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TeX, etc.

Hello. Please notice my recent edits to isoline retrieval. TeX is fairly sophisticated. You shouldn't write

\underset{j}{\max} P

which comes out looking like this:

max j P {\displaystyle {\underset {j}{\max }}P\,}

when you can just write \max_j P, which looks like this:

max j P {\displaystyle \max _{j}P\,}

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Also, one shouldn't italicize digits, parentheses, etc. in expressions like p0. See WP:MOSMATH. This matches TeX style. Michael Hardy (talk) 02:53, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

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\lim_{\epsilon\to 0}

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lim ϵ 0 {\displaystyle \lim _{\epsilon \to 0}\,}

This also results in proper spacing between this expression and the ones before and after it. Michael Hardy (talk) 03:02, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Peteymills/collocation (remote sensing)

Hi,

It looks like you were trying to create a user page when you created the above page, I have moved it to User:Peteymills/collocation (remote sensing) for you. Codf1977 (talk) 14:25, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

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Chaotic mixing

Dear Peter Mills,

I'm a physicist working on fluid mixing. With a team of graduate students to whom I teach fluid mixing, I'm planning to complement next week (on February 3rd 2012) the page that you started about chaotic mixing. We would be very pleased if you had the time to review our changes after we work on the page. EmmanuelleGouillart (talk) 17:08, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

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Ways to improve Forecast verification

Hi, I'm Sfan00 IMG. Peteymills, thanks for creating Forecast verification!

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Proposed deletion of Sea ice emissivity modelling

The article Sea ice emissivity modelling has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Self published (COI), to much synopsis.

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Here is my response:
When I write an article in my field that strongly references my own work it is unambiguously a conflict of interest. However, it is my belief that in scientific fields, this should be tolerated and I will present several arguments.
The goal of science is to discern objective facts. Thus, the neutral point of view is built in right from the beginning. How much this is achievable in practice is debatable: few philosophers believe that true objectivity is possible. My job as a scientist is not only to advance the state-of-the-art, but to improve existing work, thus in writing an article it would make sense to reference my own work: should I not have confidence in my own abilities, that I have done a good job? Or, who would be more qualified to write about these topics than someone who specializes in the field and who has worked in the field for many years?
Indeed, when I first started working on sea ice remote sensing, it was apparent that there were many issues in emissivity modelling and my first task was to clarify them. The Misplaced Pages article, "Sea ice emissivity modelling," represents a large portion of that work. There is little of my own original thought in it although it references two of my own papers. Rather it unifies and summarizes much of what came before. The figure which you have removed comes from one of my (peer-reviewed) papers and accurately diagrams the majority of microwave sea ice emissivity models used up to this point.
Which brings me to my second point: the second part of my job as a scientist is to disseminate my findings and knowledge amongst the general public. I can't think of a better platform for doing this than Misplaced Pages. Perhaps it is arrogance, but I consider this a vital public service. There is a great deal of interest in issues like climate change of which sea ice is a valuable marker. It is important that even ordinary people can learn how the science is actully done: articles like this, by dealing with the more "nitty gritty," as opposed to the lighter surface treatment, which to my eye looks more like spin, make climate science more accessible.
I am not hiding anything. Anybody who cares to check will find that, yes, the same author who wrote this article and many others has also referenced a lot of his own work. And I won't lie either: Misplaced Pages is an important tool for promoting my work. Unfortunately, the harsh reality of science today is that you cannot survive without promoting your work. The h-index is a common measure of a scientist's output. It is also unambiguously a measure of popularity, much as you might find on a social media or dating site.
So in this case, it's hard to argue conflict-of-interest. In science, promotion and dissemination go hand-in-hand and disseminating your work is one of the twin responsibilities of a scientist. The question is not whether I am referencing my own work, but whether that work is relevant and of high-quality to begin with.
Peteymills (talk) 00:32, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
There are many issues with the page content (poor referencing, out of date data, or to much synopsis). however without going into more detail, please read WP:ORIGINAL and WP:CONFLICT prokaryotes (talk) 01:00, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
The article has many references and generous inline citations. I'm not sure what you mean by "too much synopsis." Isn't synopsis the whole point of an Encyclopedia? I'm also not sure what you mean by out of date data: most of the article deals with physical principles and their application to physical models, not data. I have read the guidelines for original content and conflict-of-interest since it was just as relevant when I first started adding content. I do not believe the article crosses any of these boundaries. Peteymills (talk) 02:02, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
The correct place for the entire context is here. Related. prokaryotes (talk) 03:37, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
That's not correct. Microwave radiometry can detect more than just ice concentration. As we speak, new algorithms are being developed to retrieve sea ice thickness from microwave radiometry (e.g. Huntemann, M. , Heygster, G. , Kaleschke, L. , Krumpen, T. , Mäkynen, M. and Drusch, M. (2014): Empirical sea ice thickness retrieval during the freeze up period from SMOS high incident angle observations , The Cryosphere, 8 (2), pp. 439-451). It can also be used to detect snow thickness and other variables.

(talk page stalker) Gawd I so wish people - like climate denialists - would READ their RSs before they cite them; I suspect Prokaryotes‎ (talk · contribs) can relate to that feeling. On the other hand, I wish people would READ their wikipedia rules before they cite them. Taken straight from WP:COI (the pinpoint shortcut is WP:EXTERNALREL) " But subject-matter experts are welcome to contribute to articles in their areas of expertise, while being careful to make sure that their external relationships in that field do not interfere with their primary role on Misplaced Pages." See also Misplaced Pages:Relationships with academic editors.

Meanwhile, a belated welcome to Misplaced Pages, Petey. I see from your list of contribs that you've been around awhile, but I couldn't tell if you have been through procedural wringers yet. You are always welcome to stop by my talk page if you're looking for wikipedia advice. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 08:38, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

If this is serious science, then we should keep it. However, we shouldn't past all kinds of formulas and snippets containing details in various articles. (here, or here (to much synopsis) or here) Focus on one article and then link to it and use on other articles just a brief outline of this postulated method. So we need one article with the formulas and a broad outline and then link from the related pages to it. Further is the Sea ice emissivity modelling section "Radiative transfer modelling", only referenced by a paper located on a private webspace, and appears to be from 2011. 1.) How relevant are these calculations for today's state of science? 2.) Update Ref to the Cryosphere journal, and or other peer-reviewed journal publications. It would be nice to have microwave imaginary or some infrared showing the sea ice emissivity. Related, Google Scholar (since 2013). Thus, the article should draw from other studies too, use latest studies and reference them probably. prokaryotes (talk) 11:05, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
I don't plan on doing any editing at the article, personally. For one thing, I would need to read several of the cited RSs and then read some others on topic (even though they weren't cited) before I felt competent to render an opinion about it being "serious science". Further critique belongs either at AFD or the article talk page, P. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 12:28, 22 April 2014 (UTC)