Marty Goldberg (talk) 07:32, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
GPW: Your stated opinion is that Zeebo isn't 7th Generation. You have not once provided a reliable source that backs up your opinion, whereas Marty has provided a LOT of sources that back up the assertion that it IS 7th-generation. This is the last time I'll say this: Either give us at least one good, reliable source that clearly defines this console as something other than 7th-gen (and is not just an opinion piece), or stop pushing your agenda. If you keep edit-warring on this, you will be blocked. — KieferSkunk (talk) — 18:20, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
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