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Please see Image talk:Persians.jpg and Talk:Persian_people#Better_Pictures on why you are wrong. --Khoikhoi 04:24, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

He's 3/4 ethnic Persian. Why does he have to be 100%? --Khoikhoi 06:03, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Please see the reply to your comment at Talk:Persian people. --Khoikhoi 07:25, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Actually, wikipedia probably copied the figures from Joshua Project. What's interesting about these Christian groups is that they go through great pains to find these people they want to proselytize to and they divide the Persians of the Dari and Tajik variety and the Persians of Iran. the other evidence is listed in the Universal Almanac which also states various stats on Persians in other countries, most notably in the Arabian peninsula. Stats on Iranians in Turkey vary from as high as 2 million to as low as 50,000: http://www.country-studies.com/turkey/population.html

The reality is that there are a ton of sources on Persian speakers from Iran and after some consideration and you bringing it up, the statistics seem to vary quite a bit. Here's another source I found: http://www.persianwo.org/Disporia.htm

And you may note that it lists most of the countries listed on the Persians page as well. Also, the stats may need to change as many of the immigrants to Turkey may also be Kurdish Iranians and not necessarily Persians. I think we do need to keep all of the countries listed, but perhaps the figures can and should be altered as the numbers seem to vary. Tombseye 07:46, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Hi ManiF. Please see Talk:Persians#Absurd_comments_about_Khomeini. --Khoikhoi 08:51, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

I don't care if Khomeini is Persian, he is not neutral. I think that person is anti-Kurdish because Khomeini declared jihad against Kurds, he hated Kurds because we are Sunni, he cut us out of the revolution, and he is not good example of Persians. I thought Rumi was better as perfect example of Persians but he says Rumi is also on Tajiks page. Kordestan 07:57, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Khomeini

This is getting pretty old. You do realize that you are not helping your case by constantly attacking Khomeini as being "mixed" and so forth? That's not a good justification because Khomeini was, in fact, Persian and though that is hard to accept, it will not help things. If you want his picture out of there, you're going to have to communicate properly, by sticking to a logical argument - not lashing out with these outlandish ideas and supporting the idea that Persians are "mixed." That sort of argument indirectly is an attack upon Iranians, so I hope you will see the error of your argument and communicate in a reasonable fashion. SouthernComfort 08:17, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Aghajan, behbeen, vaghan vakhti rahjebeh Khomeini intoree harfmehzanee, zehsteh. Beh Khoda. Vaghan daree mehgee keh mellateh Iran khar hastan keh yeh kharehjee kadan rahbar. It's not good. Mellateh Iran keh inghad sadeh neestan. Beh Khoda. I don't like Khomeini either, but there is no point in attacking his character in that fashion. Anyway, it would be ideal if we could have such a range of figures, since we have such a diversity of peoples that it would be good, but I'm not sure if that is acceptable since every other peoples article only has four except for the Tatar one. I've suggested to Khoikhoi that we just put Rudi Bakhtiar instead of having three men and one woman. What do you think? SouthernComfort 08:33, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

I don't really like the 40-picture idea. How about having someone politically famous that most people know about? --Khoikhoi 08:38, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

About the census numbers, I don't know how reliable they are because I'm not familiar with the source, but why is it hard to believe that there are 99,000 Persians in Afghanistan? The usage of "Persian" is not equivalent to "Iranian" in the context used here, since one can be Iranian without being Persian. Because I know for a fact that there is a sizeable Persian community in places like Bahrain, which used to be part of Iran until recently. SouthernComfort 09:15, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

And why Mossadegh? At least put the Shah or Reza Pahlavi or even Farah, who are far more recognizable. I don't know if someone would have a problem with them, but I'd rather have them than Mossadegh who is virtually unknown to most Westerners today. SouthernComfort 09:19, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Well, it does seem strange that there would be a significant Persian (non-Tajik) minority in Afghanistan. Joshua Project appears to be a Christian missionary organization so I'm not sure about it's reliability.

About Shirin Ebadi, she is technically Azeri, and I don't think she is half-Persian. Aghdashloo is also Azeri. I'd like to have at least one modern person represented who is at the very least full-blooded Persian. The article is supposed to be about Persians, not Iranians in general. SouthernComfort 10:11, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

After much hassle with this image editor I've got a new image up with the Shah. He's Persian of Mazandarani descent and whether anyone likes him or not, he's Persian. ;) SouthernComfort 10:28, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Are you sure? That's what I keep hearing, and I've read it in a number of articles. Why would anyone spread that kind of false information? It can't be because of anti-Azeri sentiment because they are just ordinary people. Anyway, if anyone has a problem with Mohammad Reza Pahlavi that's very unfortunate because we will never be able to please everyone. I would have rather had eight images, but Khoikhoi is right - only Tatars have more than four images. See Germans and Russians for example. I think the Persians images reflect better than those. SouthernComfort 11:09, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Though look at this: Well, actually I agree it is not the point to include the most famous, or infamous persons. Rather the more positive people who made great achievements during history. from Talk:Russians. There are probably far better examples than the Shah, but there are just too many people who have had such an impact that it would be difficult to pick just the right one. SouthernComfort 11:13, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism

Hello. Before making potentially controversial edits, it is recommended that you discuss them first on the article's talk page. Otherwise, people might consider your edits to be vandalism. Thank you. Aucaman 15:39, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

I don't see your name anywhere in the article's talk page. The merger is being discussed here. If you don't agree with it you're supposed to vote a Speedy Keep, not take out the tag. Aucaman 15:48, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

The proposal is riduclous and politically motivated as the citizens of the modern Iran are not one and the same as Iranian or Iranic peoples. You and your Kurdish brigade need to stop vandalizing the Iran-related articles. --ManiF 15:55, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

In the future, try to use the discussion page first. I've explained my edits so there shouldn't be a problem now. Aucaman 16:15, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Again

Regarding your edit here. You have no right to take out dispute tags put in by other users unless the dispute has been resolved. Please stop. If you continue to vandalize pages, you will be blocked from editing Misplaced Pages. Aucaman 00:39, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Last warning

Regarding your edit here. You're not supposed to remove other people's dispute tags without consensus or agreement. See Misplaced Pages:Vandalism.

This is your last warning. The next time you vandalize a page, you will be blocked from editing Misplaced Pages. Aucaman 02:09, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Image in Persian people

Do not restore the collage image to Persian people, the image contains copyrighted works. We can make no claim of fair use because the work is merely decorative and not transformative. Such uses are forbidden on wikipedia, please see WP:FUC and Misplaced Pages:Fair use. If you continue to re-add this image you will be blocked from editing in order to prevent you from doing so. --Gmaxwell 17:02, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Heja Helweda, Diyako, Aucaman

Heja and Diyako - yes they believe that the "Iranian peoples" term doesn't exist. But Aucaman, I believe is just trying to help the situation. We should give all 3 an equal chance however, and I believe if we act civil then perhaps we'll be able to come to a resolution. --Khoikhoi 18:25, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Personal attacks

Regarding your edit here. Personal attacks are against Misplaced Pages policies and can result in action. See WP:NPA. Aucaman 00:52, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Again

Regarding your edit here. Accusing other users of vandalism without proper reasoning is considered a personal attack. See WP:Vandalism for what constitutes vandalism. Please stop the personal attacks. You could be reported if you continue. Aucaman 02:54, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

• I've warned several users on that page, but I'm going to give you one last warning, as well. Misplaced Pages has a policy of assuming good faith, and you have broken it more times than I count. Stop accusing users who disagree with you of being "Kurdish Nationalists" or other such names or you will be blocked without further warning. --InShaneee 21:02, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

• I'm going to warn you again about putting the 'dispute' tag on pages where you just want the title changed (namely the Kurdish sub-area articles), as it is highly innapropriate. As I've said before, if you want the title changed, list it on Misplaced Pages:Requested moves. The tag will do nothing to further this goal, nor will your ceaseless edit warring to keep it there. --InShaneee 03:55, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

• • I'll appreciate you not accusing me favoritism, and I'd also appreciate you not moving things around on my talk page. The situation with User:Diyako is being looked into, and his conduct does seem to be improving, but fine, I will warn him about his language use. --InShaneee 00:49, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Aucaman

No, he's not an admin. Try Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents, although I still think he's just trying to ease the situation. --Khoikhoi 02:52, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Although he's not an admin, he can still report you. That's what he's warning you about. The bold in his name is just part of his signature. It has nothing to do with being an admin.

About the dispute tag, if he believes there is something wrong about the article or section, he has every right to add it, as long as he says something about it on the talk page, which he has. I propose you try talking with him about what's disputed and attempt to come to a resolution.

The dispute tags can only be removed when there is no longer any problem with the article or section - in everyone's opinion.

Hope that answered your questions! --Khoikhoi 04:18, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Ok, fine. Revert back if you must. --Khoikhoi 20:58, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Persian people issue

Hey man, Thanks for beinging that problem to my attention. I'll try to contribute in resolving the issue. I think we should get a protected state for the page until this issue is resolved, then we can lift the state and fix it. --(Aytakin) | Talk 21:11, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Misrepresentation

Please stop misrepresenting me and the things I say. I've never said anything like "modern Persians are mix of Arabs and Mongols". That's not why I'm here. Aucaman 11:02, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

That's exatcly what you have been implying. --ManiF 12:23, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Iranian watchdog

Thank you, Mani, for your message on my talk page and for the interesting suggestion. It is a very good one, and I would certainly support it. I was thinking of something similar for the past few days, and I'm glad you brought it up. I suggest to contact also other editors who might be interested, based on the recent discussions it should not be hard to find a few. Thanks! Shervink 13:48, 27 February 2006 (UTC)shervink

SOUNDS COOL. I have seen the work of their editing and your idea of having a Iranian Watchdog is vergy good and I'll be happy to support it in any way that I can. --(Aytakin) | Talk 20:39, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Hi guys, I need your help for the article Babylon, Al Khwarizmi, Bebe_stores, God, knight, parthia, angel, satan, devil, cavalry, Iran, Persia, Persian People, Magi, demon, Al Biruni, Avicenna, monotheism, Sinbad the Sailor, One thousand and one nights, Summum bonum, and other , since many people are actively trying to misrepresent Iran. I have tried very hard to enhance the reader’s knowledge, as well as, to correct any undermining, or misrepresentation about Iran. I have written many essays clarifying Persia and Parthia are names erroneously used for ancient Iran, since it is shocking to see some represent Parthia as a country in SW Asia, and say that they were foreign ruler of Persia, while stating the second dynasty to Persia were the Sassanids. I have also tried to correct many mistakes, and even blatant attempts of some trying to represent Persian scientists as Arabs. Finally, armed with information from Jewishencyclopedia.com, and Christian Encyclopedias like Ccel.org/php/wwec.php, and Bible-history.com/isbe/Z/ZOROASTRIANISM, that state angelology, demonology, apocalyptical, and eschatological ideas first came from the Persian Empire who influenced the Jews, then later the Judeo-Christian units. These encyclopedias even admit the idea of monotheism being introduced to humanity by Zoroaster is still in debate--yet no one seems to even be willing to admit to such important discoveries, sometimes due to bigotry.

However, one person alone cannot do this--others must help, to show a consensus, and to avoid violating the 3rr rules. If you agree with any of the changes below, put that article in question on your watch list, and simply copy and paste the texts I edited in the article; of course many try to revert it, so go to the discussion board and submit refrences.

1. http://en.wikipedia.org/Bebe_stores

bebe stores is an American clothing retailer founded in 1976 by the Iranian born Manny Mashouf--who immigrated to the United States in the early 70s, and opened the first bebe store in San Francisco.

2. http://en.wikipedia.org/Babylon

Under the section `Babylon under Persia`

......During the time when Achaemenid Persia was the ........

3. http://en.wikipedia.org/God

Section `History of monotheism`

In the Ancient Orient, many cities had their own local god, though this henotheistic worship of a single god did not imply denial of the existence of other gods. The Hebrew Ark of the Covenant is supposed (by some scholars) to have adapted this practice to a nomadic lifestyle, paving their way for a singular God. Yet, many scholars now believe that it may have been the Zoroasterian religion of the Persian Empire that was the first monotheistic religion, and the Jews were influenced by such notions (this controversy is still in debate)

4. http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Knight#Knight_.28honorific.29

Section==Early heavy cavalry== The origin of heavily armoured cavalry (cataphractos) lies in Parthian and Sassanid Persia, and medieval chivalry absorbed many Persian traditions in the course of the Perso-Byzantine wars. For example, Ammianus Marcellinus, a Roman general and historian, who served in the army of Constantius II in Gaul and Persia, fought against the Persians under Julian the Apostate and took part in the retreat of his successor, Jovian. He describes the Persian knight as:

"All their companies clad in iron, and all parts of their bodies were covered with thick plates, so fitted that the stiff joints conformed with those of their limbs; and forms of the human faces were so skillfully fitted to their heads, that since their entire bodies were covered with metal, arrows that fell upon them could lodge only where they could see a little through tiny openings opposite the pupil of the eye, or where through the tips of their noses they were able to get a little breath." "The Persians opposed us serried bands of mail-clad horsemen in such close order that the gleam of moving bodies covered with closely fitting plates of iron dazzled the eyes of those who looked upon them, while the whole throng of horses was protected by coverings of leather. "

5. http://en.wikipedia.org/Cavalry

Section, Origins

Before the Iron Age, the role of cavalry on the battlefield was largely performed by light chariots. The power of mobility given by mounted units was recognized early on, but was offset by the difficulty of raising large forces and by the inability of horses (then mostly small) to carry heavy armor.

It is noteworthy to mention that heavy cavalry was first used by the Iranian Parthians, and more so by the Sasanids (both, but especially the latter, were famed for the cataphract, heavy cavalry armed with lances) . During the Roman-Persian wars, the Parthians swift mounted counter-attacks would prove too much for the Romans at first, who were the master of hand-to-hand combat. However, later the Romans would successfully adapt such heavy armor, and tactics .

6. http://en.wikipedia.org/Sinbad_the_Sailor

Sinbad the Sailor (also spelled "Sindbad", from Arabic ' Sin-di-bad, from Persian ' Sand-baad) is the name of a legendary story from Persia about an Arab sailor during the Abbasid Caliphate who has numerous fantastic adventures during his voyages throughout the seas east of Africa and south of Asia.

7. http://en.wikipedia.org/Satan

http://en.wikipedia.org/God Supreme Being was a concept that according to some scholars was likely first introduced to humanity as Ahura-Mazda, `The Ultimate Good` who is the Universal God of all mankind, by the Iranian or better known in Western literature as Persian prophet Zoroaster, whose monotheistic view of religion would later influence Judeo-Christian beliefs.

8. http://en.wikipedia.org/Angel

Introduction to Angel

An angel is an ethereal being found in many religions, whose duties are to assist and serve God or the gods. Most scholars now believe that humanity was first introduced to angelology as well as demonology, by the Iranian (Persian) prophet Zoroaster, through The Persian Empire, that would later influence Judeo-Christian beliefs .

9. http://en.wikipedia.org/Devil

Many scholars believe humanity was first introduced to angelology as well as The Devil and demonology, by the Iranian (Persian) prophet Zoroaster that would later single-handedly influence Judeo-Christian beliefs. This is discussed in more detail below.

10. http://en.wikipedia.org/One_thousand_and_one_nights

Section, History

During the reign of the Arab Abbasid Caliph Harun al-Rashid in the 8th century, Baghdad had become an important cosmopolitan city. Merchants from Persia (Iran), China, India, Africa, and Europe were all found in Baghdad. It was during this time that many of the stories, which were originally folk stories, are thought to have been collected orally over many years and later then compiled into a single book.

The nucleus of the stories is formed by an old Persian book called Hazâr Afsâna ('Thousand Myths', Persian: ??????????). The later compiler and translator into Arabic is reputedly storyteller Abu abd-Allah Muhammed el-Gahshigar in the 9th century. The frame story of Shahrazad seems to have been added in the 14th century. The first modern Arabic compilation, made out of Egyptian writings, was published in Cairo in 1835. 11. http://en.wikipedia.org/Al_Khwarizmi

Make sure no one changes Al Khwarizmi’s birthplace from Persia to Arabia

12. http://en.wikipedia.org/Al_Biruni

Make sure no one changes Al-Biruni`s birthplace from Persia to Arabia.

13. http://en.wikipedia.org/Avicenna

Make sure no one changes Avicenna’s birthplace from Persia to Arabia.

14. http://en.wikipedia.org/Summum_bonum

Summum bonum (greatest or supreme good) was a concept first introduced to humanity as Ahura-Mazda, `The Ultimate Good` who is the Universal God of all mankind, by the Iranian or better known in Western literature as Persian prophet Zoroaster, whose monotheistic view of religion would later heavily influence Judeo-Christian beliefs, and change the course of humanity. In Western literature, it is a neoplatonic concept attributed to the Christian God by Saint Augustine in de natura boni (399), in direct opposition to his earlier Manichaean (a religion by another Persian prophet, Mani) convictions. Augustine denies the positive existence of absolute evil, describing a world with God as the supreme good at the center, and defining different grades of evil as different stages of remoteness from that center.

Make you go to these Misplaced Pages articles and put them on your watch list. Try to invite others who agree with these edits, and get them involved, be active, be persistence; however, most of all, be factual and be respectful.

Thanks Zmmz 22:56, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, I got your message, but it had to be erased from my talk page, since I don`t want those biased people who see my page find out which articles I am working on.Zmmz 23:02, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Watchdog

It's a good idea, but I wouldnt know what exactly could we do. We have no Iranian admins, funny as it sounds, to protect our pages from such vandalisms. (we had some admins, but they have long gone and dont edit anymore).--Zereshk 01:17, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

I like the idea of a watchdog. we Definitely need to do something. these people are out of control thay are tyring to destroy everything that is Iranian or persian.

Gol 06:54, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Sounds good but I am way too busy right now to set this up. Perhaps we should nominate Zereshk to be an admin, and we can all vote for him. --Kash 10:09, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Mani, I think it is a good idea. Keep an eye on the Al Khwarizmi, Al Biruni, and Persian People articles. I don`t want to break the 3rr rule today.Zmmz 21:23, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

If erased, copy and paste below in the Persian People article in its intro. please,

The Persians of Iran are an ethnic group identified by a sense of sharing a common Iranian (Persian culture) and having a Persian: a branch of Indo-European languages.

The ancient Persians from the province of Pars became the rulers of a large empire under the Achaemenid dynasty in the sixth century BC, reuniting the tribes and other provinces in the ancient Iranian Plateau and forming the country, Iran (Persian: land of Aryans). Over the centuries Persia was ruled by various dynasties; some of them were native Iranian Achaemenids, Parthians (Persian: Ashkanian), Sassanids, Buwayhids and Samanids), and some of them were not (the Seleucids, Seljuk Turks, Afsharids and Qajars). It is important to note that the founding dynasty of the empire [the Achaemenids, and later the Sassanids were from the southern provinces of Pars, from which in Western literature the word Persia is derived to used to distinguish between ancient and moder Iran. However, according to archeological evidence found in moder day Iran in the form of Cuneiforms that goes back to the Achaemenid era, it is evident that the country had been Iran from its birth.

The Persian civilization spawned four major religions: Zoroastrianism, Mithraism, Manichaeanism, and the Baha’i Faith. Other religions such as Mazdakism, and Manichaeism also arose from ancient Iran, with the former having been dubbed the first communistic ideology, and the latter heavily influencing Saint Augustine; hence, indirectly influencing Christianity: Both religions were sub-branches of Zoroastrianism. Today many scholars while still debating on which religion first introduced monotheism; Zoroastrianism, or Judaism, they, however, have conceded that it was the religion of Zoroastrianismthat for the first time introduced angelology, demonology, apocalyptical doctrines, as well as, some eschatological notions to humanity. Such ideas would later be passed on to the Babylonian Jews via the Persian Empire. All of these reflect the extreme dualism of Persian culture which has also significantly influenced Judeo-Christianity and Western civilization. In addition, Persian civilization has affected its neighbors through culture, religion, and language. User:Zmmz|Zmmz]] 21:23, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Copy and paste this under article Angel. It is being reverted even though my source is preeminent. Also, the articles Al Khwarizmi and Al Biruni are being unfairly edit to use ``Arabian`` origins.

Introduction to Angel

An angel is an ethereal being found in many religions, whose duties are to assist and serve God or the gods. Most scholars now believe that humanity was first introduced to angelology as well as demonology, by the Iranian (Persian) prophet Zoroaster, through The Persian Empire, that would later influence Judeo-Christian beliefs.Zmmz 22:12, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

preventive warning

Your recent editing history shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war; read about how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you do not violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly.

I'm warning both you, User:Jidan, User:MB, and User:Zmmz. I'm not going pick sides here as there is some truth in everbodies arguments. However your collective actions are damaging the articles. If you truly are intresting in writing a good and objective on al-Khwarizmi you will stop editing and take your differences to talk page and discuss things civily. And please thouroughly read through WP:V, WP:NPOV, WP:NOR and stop all the speculations and citing of websites and other encyclopedias. And please do go out to the library and find some books on him and see what the historians have to say on this matter. Cheers, —Ruud 23:12, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Re: Vandal report

It appears there are already enough cooks in this kitchen - let me know if there's anything I can help you with specifically, but I'm not about to start digging through this conflict. I do not find that either side is engaging in simple vandalism, and that's where my involvement will end. (ESkog) 03:53, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Happy Misplaced Pages's 1 MILLIONTH!!

Happy Misplaced Pages's 1 MILLIONTH!! --(Aytakin) | Talk 23:13, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Question

Hey ManiF,

Just curious, but are you the same person as 220.92.206.12? I'll try to look Talk:Persians to see how we can work this big problem out. --Khoikhoi 00:44, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. See the new section that I started at Talk:Persians. --Khoikhoi 01:59, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Persian people

Yet more attacks..--Kash 00:45, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Wikiproject Iran

Please keep an eye on ths Open Tasks template, and make use of it. deeptrivia (talk) 03:31, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Articles to watch for non-NPOV edits:

• Battle of Chaldiran
• Nuclear program of Iran
• Iran and weapons of mass destruction
• Azarbaijan
• Azerbaijan
• Azerbaijani people
• History of Azerbaijan
• Origin of the Azerbaijanis
• Ossetia / Northern Ossetia / South Ossetia
• Abu Musa
• Greater and Lesser Tunbs
• Persian Gulf
• Arab states of the Persian Gulf
• Iran-Iraq War
• Ahvaz
• Khorramshahr
• Category:Iranian_Plateau
• History of Iran
• Iranian Plateau
• Khomeini
• Category:Divided_regions
• Mutaween
• Opposition to military action against Iran
• Timeline of Iranian revolution

Source you might want to see

I just found a brief article from the 11th edition of the Encyclopædia Britannica: . --Khoikhoi 04:59, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I noticed. I just replied to Alex on the talk page. He's an admin who I hope can help out. --Khoikhoi 05:22, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

If you feel like leaving a comment on http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Aucaman, then please do so, it would be appreciated.Zmmz 07:47, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Please take a look

Kurd nationalists..

Award

		The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
		A well deserved award for all your efforts against vandalisms and sleepless nights to make sure Iranian articles are accurate. Thank you! --Kash 12:19, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Hey Mani! Thanks for the barnstar! I'd give you one but it looks like Kash already gave you one. I'll just add it to your user page for ya. Thanks again. --Khoikhoi 01:32, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Personal attacks

Please refrain from making personal attacks against other users (ie, "POV pusher"). If you have a dispute, there are places to resolve them in a civilized manner. --InShaneee 00:34, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

• And as for me, I don't have any sort of agenda here. I'm just trying to resolve this in a way that conforms to wiki policy. I'll ask you again not to make personal attacks, as they are against wikipedia policy, and you will be blocked if you cannot discuss things in a reasonable tone. --InShaneee 00:36, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
  • As with your friend, I invite you to read Nation. As I understand it, the article describes these people under that definition, and if that's not clear, it should be rewritten to clarify. --InShaneee 00:44, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
    • Calling someone a "POV pusher" IS a personal attack. My only POV here is that a lot of people have strong feelings on this topic and need to ensure they are staying neutral. And it's not a threat that you will be blocked if you continue to make unfounded accusations, it is a fact. --InShaneee 00:49, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
      • As I tried to point out to you, a 'nation', by definition, does NOT have a legally defined definition. --InShaneee 01:03, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
        • Actually, a Google search currently returns 611 results (triple digits), and if you sift through them, they are far more diverse than simply a few individuals, including some very large political websites. The simple fact that there are so many results points to the fact that the term wasn't pulled out of thin air. And if people are using the term, it belongs on wikipedia. --InShaneee 01:17, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
          • I don't believe so (see Franco-Columbian for an example), but if you believe a different title would be appropriate, feel free to propose it on the proper page. --InShaneee 01:19, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
            • 1., If you dispute the content, you must state EXPLICITLY what content you have a problem with. You simply discount the entire article, and you do not seem to understand that it is about a nation, still. 2., I'm not the person you need to convince that the title should be changed, that's not my job. 3., I hardly believe you just read and researched all 611 google hits before making that statement. --InShaneee 01:29, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
              • Actually, I don't need to prove anything, and you need to stop being argumentative. The page already exists. If you want the title changed, the 'burden of proof' is on you to state the case why. And not to me, either, but to the community, and through the proper channels. --InShaneee 01:37, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
                • I never said don't argue your case, I just said not to be so antagonistic when you go about it. You cannot just make accusations at people who don't agree with you. --InShaneee 02:23, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

I'm not perfect, I don't notice everything, and this is beside the point. The activities of that user are being looked into, and they do not excuse your actions then, or ever. --InShaneee 02:44, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

No one's watching the Aryans page!!

We have all been spending all of our time on the Persian people page that No one's watching the Aryans page!! On the Persian people page everyone has been trying to stop User:Heja_helweda and User:Aucaman saying it is racist to use the term "Aryan" on the page that everyone forgot about the Aryans page. I was looking at the history of that page and I saw that User:Heja_helweda has made some changes. If you have some time please check out what has changed and try to fix any bad mistakes similar to the Persian Peoples page that they might have made. Thanks --(Aytakin) | Talk 02:19, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Be khoda khasteh shodam

I salute your efforts in taking up this task to defend the Iranian pages from content vandalism.

I've been on Misplaced Pages since 2004. During this time, a massive portion of my time has been spent on protecting the Persian/Iranian pages from attacks by the likes of Heja, Diyako, Zora, and other Iran antagonists.

I'm frankly sick and fed up with their efforts. And all this time we either had no Iranian admins, or if we did, they left (like User:Refdoc), or were not willing to get involved in these issues (like User:Roozbeh who chose to stay silent when the Khuzestan articles were attacked by the pan-Arabist Zora).

I'm fuckin tired of those spineless editors. I am proud that I expanded the Iranian articles from close to nothing to what it is today. But it seems that Misplaced Pages, as SouthernComfort will tell you, has turned into a magnet for twisted editors that wish to propagate an agenda against Iran. It has become a platform for political purposes.

It is either attacked by the Shahis, or censored by the Hezbollahis, and now we have the ethnic posse.

I just cant take this shit anymore.

If the Iranians give any shit about their image and how it is falsely portrayed and stereotyped, they should make an effort to get involved and protect their naumoos and identity. I know at least 50 editors active on WP who are Iranian. But what happens each time I call out to them for help when an Iranian page comes under attack (including the messages I leave on the Farsi WP)? I'm left all alone with the burden to confront the problem, while they watch. (with the exception of SouthernComfort, who was the only editor to have effectively helped out).

I have a professional life which I have been sacrificing just so that the name Iriana will not become lakkeh-daar by these anti-Iranian bigots, for furture generations. Maybe future generations (reading what we leave for them) will perhaps rise up to the challenge and change Iran into the proud (eftekhar ameez), powerful (moqtader), free (Azad), and prosperous/progressive (pishrafteh) nation it deserves to be; A task my generation and the one before it failed to do. While our parents made the mistake of being fooled by the revolution, our generation chose to flee the suffocating atmosphere of religious-infested Iran for greener pastures outside Iran, instead of confronting it.

At least I spent two years trying to stop those internet anti-Iranian fuckers from tarnishing the integrity of Iran. At least I didnt go around changing my name from Ali to Alex, telling everyone I'm Italian.

Now it's up to you guys. I've suffered enough.--Zereshk 22:28, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

I totally understand. Mani, see Talk:Arabs of Khuzestan for an example of what we have been dealing with for the past year. It is very direct and clear harassment intended to drive us away from WP. But when other editors do not help, such a person can get away with this crap. SouthernComfort 14:58, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi Pasha

A lot of Turkish-related articles' copyright, such as Politics of Turkey, Culture of Turkey and Communications in Turkey, are being challenged by a certain user. You may want to look into this, the articles could be deleted. --ManiF 17:59, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Sorted the mess, several sections were coppied (either from wikipeida or to wikipedia). ON one occasion (communications of turkey) the data was from cia world factbook, a PD source. This guy is getting on my nerves, I will sort him out soon. --Cool Cat 19:37, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

He's been reported here, you can add your comments if you wish. --ManiF 22:16, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

ANB cant do anything about it. I am collecting evidence at User:Cool Cat/RfC March 2006, feel free to assist. --Cool Cat 00:41, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

MSN

I never really use MSN anyways, only to talk to my friends in Israel because they don't have AIM. I can get on it tonight if you want though. --Khoikhoi 00:29, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Iranica

Hi, I just wanted to inform you that Iranica uses the term Turkish Kurdistan. (Although Kurds themselves use another term for this region).Diyako Talk + 23:38, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Parsi genetic study

Have you read it? My browser won't let me access it, due to some problems with cookies or whatever. If you're able to access it, could you provide a brief summary as to what it says? SouthernComfort 04:51, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Your last revert at al-Khwarizmi

If you want to continue this revert war, please jsut change Muslim to Persian or whatever, but please don't remove the footnotes which contain the information people actually care about. Cheers, —Ruud 16:26, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

On his persian name. The problem is that the current name only says Musa Khwarizmi (as far as I can tell) so that needs to mentioned as well, otherwise people might naivly expect it to say the same as his tranliterated arabic name. This means it gets too large to mention on a single line. —Ruud 16:34, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

What do you think of my second proposal? Zmmz doesn't object to it and I may be able to convince Jidan to accept it so we can fianlly stop this lame edit war and get on with writing about al-K's reat accomplishments. —Ruud 16:39, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

I've updates my proposal to include his (full) persian name from the Farsi Misplaced Pages. —Ruud 17:06, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

your Parsi RV

I think you had better check what your revert overwrote . -- 89.50.229.192 17:09, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Another question

Hi, are you the same user Mani from the persian Misplaced Pages? Qoqnous 19:36, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Please help!

Dear ManiF, We initiated two pages: Science in Iran and Intellectual Movements in Iran. The articles need some cleanups. There are at least two issues in which your helps are needed: History of science in Persia and Modern literary movement in Iran. Would you please glance through these two articles? I know that you are busy and tired. Still..., please help me on these two articles. Thanks in advance. --Joe Dynue20:35, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Al-Khwarizimi

Dear ManiF, your current version of the article is a declation of edit war. PLEASE understand that. His name might sound arabic, but al-khwarizmi sounds persian. I will not revert it back, because its simply not worth my time, but someone else will!! Jidan 15:58, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Why don't you just add in the beginning persian orgin, why do u have to revert and delete the work of many hours? Jidan 16:45, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Ok. Have fun! Jidan 17:18, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Safavids

Thanks for your contribution. Unfortunatly, that article is under constant attack by Turkish nationalists who reject all kinds of sources that do not support their views. Tajik 16:22, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Parsi AGAIN

ManiF, I really don't get it. In this note on your talk page it was already pointed out that you reverted something which you did not read, and then you did it again! Did you not see that your point was included, as was also an opposing point? Both with citations?

Please read the edit. Both points of view are cited.

I'm absolutely stunned. -- Fullstop 14:19, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

I really don't get it.

Whats the difference between

• Parsis are decendents of Aryan settlers who settled in the Iranian plateau known as Indo-Iranians (your words)

and

• Parsis are decended from Proto-Indo-Iranian societies which precede both Vedic and Iranian cultures (my words)

I really don't understand the point you are trying to make. Were the "Aryan settlers" not Proto-Indo-Iranians? Did Proto-Indo-Iranians not precede both Vedic and Iranian cultures?

I really, really don't understand. -- Fullstop 14:46, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Dariush edits

Hi ManiF! I hope you could read the messages i left for Dariush on his talk page. The guys were of Persian origins. That is not a reason to remove other encyclopaedic info like their beliefs' background and their Arabic names (most of their bios were written in Arabic). They are simply Muslims of Persian origins. Cheers -- Szvest 19:26, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Regarding your POV edits to Ibn Khaldun's article

He says himself in his autobiography that he's in fact an Arab, you said "stop deleting cited information"? Please follow your own advice. MB 21:02, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Richard Frye

If you thought that the sections of quotes (which include argumentation) should be kept, you could have restored those. Instead, you reverted the whole article, completely wiping out the work that I did in putting his bibliography into a standard format, removing duplications, and sorting it by date. That is vandalism, Mani, destroying work that anyone would agree is useful out of pique. I reverted again. If you want to restore the quotes, do, and then we'll argue about those. Don't wipe out everything else. Zora 21:25, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Um, I'm not sure why you e-mailed me about this instead of posting on my talk page. In any case, this seems to me to be a clear situation--a brief section of quotations would be fine, but clearly a statement like this is simply not about Richard Frye and doesn't really belong in an article about him: "Arab chauvinists from Gamal Abdel Nasser to today's Osama Bin Laden have chosen to pretend that the Persian intellectual legacy does not exist. Osama Bin Laden is in fact the latest product of such pan-Arabism." I've made a compromise version. Feel free to edit it. Chick Bowen 23:45, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Abu Nasr Mansur and more

Hi, while MB's edits to Abu Nasr Mansur officially aren't vandalism, they come quite close to it. You might want to consider starting an WP:RFC against him. On User:Dariush4444, while claiming on certain biographies that the person is Persian (whicn in one case he was right and in others, I haven't checked) he also removed other true information such as arabic names, which is vandalism. Regarding reverting your edits to Geber. You really need to thouroughly read WP:V, WP:CITE and WP:RS. The website your provided isn't a reliable source and encyclopedia britannica says he waws arab, so if you want to change it to persian you will have to a bit more effort. This would probably include a trip to the library to find some books writting by professor such and such which clearly states he wa persian or find a very reliable source like SouthernComfort did with al-Khwarizmi. Cheers, —Ruud 21:42, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

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